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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2016.02.07 19:53:33 -
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After all those crazy delays of requirements that are never communicated appropriately to materialize,
I got 2 offers from cell phone carriers for internet services.
One , the first , is 25 mbps , on a wireless stick (would run on a laptop, with the proper external video card adapter, for around $120 for the stick and more for the adapter) , at $35 per month.
I'm already with them, so it may only be a matter of paying them.
However, this is designed to run on tablet, and is not high-speed internet.
Second, the other, is 40 mbps, and comes with a free tablet ($7 per month to run the tablet, with 1+GB of RAM), at $15 per month for 1 GB, $25 for 3 GB and $35 for 5 GB or 7 GB.
I know nothing of either systems latency (or ping rate, whether 5ms, 25ms or 40ms or 100ms),
and their consistency is worst than cable , since it runs wireless from a satellite system with nodes around town...
Either way, the price is so low that I could test both and I will test the one with the free LG GPad with Android (no keyboard though).
It apparently runs the internet via USB connection from the tablet to a USB port connector on the Desktop PC instead of connecting with the Ethernet port.
Alternately, it can also (theoretically , not tested yet, no matter how high the certainty ratio is or would be) connect on the internet via wireless system (given the desktop would have a wireless modem device connection, which it doesn't at this time).
This would work on a laptop with a wireless modem. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14016
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Posted - 2016.02.07 19:58:37 -
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Hi Buzz ... what?
Better the Devil you know.
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Mag's
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
21250
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:09:44 -
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Buzz Whatnow.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Daemun Khanid
Apollo Defence Industries
292
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:15:33 -
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If you plan on playing eve on either I look forward to future posts complaining of socket closures. 
Daemun of Khanid
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:27:54 -
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Daemun Khanid wrote:If you plan on playing eve on either I look forward to future posts complaining of socket closures.
Do you mean the stability and latency are too bad?
Edit:
I'm looking for EVE Online boxed package, like the Second Decade Boxed set at $150 - $200 on Amazon. |
xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
768
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Posted - 2016.02.07 21:29:41 -
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This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. |
Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
201
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Posted - 2016.02.07 21:47:01 -
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xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs.
Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet? |
xttz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
769
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Posted - 2016.02.07 21:49:11 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet?
I got reaaaaaally high |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2016.02.07 21:58:30 -
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It doesn't matter, whether the plan is designed for a tablet or a laptop or any other device. If it's a satellite connection (not 100% clear on that), it will be shite for playing anything, due to the crazy latency.
If it's a mobile (phone) connection, you may be able to play somewhat, but you should be prepared for connection losses and lag. |
Ildryn
Idle Exile
167
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Posted - 2016.02.07 22:10:15 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet?
It's the top of his head.
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
204
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Posted - 2016.02.07 22:22:44 -
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Ildryn wrote:It's the top of his head.
Confirming: This poster has missed the, admittedly thin, joke. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
14020
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Posted - 2016.02.07 22:23:57 -
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Ildryn wrote:Poddington Bare wrote:xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet? It's the top of his head.
whoosh
Better the Devil you know.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
2864
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Posted - 2016.02.07 22:28:47 -
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Ildryn wrote:Poddington Bare wrote:xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet? It's the top of his head.
..and straight over yours.
My lord.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
44432
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Posted - 2016.02.07 22:46:28 -
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xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs.
Pheewww.
I thought maybe I was on drugs and not able to read it right.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kiddoomer
Deep Space Exploitation
Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades
92
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Posted - 2016.02.08 01:07:30 -
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Best thing would be to try, do your providers have a delay of retractation ?
I'm trying that too, I live in a city so the signal (4G or LTE its called) is good enough to stay stable, and the speed even with up and down is always faster than the cable one that i had until now.
The mobile modem I got is horrible for a desktop pc though, there's no router in this pocket modem and it provides its internet only via wifi, that means I need two wireless signal from my computer to the internet, so the ping is a little higher but nothing preventing to play EVE.
A survey scanner tweak and new mining methods: interactive mining
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Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence
ChaosTheory.
69
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Posted - 2016.02.08 02:05:52 -
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Speed doesnt really matter when playing Eve. Eve uses very little bandwidth. What matters is latency and satellites have the worse latency of any internet service. You would be better on dial up than satellite.
Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
107
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Posted - 2016.02.08 04:16:48 -
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Confirmed: You can actually lose IQ points by reading a thread in a forum on the internet.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2016.02.08 05:57:17 -
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Yes, well, there are a few changes, one being that , I now have 3 offers for internet and no longer 2.
The other change is that, one offer I had to run on a tablet required another credit than I had ,
or would have only been valid when I got my new credit.
I find it rather discriminating since they are offering free tablet, but it makes no sense.
However, that is a 3rd connection possible at $260 total ($100 deposit back after 3 months, plus a $160 tablet, worth $240, as if...)
Second, I got a $15 offer for a $50 phone connection type of modem running on a network of type:
HSPA + 3.5g
or something like that.
It only has 1.5 mbps to 15 mbps.
Their download capacity per month is unlimited and there is no cap for the speed once a certain level is reached.
I think I may take the offer for the 25 mbps which i will verify comparison with the other network info about before paying.
However, I already deal with that company, even if I have to go a little bit further to get a $50 wireless modem stick.
I think they charge $35 per month for 10 GB of data download per month.
I think it's throttled over 10 GB, or I don't know what else is offered.
I hope to get the internet running tonight. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
1090
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Posted - 2016.02.08 07:36:28 -
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EVE doesn't need a high bandwidth connection and it's pretty tolerant of high latency. What it does need, though, is a reliable connection. |
Oracle of Machina
No Refunds.
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
27
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Posted - 2016.02.08 08:57:17 -
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Seriously, stop considering phone and sattlite as serious providers of internet. They aren't made for online gaming, but are great if you want to check your e-mail. Phone providers usually have tons of hidden crap in their clauses, and tend to lure you in with something cheap and shiny to get you to sign.
56k modem would almost be better.
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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
530
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Posted - 2016.02.08 10:17:01 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:xttz wrote:This is your posting...
and this is your posting on drugs. Speaking about being on drugs, how did you manage to get your avatar photo to be of a planet?
It's planet Urhead as opposed to planet Uranus. The latter cannot be depictured, because it's not part of the EvE lore.
Don't anger the forum gods.
ISD Buldath:
> I Saw, I came, I Frowned, I locked, I posted, and I left.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2016.02.08 10:24:36 -
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Would like to stress what others have said about satellite internet. This involves bouncing a signal off a satellite and back to earth when data is sent either to or from your computer. These satellites are like 35,000km above us so the total distance your signal goes in one "ping" is 140,000km; using some simple maths you can see the minimum ping over these systems is 140,000 km / 300,000 km/s (speed of light) = ~0.5s for your signal to travel to a server and back. In other words unusable for online gaming where response times are important.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Max Fubarticus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2016.02.08 10:59:54 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:EVE doesn't need a high bandwidth connection and it's pretty tolerant of high latency. What it does need, though, is a reliable connection.
But it does require a minimum IQ 65 to log on ( 75 to actually undock ). I barely made it at IQ 70 
The down side is: I am stuck here on the forums reading and writing and can't undock 
lol
Max
Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never.
Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
6921
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Posted - 2016.02.08 13:34:36 -
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Thread has been moved to Out of Pod Experience.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2016.02.08 21:14:40 -
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Oracle of Machina wrote:Seriously, stop considering phone and sattlite as serious providers of internet. They aren't made for online gaming, but are great if you want to check your e-mail. Phone providers usually have tons of hidden crap in their clauses, and tend to lure you in with something cheap and shiny to get you to sign.
56k modem would almost be better.
You can't run 56k modem except on a landline and a BBS.
As for your mention to seriously stop considering phone and sattlite as serious providers of internet.
You omit blatantly that other providers refuse to give me the service for over a year sending in an endless loop they can't even see the end of due to military intelligence, and neither do you see the end of it for the matter.
#2.
Another connections costs me around $400 + the service costs, install costs, and other requirements. And there are many other requirements, which , obviously, I do not have, and are intended to be like that, for that exact purpose.
#3.
Even the very mention that you start in that exact intimidating tone is a 3rd and additional proof of the fact.
I got my connection now, it will work and EVE will work.
The offer with the 25mbps also turned out to be a dud since it was about a discontinued device.
I was told a store would have it in 2 days, but it is not worth the try to find out.
I was given an advance to get the service I have and it is unlimited.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2016.02.08 21:30:56 -
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Max Fubarticus wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:EVE doesn't need a high bandwidth connection and it's pretty tolerant of high latency. What it does need, though, is a reliable connection. But it does require a minimum IQ 65 to log on ( 75 to actually undock ). I barely made it at IQ 70 The down side is: I am stuck here on the forums reading and writing and can't undock lol Max
2 or 3 of my friends IQ were at 180 .
One wouldn't say but it'd hover at over 210, 216.
Even at 200 it isn't all that fun.
A few people get to over 220, and some dead terrorist at 256 (max). |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2016.02.08 21:34:41 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Would like to stress what others have said about satellite internet. This involves bouncing a signal off a satellite and back to earth when data is sent either to or from your computer. These satellites are like 35,000km above us so the total distance your signal goes in one "ping" is 140,000km; using some simple maths you can see the minimum ping over these systems is 140,000 km / 300,000 km/s (speed of light) = ~0.5s for your signal to travel to a server and back. In other words unusable for online gaming where response times are important.
Satellite dish, as in a micro-wave signal running without connecting wires to conduct the signals.
You could stick 35 of those on a roof of a buidling and add a tiny small drop of sweat. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1042
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Posted - 2016.02.09 09:37:01 -
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Use mobile 4g if you have that signal at home or where you plan to use if it is for home test it must be OK best way to test it is to fire up something like league of Legends and try to kill some ppl if it runs smooth you are set.
Eve can tolerate worst latency that lol or shooters dont test with EVE.
Make sure to ask for an limit on data sharing ie using phone as hotpot or USB tether for example my plan provide unlimited data for 2 users but have 7gb hot spot limit per user. For eve that is 6.5gb more than I need but that depends do you plan to use that data to more than phone use.
Also is most mobile of three
My plan cost 50 buck per user and I have tendency to pull around 40 gigs per month so that 35$ for lol 5gb is anything but cheap.
Typhoon Fleet Issue SOE skin for the win.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2016.02.09 09:50:26 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Use mobile 4g if you have that signal at home or where you plan to use if it is for home test it must be OK best way to test it is to fire up something like league of Legends and try to kill some ppl if it runs smooth you are set.
Eve can tolerate worst latency that lol or shooters dont test with EVE.
Make sure to ask for an limit on data sharing ie using phone as hotpot or USB tether for example my plan provide unlimited data for 2 users but have 7gb hot spot limit per user. For eve that is 6.5gb more than I need but that depends do you plan to use that data to more than phone use.
Also is most mobile of three
My plan cost 50 buck per user and I have tendency to pull around 40 gigs per month so that 35$ for lol 5gb is anything but cheap.
hmm, no.
The system worked 10 times to 20 times worst in evening times.
It still worked.
2nd finding was, the IP was attacked day 1.
I don't need a counter-intelligence license to figure out how.
It worked better at certain times.
I have no limits as to how many connections I can get.
I can get better than that.
edit:
The services I referred to are Internet services, not phone internet services.
They are not designed for phone use.
Also, the one I have may not function on Android.
But that is also besides the point.
There is no limit on mine and there is no proof of yours.
Other services have more limits than this one.
However, the hardware is loaded to run showing those limits.
There are reasons why it is like that, and some of the reasons are business reasons. |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2016.02.13 20:01:24 -
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So, with the first connection's device discontinued 2 days after start with no device refund (I only get a partial refund for the paid time), I have to get a new one.
My second connection will cost me $170 (with tax included in that cost) , and will run at $35 per month, although it has a 10 GB limit.
The EVE client was 3 GB on the unlimited connection, so that will save me to install that again.
However, I am pretty sure there are a lot more files to download.
There is a way to go over that monthly 10 GB data download quota but it costs around $10 per 3 GB or so, I am not sure. |
Doug Shahni
New Quafe Zero Music Department
0
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:47:33 -
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ok |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
113
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Posted - 2016.02.14 18:49:21 -
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The company that let me download the 3 GB EVE client in 2 to 4 hours, stopped offering internet services altogether for all of their clients, except by telephone tethering, which I do not want.
It works at under 25 mbps and presumably at under 4 mbps to 7 mbps minimum rate.
Now, I need a receipt for the cost of the hardware device (USB wireless modem) that they will not refund me (as sold).
I need it to get a tax refund on business expenses. |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
166
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Posted - 2016.02.28 18:31:50 -
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Got the 2nd deal wireless wifi modem.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
204
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Posted - 2016.03.05 16:42:48 -
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I can now go verify the 3rd offer today from 25 mbps to 40 mbps, almost double, with unlimited data transfer already included at no additional costs (or have to add an additional $10 payment for unlimited).
If I remember, they only wanted $50 more than I paid for a failing system with no streaming.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2016.03.06 09:10:21 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:I can now go verify the 3rd offer today from 25 mbps to 40 mbps, almost double, with unlimited data transfer already included at no additional costs (or have to add an additional $10 payment for unlimited).
If I remember, they only wanted $50 more than I paid for a failing system with no streaming.
I didn't have the time, and I work tomorrow in 24 hours.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
222
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Posted - 2016.03.12 16:54:50 -
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I now have 4 new offers one of which is the mobile internet type.
My current mobile connection works, although it is more expensive , it is mobile.
However, the hardware has a missing part about which I will call the company today but they won't do anything.
The other 3 or 4 connections (5 total) are:
One at 1 Gbps, at around $100 per month, +/- other requirements such as photo ID and a few other things.
Another at 100 mbps at around $250 to get it installed and then around $95 per month, so around 10 times worst for almost the same price as the one above.
A third at around 30 mbps at around $150 to get it installed which is less than I paid for my mobile system but it would have taken longer.
It also took them over 3 weeks to confirm info I was trying to verify before transacting with them.
On other words, they don't care if they decide to change the service after they get paid (I rather not).
There is also one or 2 more , but it's a mobile connection at 40 mbps for around $250 installation costs, though it is unlimited.
I would have to review the last one as I am not sure which of which company offers it.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2016.03.23 23:57:22 -
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http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5192976228
Speed test results at:
Download -v- 0.12 Mb/s , Upload -^- 0.10 Mb/s
Ping: 77 ms (to 28 ms)
(from 256 kbps throttle earlier)
but the speed was throttled down to 32 kbps download, and 16 kbps upload (=0.032 to 0.016).
I could have afforded one of 2 more stable internet cable type of connections with cable modems.
One is around $155 and I forgot exactly which company it is, although I have about 12 local internet companies phone numbers.
It is one of those , or one of 3 or 2 of those.
Another is $178.
Those rates include installation, taxes, modem rental or purchase deals, etc...
However, there are limitation on the method of payment since my credit is over the limit and short of another $200 (the same amount required for the new connection).
I was going to pay that this week, but I needed the money (or part of it for other things).
Also, the more garbage and attacks is on the forum, the higher the security costs or potential costs.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
254
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Posted - 2016.03.24 22:14:59 -
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http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5194916167
from the library, 4 ms ping is hard to beat...
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
344
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Posted - 2016.06.08 12:16:37 -
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I now run my internet connection in wifi from the same data stick and internet plan company (Internet Service Provider ISP) that I used to make 2 billion in one day running incursion with Warp To Me Incursions (20 hours or 19 hours to under a 23 hours day)...
However, I changed my plan down to a 1 GB plan, at the lowered cost of $10 per month, which was then unprocessed due to a false record of a hanged up call, and was then corrected from the current $15 per month (all plus taxes) without promotion back to the $10 per month discounted price.
That does not let me login to the client, but , since I can't use my desktop and video card at this time, since it is in my storage, I have no use for the 13 GB to login to the EVE Online client.
I could afford a $180 or so laptop, but I would need an external video card adapter which costs around $80 but also works with most other laptop model, for a 2 GB Video RAM PCI-E video card.
Also, I would have no place to store the laptop for use, so, this may wait until later, not only for the money, but, also for security purposes.
It is also a better way to deal with brainwashing, and other attempts at hiding intentions to justify attacks...
Also, to make
it takes about 100 MB per day, so it will not be possible to use it everyday at that rate, not for under 1 GB total.
VIEW PERIOD
JUNE 5 2016 TO JULY 4 2016
DATE - WIND NETWORK - AWAY - ROAMING - TOTAL
Jun 5 2016 - 104.4 MB - 0 KB - 0 KB - 104.4 MB
Jun 6 2016 - 101.2 MB - 0 KB - 0 KB - 101.2 MB
= 205.6 MB out of 1 GB = 794.4 MB left.
Also,
since I already have to deal with seizure and forfeiture laws, and even EVE Online is no stranger to this.
They themselves increased the rate of forfeiture of my threads, while I am asked to restart my thread.
Language should not be a tool meant to hide the truth.
Encryption is a tool to hide the truth, and albeit it is used for diplomats to hide the truth, it may be the better tool.
Destruction is another way to hide the truth, but it is also perhaps the least efficient way to keep something away from it all.
So, since this is the case, I have to implement new ways to protect my work that will withstand the attempts at seizure and forfeiture, which will add an extra security layer.
A sort of nuclear shelter that can withstand the war if you will, since it is the case.
That way, when a force causes me to lose some of the written analysis that I publish here or elsewhere, I have some ways to retrieve the work from backup, whether after the copyright registration, or before.
These increased rate of forfeiture and attempts to even increase trying to be justifying inducing it to occur by errors and omission onto my own person, whether by increased accusations, attacks, etc,
right at the same time that I am dealing with a trusted 3rd-party who would act as an in-between for as long as it doesn't break EULA or other rules.
Now, it does not, but I wouldn't be surprised that false accusations are again either being conspired to be used to try to divert me from my goal or other method used to try to coerce into being in breach of the EULA.
I hardly think that this would be enough security for me to secure my 3rd party work.
Anyways, just thought I would let you know that, yes, it is also another good reason to stop posting on the forums, since it is used to try to discredit me from 20 years to 25 years to 30 years + of programming work, systems analysis design, which does include making rules, policies, ethics, data dictionary, and all sorts of other systems, including Entity-Relationship Diagrams, DFD, and more.
So yes, I do and will protect my work outside of the game, and if you want to interfere against me dealing with Chribba due to claims of infringement to the EULA, he will be able to record such occurence and the work will have to be directed from there.
I do have to go to study law to even have the power to police and protect my own copyright due to ongoing "social profit" originated from request to forfeit my work.
It doesn't make it any less worthwhile for me to protect.
it doesn't make it any less attacked neither it is designed to be stolen or spoil those potential would be entities which prefer to see about their forfeiture over to them or , as destroyed.
Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
388
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Posted - 2016.06.13 17:05:20 -
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Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
Locked.
I seriously suggest you stop with this tirade of yours.
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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