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Helferin	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:17:00 - [1] Hello community! I haven't used forums very much, i mean i haven't postet very much since im playing. I pretty much read your stories, fittings, and got amazed from some posts about first kills and such... well to come to a point, here is a little story. I was mining in a belt with my retriever. The Smooth Glacial Mass Ice units where shining in my jet-can... i was all happy and just wanted to fetch my iteron when a myrmidon came in the belt. Well i thought, as much as i know about ice mining ( im only 5days old ) there isnt really much he can do to me. Maybe he was just ratting i thought. Well i warped to the station to fetch my iteron. When i came back to the belt he was red flashing to me and my can was yellow, not white as i got to know it. I haven't thought about it, like i said, im pretty new. So i took the can and suddenly he shot at my iteron and killed it. 3 Mark Modified Destroyed, and almost all of my mined ice. So i asked around how that can happen in high sec. They told me that this is the common way those " high-sec " pirates doing it. I am not whining or being pi**ed or such. It wasnt a big loss, well okay it was but i already got it reimbursed from my wallet, which is looking really bad again... Such a thing happened to you? You want to help change it? Please post it in here, with your story and everything else. The guy who robbed me is called "Trustus" from the muffin factory. Everyone who wants to please feel free to kill Muffin Factory, war declare or anything! /helferin
Drygon WindRynner	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:44:00 - [2] Jet cans were not designed for mining, it was a player invention. It was never ment to be secure, thats was secure cargo containers are for. on that note.. i can't believe you fell for that trick
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:45:00 - [3] We have a breach in the security system a miner has entered the forums please weld the gate shut before the infiltration continues. Half Assed Rhymage
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:48:00 - [4] wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Helferin	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:49:00 - [5] im only 6 days old. so yes im falling :(
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:49:00 - [6] Originally by: PCaBoo wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? A 3 day old guy in a cormonant was shooting me with spike s ammo Half Assed Rhymage
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? A 3 day old guy in a cormonant was shooting me with spike s ammo wow, CCP's really making it easy. By the time I get into a dread, new players will be flying titans right out of tutorial. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:53:00 - [8] 1 year ago the miners asked for a game mechanic that would allow them to attack ore thieves. They whined so much - even though jet-can mining can be seen as an exploit, that CCP granted the flagging rules. 1 year later the miners are whining for an even more full-proof way of dealing with this. I am not blaming you or pointing fingers, but you were blown up by using the game mechanic that the mining community requested. Which is kinda ironic, don't ya think ? -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
Kjewla Minmatar TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:56:00 - [9] lol, when the miners finally get there way they whine even more. REMOVE concord from highsec and you can have youre way TDG forums
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:57:00 - [10] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? A 3 day old guy in a cormonant was shooting me with spike s ammo wow, CCP's really making it easy. By the time I get into a dread, new players will be flying titans right out of tutorial. Don't get a dread capitals are overrated you should be like me and train for all non Caldari ships (no mining,hauling, bs's or interdictors). In 2 years its gonna be awesome of course by then eve will have changed so much argh Half Assed Rhymage

PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Don't get a dread capitals are overrated you should be like me and train for all non Caldari ships (no mining,hauling, bs's or interdictors). In 2 years its gonna be awesome of course by then eve will have changed so much argh Well I already have my T2 Ibis, now i'm working on my Velator of doom. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Samirol Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:01:00 - [12] Edited by: Samirol on 31/01/2007 16:57:40 ooops, forgot im not posting Currently taking a break from the forums.
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:21:00 - [13] ... on this char ? -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Setana Manoro ... on this char ? Yes, Sami couldnt keep off the forums if he tried :P. But on topic, I'm glad your not whining about it, and understand that EVE has a set of rules that everybody follows, and if you know the rules, your safe. ------
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Kjewla lol, when the miners finally get there way they whine even more. REMOVE concord from highsec and you can have youre way ye was gona say, before can flagging came in miners were saying they had no way to degend their jet cans. You want ccp to assign devs to pvp for you aswell?
Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:15:00 - [16] to the OP: when you grabbed from the can, didnt you get this "you are stealing and can be attacked" warning? if not, open options (esc) and look under "generic" (i think) to reset the "format error" message. stupid name for it, i know. but somehow they ****** that up, and if you ever ticked"dont show that message again" on the steal-warning, thats what you need to reset. anyhoo, they guy stole from you(therefor was flashing red), and you shouldve killed him. thats exactly what he did with you, btw.
Ngwee Gallente 7 SAI	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:19:00 - [17] Everyone seems to be a bit harsh to a new pilot with 5 days experience in EVE under their belt. You were caught out by an exploit - sorry - devilishly cunning plan - by an older pilot with loose morals who wants a kill. Can flagging is not new by any means - but does still catch people unawares. Possibly talk to people on the help channel if something isnt clear or obvious?
Cloora Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 18:45:00 - [18] As a miner, I fail to see how it is supposed to be profitable to mine eithout jetcanning? Unless I run another account to haul out of a secure container that can pick up loads as my strip miners cycle, then mining might as well be for Macroers and thats it. It would behoove me to run missions instead. My friend that joined a month after me is taking the combat route and she runs lvl 2 missions and makes more ISK then I do. I reprocess all her loot she gets for the minerals because I have the better skill for it. You should have an equal chance to make ISK at any career. Or at least close to it. Otherwise you are going to have everyone doing one thing. Even if I get a Hulk I can fill that ships hold in a matter of one cycle of the Strip Miners. Thats 3 minutes. If I have to dock to unload every 3 minutes I am not maximizing my game time for profitibility. So either do this to fix it. Make Giant Secure containers MUCH bigger or the cargo hold on the Barges and Exhumers much larger. Otherwise screw this mining... I'll go run missions. ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter "It's none of my business what I think of you."
Sabrina Benzine	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Cloora As a miner, I fail to see how it is supposed to be profitable to mine eithout jetcanning? Might be way off here as I've only just come back to the game after a long lay off. Seems to me though that your problem is that you have just hit the 'EVE is not a solo game' problem for the first time. I gave up mining after the tutorial but I guess the way to do it is to join with another miner and one mines whilst the other hauls the ore. You are helping your friend by reprocessing for her. This is cool but she would be making less money on her own as she would be getting less minerals from the reprocessing. This game is much easier not played solo. Having said that I play solo all the time, you just have to accept that you make life harder for yourself and also some things will be out of your reach as a solo player. Anyway, EVE is full of expensive lessons to learn, don't get discouraged. It's a great game.
WrathchildeVOTF	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:41:00 - [20] Originally by: Drygon WindRynner Jet cans were not designed for mining, it was a player invention. It was never ment to be secure, thats was secure cargo containers are for. on that note.. i can't believe you fell for that trick Those cans were SO designed for mining. Just look at them, they're perfect for it. Just because the Dev's hadn't anticipated we'd find out about it... Seriously, whether they were designed for mining, or not, they have been put to that use since, oh, day 3 of the game being Live. The Dev's may not have intended that use, but since it isn't game breaking, they rolled with the punch, and added a few features to make their use risky. Like can-flagging, and the timed duration of the cans. Trust me when I say that without the can-flagging, mining is boring. Extremely boring. Besides, now it's 4 years into the game, changing cans now would be like removing autopilot.

Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.31 19:50:00 - [21] Originally by: WrathchildeVOTF Originally by: Drygon WindRynner Jet cans were not designed for mining, it was a player invention. It was never ment to be secure, thats was secure cargo containers are for. on that note.. i can't believe you fell for that trick Those cans were SO designed for mining. Just look at them, they're perfect for it. Just because the Dev's hadn't anticipated we'd find out about it... Seriously, whether they were designed for mining, or not, they have been put to that use since, oh, day 3 of the game being Live. The Dev's may not have intended that use, but since it isn't game breaking, they rolled with the punch, and added a few features to make their use risky. Like can-flagging, and the timed duration of the cans. Trust me when I say that without the can-flagging, mining is boring. Extremely boring. Besides, now it's 4 years into the game, changing cans now would be like removing autopilot. risk vs reward. Welcome to eve
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Sabrina Benzine Originally by: Cloora As a miner, I fail to see how it is supposed to be profitable to mine eithout jetcanning? Might be way off here as I've only just come back to the game after a long lay off. Seems to me though that your problem is that you have just hit the 'EVE is not a solo game' problem for the first time. I gave up mining after the tutorial but I guess the way to do it is to join with another miner and one mines whilst the other hauls the ore. You are helping your friend by reprocessing for her. This is cool but she would be making less money on her own as she would be getting less minerals from the reprocessing. This game is much easier not played solo. Having said that I play solo all the time, you just have to accept that you make life harder for yourself and also some things will be out of your reach as a solo player. Anyway, EVE is full of expensive lessons to learn, don't get discouraged. It's a great game. Can flagging was not added to make jetcan mining more risky, quite the opposite. Ore thieves were harassing miners all the time so they cried for a way to be able to deffend themselves, so can flagging was born. Of course most miners couldn't be arsed to fight for their ore so it would have all be in vain, but fortunately ore thieves found a new use for it... --- sig under construction
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Sabrina Benzine Originally by: Cloora As a miner, I fail to see how it is supposed to be profitable to mine eithout jetcanning? Might be way off here as I've only just come back to the game after a long lay off. Seems to me though that your problem is that you have just hit the 'EVE is not a solo game' problem for the first time. I gave up mining after the tutorial but I guess the way to do it is to join with another miner and one mines whilst the other hauls the ore. You are helping your friend by reprocessing for her. This is cool but she would be making less money on her own as she would be getting less minerals from the reprocessing. This game is much easier not played solo. Having said that I play solo all the time, you just have to accept that you make life harder for yourself and also some things will be out of your reach as a solo player. Anyway, EVE is full of expensive lessons to learn, don't get discouraged. It's a great game. Can flagging was not added to make jetcan mining more risky, quite the opposite. Ore thieves were harassing miners all the time so they cried for a way to be able to deffend themselves, so can flagging was born. Of course most miners couldn't be arsed to fight for their ore so it would have all be in vain, but fortunately ore thieves found a new use for it... --- sig under construction
Devian 666 KAIZEN BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:32:00 - [24] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? A 3 day old guy in a cormonant was shooting me with spike s ammo wow, CCP's really making it easy. By the time I get into a dread, new players will be flying titans right out of tutorial. You'll only realise after his 1 day alt decloaks and drops a cyno at your ss. Cool an orange sig
Devian 666 KAIZEN BROTHERHOOD	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:32:00 - [25] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo wow you can get a retriever in 5 days now? A 3 day old guy in a cormonant was shooting me with spike s ammo wow, CCP's really making it easy. By the time I get into a dread, new players will be flying titans right out of tutorial. You'll only realise after his 1 day alt decloaks and drops a cyno at your ss. Cool an orange sig
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:41:00 - [26] In a much less "yarr" way, if someone steals from your can, they appear flashing red, indicating you can attack them to defend your property. Any can belonging to you appears white. Any other player's can appears yellow. He pulled a jetcan switch on you. He took your ice (making him red and thus vulnerable to you), and then jettisoned his own can (the yellow one) with your ore in it. When you opened his can and took the ice (which is now his), you became flashing red to him (thus he could jack you). It's a very old trick. As said above, by trying to make themselves more profitable, the miners opened a whole new can of whoop-ass on themselves. EVE is designed to be a team effort, even in high-sec. If you had a corpmate standing by in a combat vessel, this could have been avoided. Unfortunately, the miners are unable to see immediately past their wallets and think only of the "safe profit" ignoring the fact that sharing their wealth would make them safer. If you make it worthwhile for someone to protect you, they will. Until then, watch your tail. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:41:00 - [27] In a much less "yarr" way, if someone steals from your can, they appear flashing red, indicating you can attack them to defend your property. Any can belonging to you appears white. Any other player's can appears yellow. He pulled a jetcan switch on you. He took your ice (making him red and thus vulnerable to you), and then jettisoned his own can (the yellow one) with your ore in it. When you opened his can and took the ice (which is now his), you became flashing red to him (thus he could jack you). It's a very old trick. As said above, by trying to make themselves more profitable, the miners opened a whole new can of whoop-ass on themselves. EVE is designed to be a team effort, even in high-sec. If you had a corpmate standing by in a combat vessel, this could have been avoided. Unfortunately, the miners are unable to see immediately past their wallets and think only of the "safe profit" ignoring the fact that sharing their wealth would make them safer. If you make it worthwhile for someone to protect you, they will. Until then, watch your tail. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Jaymine	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:54:00 - [28] I can't wait to see what he posts when I come blow up his barge and have a mate take his ice miners
Smedlonius	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:58:00 - [29] Yeah ain't it fun?
Cloora Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Sabrina Benzine Originally by: Cloora As a miner, I fail to see how it is supposed to be profitable to mine eithout jetcanning? Might be way off here as I've only just come back to the game after a long lay off. Seems to me though that your problem is that you have just hit the 'EVE is not a solo game' problem for the first time. I gave up mining after the tutorial but I guess the way to do it is to join with another miner and one mines whilst the other hauls the ore. You are helping your friend by reprocessing for her. This is cool but she would be making less money on her own as she would be getting less minerals from the reprocessing. This game is much easier not played solo. Having said that I play solo all the time, you just have to accept that you make life harder for yourself and also some things will be out of your reach as a solo player. Anyway, EVE is full of expensive lessons to learn, don't get discouraged. It's a great game. That's funny. But I swore I could run lvl 2 and 3 missions solo.... ======================================== Cloora Caldari Miner/Fighter "It's none of my business what I think of you."



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