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RolandF Guards Assault Corps Infinity Space. 1	Posted - 2016.02.09 15:16:45 - [1] - Quote Try a new camera? It looks like I'm in X3 Terran conflict / Reunion with zooming glasses. Really, strange zooming camera. When I came today to the game, I wanted to close this game and leave again, I'm very emotional. CCP, I think it is wrong idea with this camera. At least, let live the old Good camera, let it stay in the game. I do NOT want use zooming glasses. Thank, but no.
Pix Severus Empty You 2887	Posted - 2016.02.09 15:20:36 - [2] - Quote General settings > untick "Try the New Camera" (thanks, Crosi Wesdo). I don't like having blinkers put on. My lord.
Valthax Kelkore Damen LLC 1	Posted - 2016.02.09 16:25:22 - [3] - Quote Thanks for the info about how to disable it, Pix. CCP, trying new things is good but please keep the original features in the new system. I might be in the minority here, but I rely on the tracking camera feature heavily and would be quite irritated if it were permanently removed from the game. Scanning was a good change, the map changes are mediocre, but I wish I could bin the new camera system completely.
Nalia White Tencus 156	Posted - 2016.02.09 17:26:23 - [4] - Quote thanks to whoever we can disable this... a acceleration / decceleration for camera zooming? who would want that seriously i am baffled...
Terrorfrodo Renegade Hobbits for Mordor 714	Posted - 2016.02.09 17:39:48 - [5] - Quote Old camera will be removed completely in one month so better get used to the new one. And read the dev blog which explains how change-averse people can make the new camera behave almost identically to the old one. .
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14057	Posted - 2016.02.09 17:45:47 - [6] - Quote I'm conflicted , I want to troll the patch day moan thread (like really badly) but I also want to ** and moan till they un-** the tracking camera. Halp , wat do !? Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Pix Severus Empty You 2893	Posted - 2016.02.09 17:48:25 - [7] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: I'm conflicted , I want to troll the patch day moan thread (like really badly) but I also want to ** and moan till they un-** the tracking camera. Halp , wat do !? Follow your heart! My lord.
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 293	Posted - 2016.02.09 17:58:55 - [8] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: Old camera will be removed completely in one month so better get used to the new one. And read the dev blog which explains how change-averse people can make the new camera behave almost identically to the old one. They remove old camera and there will be riots. New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Daemun of Khanid
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14063	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:36:36 - [9] - Quote That's quite the sperg there daem, tbh I've liked and adapted to every Ui update thus far. This is the first one I have to just Nope out of, how the hell am I ment to track anything if the camera can't track the damn thing as it leaves grid ffs, I can live with the c-click but the "warping" immunity to the camera kills it for me. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Inuro Enderas Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:49:19 - [10] - Quote Came to the forum for the first time... Because the new camera gave me a goddamn headache! What the hell is wrong with the old one?!

Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 14063	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:50:53 - [11] - Quote feedback goes here Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 293	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:54:01 - [12] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: That's quite the sperg there daem, tbh I've liked and adapted to every Ui update thus far. This is the first one I have to just Nope out of, how the hell am I ment to track anything if the camera can't track the damn thing as it leaves grid ffs, I can live with the c-click but the "warping" immunity to the camera kills it for me. Sorry :) I've just been annoyed with this camera and the way they are pushing and pushing it with so little regard to feed back. Today's patch pushing the new camera to default combined with all the other recent "improvements" was just enough to make the bucket overflow. In all honestly I've also adjusted to most of the other things without much issue but the point is that it shows a trend of pushing things that (even if ppl can eventually adjust to them) are just unnecessary or unwanted. It all reeks of trying to either justify a job or someone (in the decision making process) who is just determined to do what THEY want regardless of whether or not its actually a good decision or investment of time and resources. Daemun of Khanid
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 293	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:55:14 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: feedback goes here Carefull, last time I tried to post in GD telling people to go check out new features and use the feedback thread it was locked. Reason... because they are supposed to use the feedback thread... Daemun of Khanid
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 293	Posted - 2016.02.09 18:56:16 - [14] - Quote Inuro Enderas wrote: Came to the forum for the first time... Because the new camera gave me a goddamn headache! What the hell is wrong with the old one?! A b s o l u t e l y n o t h i n g . . . Daemun of Khanid
GinBar BALKAN EXPRESS Shadow Cartel 6	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:23:50 - [15] - Quote leave new camera, turn off all advanced camera features and push camera speed to max ( move slider to right). Like this, new camera is way better then old one.
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 297	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:36:16 - [16] - Quote GinBar wrote: leave new camera, turn off all advanced camera features and push camera speed to max ( move slider to right). Like this, new camera is way better then old one. New camera is in no way better than old one. No setting changes that. It drifts too much, it shifts too much, fov changes are bad, addition of new keypresses required to do the same things as before are bad, first person is useless fluff and zoom response is terrible. Turn off all the "features", get rid of the response curves, take away the extra clicks and what you have is the old camera. Whats the purpose of this change again? Daemun of Khanid
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1105	Posted - 2016.02.09 22:53:03 - [17] - Quote Capacitor display screws itself, our clients crash upon entering wormholes for what, a year now? yet we get a new camera which also crashes the client itself. friggin devs know how to set priorities.
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 298	Posted - 2016.02.09 23:46:15 - [18] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: That's quite the sperg there daem, tbh I've liked and adapted to every Ui update thus far. This is the first one I have to just Nope out of, how the hell am I ment to track anything if the camera can't track the damn thing as it leaves grid ffs, I can live with the c-click but the "warping" immunity to the camera kills it for me. Just saw what you were talking about "Tracking a warping entity is no longer permitted by the camera" This is supposed to be an improvement? So now not only is it more cumbersome to track an object on the overview in order to maintain situational awareness or to utilize d-scan, but now the tracking camera breaks lock as soon as someone tries to enter warp so that it's nearly impossible to see where they're going. Should make trying to catch cowards and farmers tons of fun. Am I correct in assuming that not only do the UI team want to see how many ppl they can **** off and how much they can break but they want to make running away easier for carebears as well? This just keeps getting better. There are more things in this new camera that make ppl want to avoid it at all costs then there are ANY kind of actual improvements. Tell me again why the new camera is opt out instead of opt in? Or for that matter why it exists in the first place? Daemun of Khanid
Essensia SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:00:36 - [19] - Quote I don't usually post on the forums, but this new camera is really irritating for me. Granted I haven't played with the new camera for long, but from what I've tried, I find myself getting slightly nauseous. There's just something with the mouse sensitivity with the new camera that bugs me. Ok, so I'm open to new ideas and maybe given some time I might try it out again... WHAT REALLY GETS ME.... why the heck would you disable the option of turning the new camera off after 1 month?
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1286	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:13:56 - [20] - Quote Quote: CCP's UI devs and who ever approves their work are more out of touch with the player base than the US government is with US citizens. The UI changes have been asked for by many many people over many years. Because they didnt do what one group of people wanted doesn't mean they didn't listen. They just didn't listen to you, which is why you're pissed. internet spaceships are serious business sir. and don't forget it

Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 299	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:17:30 - [21] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: CCP's UI devs and who ever approves their work are more out of touch with the player base than the US government is with US citizens. The UI changes have been asked for by many many people over many years. Because they didnt do what one group of people wanted doesn't mean they didn't listen. They just didn't listen to you, which is why you're pissed. Show me one example of ppl asking for extra key presses to track objects on overview. How about an example of someone wanting tracking camera to NOT follow objects as they enter warp? How about someone ASKING for the camera to bob around more and generally just behave more sluggishly? The ONLY thing in this new camera I've ever seen asked for, was the first person camera which its self is just a joke. Do ppl want UI improvements? Absolutely. Is this new camera an improvement? Nope. If you start looking at things ppl have actually asked for I'll tell you what you'll find... nothing that's actually been added. But hey, they also made some improvements to ships that appear in the captains quarters. That's nice huh? Daemun of Khanid
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1213	Posted - 2016.02.10 00:21:29 - [22] - Quote I hunt using the d-scan. I can quickly find things or have a quick look at the environment near or far, focused or general. Having to click things to make the camera track them kills this. It's like it was made by some clever-clogs who doesn't play eve. It's not a matter of adapting, the useful feature is broken. Gonna go read that dev blog and see if i can make tracking camera work like the old system. If not, you broke a good thing guys, a good thing. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
AshenShugar01 Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel 21	Posted - 2016.02.10 03:10:11 - [23] - Quote Two words for anyone who plays EVE with a PVP mindset.... TRACKING CAMERA. No no no no no, CCP please..... ffs, why replace a functioning feature that gets a huge amount of use with something that functions less well and not when you're in warp. Why??? Why replace one click with several?? Why slow stuff down???? If finding targets isn't already hard enough in this game now you slow down a key function that makes finding targets easier... I'm speechless. I'll keep the new camera off till the day you take that option from me. And then we'll see...
Major Triscuits Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 37	Posted - 2016.02.10 03:18:26 - [24] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Works fine for me.
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 301	Posted - 2016.02.10 03:37:21 - [25] - Quote Major Triscuits wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Works fine for me. I assume you pve alot, because for pvp its 10 steps in the wrong direction. Daemun of Khanid
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 701	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:44:06 - [26] - Quote I like the ability to easily switch back and forth. I do not like how switching disables my tactical overlay. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Major Triscuits Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2016.02.10 04:58:07 - [27] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Major Triscuits wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Works fine for me. I assume you pve alot, because for pvp its 10 steps in the wrong direction. If you say so.
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 303	Posted - 2016.02.10 05:38:12 - [28] - Quote Major Triscuits wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: Major Triscuits wrote: Daemun Khanid wrote: New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Works fine for me. I assume you pve alot, because for pvp its 10 steps in the wrong direction. If you say so. Instead of just saying "no it's not" I'd love to hear an honest opinion on how adding key presses to camera tracking and not allowing the tracking camera to follow targets that enter warp is not bad for pvp. Daemun of Khanid
Owen Levanth Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration 443	Posted - 2016.02.10 15:25:58 - [29] - Quote RolandF wrote: Try a new camera? It looks like I'm in X3 Terran conflict / Reunion with zooming glasses. Really, strange zooming camera. When I came today to the game, I wanted to close this game and leave again, I'm very emotional. CCP, I think it is wrong idea with this camera. At least, let live the old Good camera, let it stay in the game. I do NOT want use zooming glasses. Thank, but no. I tried the new first person camera yesterday. Was surprisingly fun with my fast frigate. And it took CCP only 12+ years to implement this!
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 310	Posted - 2016.02.10 17:36:27 - [30] - Quote Just want to remind every one to PLEASE read the official feedback thread. Take note of some of the concerns that have been expressed and voice your opinions. If players don't speak up we can say good bye to the old camera and we'll all be stuck with this new "feature" whether we like it not. Daemun of Khanid

MidnightWyvern Night Theifs 181	Posted - 2016.02.10 18:11:01 - [31] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Terrorfrodo wrote: Old camera will be removed completely in one month so better get used to the new one. And read the dev blog which explains how change-averse people can make the new camera behave almost identically to the old one. They remove old camera and there will be riots. New camera is s* and have been saying so for months. Broken useless s**. Same story with the stupid ring they added around the cap display that's supposed to "help navigate." The icon changes I can live with, don't like them but whatever. They don't effect gameplay so much. But who ever is doing this UI work needs to be let go. It's just one worthless, unwanted, nonfunctional change being forced down our throat after another. (not to mention the new maps and probe scanning. Ppl are still having issue's with those) I will give them this. At least before forcing this garbage to default they fixed camera rotation during look at. Last I tested it on the test server if you selected an object and hit "track" (though why they needed to force us to hit a button to do that when it worked automatically before is beyond me) and you then tried to rotate the camera to look around the camera would detach from your ship and rotate around a point in empty space. Completely destroying any sense of situational awareness or even giving you any clue where you ship was at all for that matter. Your ship just completely vanished out of view and would VERY slowly slide back into view after 10 seconds or so. The camera seems to remain on your ship now at least, but the camera movement is all still so horribly clunky/drifty/bouncy that the entire thing is nausea inducing. So lets see, what have they given us and how much of it is either largely disliked, unwanted, non-functional or just down right abhorred... New "blurry transparent" UI? New ui icons? New module icons? New overview icons? Navigational ring thingamajig? New star map? New system/probe map? Changes to dscan min range? New "improved" camera? First person camera? lol's All that and one simple thing that either can't or refuse to do that ppl repeatedly asked to have back that we USED to have but they took away, custom ui colors... CCP's UI devs and who ever approves their work are more out of touch with the player base than the US government is with US citizens. Tell us how you really feel. _#portDust514 Don't let interactions like this become only a memory. (EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
Daemun Khanid Apollo Defence Industries 316	Posted - 2016.02.10 18:51:49 - [32] - Quote Tried to sum it up. Daemun of Khanid
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 802	Posted - 2016.02.10 20:44:29 - [33] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: CCP's UI devs and who ever approves their work are more out of touch with the player base than the US government is with US citizens. The UI changes have been asked for by many many people over many years. Because they didnt do what one group of people wanted doesn't mean they didn't listen. They just didn't listen to you, which is why you're pissed. True, usually it's the ones who are more pissed off about the changes in Eve that are the vocal majority. We'd rather ***** about this or that than waste the time to make a thread just to say, "Hey, that's actually well done. Wow, thanks, CCP," anyways. More fun that way. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 20	Posted - 2016.02.10 20:55:50 - [34] - Quote Some of the videos I've watched on it were saying it appeared to be more tuned to people doing the screen recording stuff, don't know how accurate that is, but it is an interesting change. I do like the FPV camera, it lets me point and shoot the ship where I couldn't before. You had to do jump/stop weirdness to get to someplace close that you wanted to. Now I just drive my ship there. I'm not a fan of the targeting circle menus. If I'm near something large, it's a pain to zoom out and reorient my view so I can be looking where I want. I know I can shut that off but I'm not sure if the menus offer something more than my overview ones yet, jury is still out there. Since I'm still getting used to all this, the new cameras don't bother me one way or the other, but I can see advantages in the old camera views too. I'd say make a button to stick with the old camera view as well, right on the UI. Call it "Classic Cam" or something.
Jian Mira Aliastra Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2016.02.11 11:06:20 - [35] - Quote I hate the new camera, its crap.... I'm glad you can turn it off and go back to the old camera... What have they done... I know it needed some improvements but they have made it WORSE!!! Please keep the tick in the settings to revert back to old camera controls!!!
Kuetlzelcoatl 28	Posted - 2016.02.11 11:16:31 - [36] - Quote -I want a camera that gives me like a sort of "Bridge View" from the command chair with free look, with lots of big windows. -I also want a camera attached my very expensively developed Incarna Avatar, just in front of the eyes, also with free look. I don't care I'm in a POD! I still want a friggin camera attached to the headrest of the command char with Free Look. And the expensively developed Incarna Avatar can be an advanced walking camera drone for all I care, but with Free Look. The command chair camera should not have a third person camera drones zipping around, though the expensively developed Incarna Avatar could have one, as long as it doesn't end up in an air vent like some SyFi space game loosely related to BasketBall, Hockey, and Rugby all in one. Edit: Oh yeah, and with Free Look, in case it was missed.
Barrett Fruitcake State War Academy Caldari State 9	Posted - 2016.02.11 19:22:21 - [37] - Quote The current camera is fine. I still see a rusting hulk sitting in my hanger that I've never used but who cares. I heard you could see more stuff if you go outside, but I don't know. I have everything I could want here.
Nalia White Tencus 157	Posted - 2016.02.11 22:23:16 - [38] - Quote btw if you uncheck every single camera option and set the speed to the fastest it almost feels like the old camera for just navigating around. except for the y axis speed when holding your left mouse button... it's awkwardly slow.


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