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Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:44:00 - [1] Youch! I can afford it, but still. That's one expensive ship, just to have a higher rate of fire and some slightly extra damage tech 2 ammunition. I can't use tech 1 missile launchers for the advanced heavy missiles, can I? I'm in the process of training Heavy Missiles 5 right now just to use these, but I'm not so sure. Most of the time I speed through Level 3 missions for Loyalty Point grinding. Anyway, I heard something about "invention". How does this work? What skills do I need? Can I actually construct this stuff myself? Thanks very much!
Story Teller	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:45:00 - [2] Ive got 170 comming out of production soon, pm me ill sell some less than 12 mil
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:49:00 - [3] Originally by: Story Teller Ive got 170 comming out of production soon, pm me ill sell some less than 12 mil Oh yeah? Can you fill an order of 7 Heavy Missile Launcher IIs for 6 million isk each?
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:50:00 - [4] The cruiser size items have gone thru the roof. I guess they are easier on the wallet when you loose them. New NPC NPC Market
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:51:00 - [5] Yap. I bought some a while back for 4 million, but all the missioin runners are so damn rich they can afford the high prices (Since you seldom will lose a ship). Ya... well, just another reason why Caldari will never be a pvp race. ...Cause you can't afford to lose a pvp Battlecruiser that cost you 50m and another 170m to FIT! ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Story Teller Ive got 170 comming out of production soon, pm me ill sell some less than 12 mil Oh jesus, You're going to get spammed so bad! /me races home to get on Eve and send mail. ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
Story Teller	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:58:00 - [7] Whats annoying is that the top end modules were collapsing in price. Now i suspect the trend to reverse again over the next 2 weeks. Invul Field II were 25 mil not long ago, now they have dropped to 19 to 15 in the space of a week. HM launcher II dropped from 12 to 9 this week. The old Invention system was starting to take bite and hurting the Tech 2 BPO owners. However now invention is nerfed again they will get their prices back up again. Or at least for another few months until the Exploration datacores flood the market and the prices are pushed down to the 5 mil area. Off course for 5 mil isk i wont be cashing in my RP points so we have a problem of lack of constant supply and Invention runs are now down in their 10's to 20's with the success rate being the same as pre patch. Its not going to work.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Story Teller Whats annoying is that the top end modules were collapsing in price. Now i suspect the trend to reverse again over the next 2 weeks. Invul Field II were 25 mil not long ago, now they have dropped to 19 to 15 in the space of a week. HM launcher II dropped from 12 to 9 this week. The old Invention system was starting to take bite and hurting the Tech 2 BPO owners. However now invention is nerfed again they will get their prices back up again. Or at least for another few months until the Exploration datacores flood the market and the prices are pushed down to the 5 mil area. Off course for 5 mil isk i wont be cashing in my RP points so we have a problem of lack of constant supply and Invention runs are now down in their 10's to 20's with the success rate being the same as pre patch. Its not going to work. What do you mean by nerfed? How so?
Story Teller	Posted - 2007.01.31 21:08:00 - [9] Edited by: Story Teller on 31/01/2007 21:12:30 Runs pre patch were probably to high, if you pushed your luck you could get a 90 run HVML II BPC see costings above. After patch same setup - 11 run !!! 11 x 9 mil = 100mil The cost of datacores is more than that, ok if you were guaranteed 100% success this would be less an issue but with best skills its estimated best chance is 50% (at 100% you could break even with maybe a tiny profit). I was getting 35% area. So its not 4 datacores per run but 12, average datacore price is 15mil to 35mil. At 11 runs the cost of the Decrypters looks out of wack as well at 6mil, and taking the top end tech 1 item at 10mil also eats into the profits (or at the moment increased loss) Add to that is what a RP agent thinks his RP points are worth. To me 15-20mil was a fair price for his RP points. With the new setup i couldnt afford to buy datacores of him for more than 5-10 mil, depending if i wanted to make a profit. I wouldnt give up my Research points for 5 mil .
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:20:00 - [10] price instability is a good thing for the market tbh
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:22:00 - [11] Drake+Caracal+Cerberus+mission runner = tech 2 heavy launchers go mad. Fairly predictable, should have stocked up a couple dozen pre-revelations. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.31 22:36:00 - [12] 12mil each?!? Where you see those? Thats cheap.... Its supply vs demand folks.........simple
Kara Kaprica Minmatar Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Youch! I can afford it, but still. That's one expensive ship, just to have a higher rate of fire and some slightly extra damage tech 2 ammunition. I can't use tech 1 missile launchers for the advanced heavy missiles, can I? I'm in the process of training Heavy Missiles 5 right now just to use these, but I'm not so sure. Most of the time I speed through Level 3 missions for Loyalty Point grinding. Anyway, I heard something about "invention". How does this work? What skills do I need? Can I actually construct this stuff myself? Thanks very much! So many Caldari So little launchers So many drakes Lions and tigers and bears oh my. Always Outnumbered. Never Outgunned.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:31:00 - [14] Drake, Nighthawk, Cerberus, Curse. 4 reasons which are more than enough to explain the cost of HML IIs. 3 of those ships are nothing short of uber for missions. I know my T2-only NH can do lvl 4s at a decent speed, and no lvl 4 mission can break my passive tank unless I draw full aggro on purpose, even then, only a few full aggro places could break it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.31 23:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Rod Blaine Drake+Caracal+Cerberus+mission runner = tech 2 heavy launchers go mad. Fairly predictable, should have stocked up a couple dozen pre-revelations. Don't forget the NH, the cerb and Drake can't compete with it for tank or DPS. Cerb has the mobility and range, but that's it. Altho it's a painful few months of training for the ship. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 03:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Drake, Nighthawk, Cerberus, Curse. 4 reasons which are more than enough to explain the cost of HML IIs. 3 of those ships are nothing short of uber for missions. I know my T2-only NH can do lvl 4s at a decent speed, and no lvl 4 mission can break my passive tank unless I draw full aggro on purpose, even then, only a few full aggro places could break it. And Ruptures, Hurricanes, Cyclones to a lesser extent. 425mm Autocannons have also been getting to some absurd prices, especially the Scouts.
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 03:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Drake, Nighthawk, Cerberus, Curse. 4 reasons which are more than enough to explain the cost of HML IIs. 3 of those ships are nothing short of uber for missions. I know my T2-only NH can do lvl 4s at a decent speed, and no lvl 4 mission can break my passive tank unless I draw full aggro on purpose, even then, only a few full aggro places could break it. And Ruptures, Hurricanes, Cyclones to a lesser extent. 425mm Autocannons have also been getting to some absurd prices, especially the Scouts.
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 03:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Drake, Nighthawk, Cerberus, Curse. 4 reasons which are more than enough to explain the cost of HML IIs. 3 of those ships are nothing short of uber for missions. I know my T2-only NH can do lvl 4s at a decent speed, and no lvl 4 mission can break my passive tank unless I draw full aggro on purpose, even then, only a few full aggro places could break it. And Ruptures, Hurricanes, Cyclones to a lesser extent. 425mm Autocannons have also been getting to some absurd prices, especially the Scouts.
Sallous	Posted - 2007.02.01 03:25:00 - [19] What's even more amazing it that people will pay these prices for T2 modules, then come here and whine about how expensive they are. To buy or not is a choice. You don't have to make another player rich paying for overpriced equipment. T1 still works with far more bang for the buck.
Sallous	Posted - 2007.02.01 03:25:00 - [20] What's even more amazing it that people will pay these prices for T2 modules, then come here and whine about how expensive they are. To buy or not is a choice. You don't have to make another player rich paying for overpriced equipment. T1 still works with far more bang for the buck.
Nim9i5	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:22:00 - [21] They should make a whole new genre of skills needed to manufacture t2 equipment, a lottery is kinda dumb imo :P
Ragornok Multiversal Enterprise Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:30:00 - [22] There have been many occasions lately that I have seen the good named T1 stuff sell for MORE than the T2. The lower end stuff is pretty cheap, especially the manufactured, but the good T1 stuff is very scarce in some regions. So it's not like there is a lot of choice sometimes, either you pay the iskies or you fit a different weapon type. I suspect that it's because of a combination of factors on that. One is that less people can use the T2, second is that less people are working at filling the holes in the T1 market. After all, how many people actually go looking for cruiser sized rats to get the loot if they can go after battleships and get much better profit for their time. Then you have to figure in the fact that loot drops are racial specific, and only certain areas even have the Arbalast heavy missles and scout autocannons to go after.
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:53:00 - [23] If you think they are too expensive, don't buy them, kill the people who do and then laugh. It's what I do, T2 fitted BS being cheaper than T2 fitted BC ftw :) ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
nickky01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.01 04:54:00 - [24] \o/ i'm in a strel thread. ------------------------------------------- Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Oh and IAC's official response to ISS's offer is lollerskates.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Sallous T1 still works with far more bang for the buck. I'm guessing you haven't seen the prices of 'arbs'? ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.01 06:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau If you think they are too expensive, don't buy them, kill the people who do and then laugh. It's what I do, T2 fitted BS being cheaper than T2 fitted BC ftw :) Can't kill the people that do. They are either in station or in a deadspace. I swear, if you have T2 HML's you are most likely NOT pvp'ing in it. ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.01 08:15:00 - [27] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Copine Callmeknau If you think they are too expensive, don't buy them, kill the people who do and then laugh. It's what I do, T2 fitted BS being cheaper than T2 fitted BC ftw :) Can't kill the people that do. They are either in station or in a deadspace. I swear, if you have T2 HML's you are most likely NOT pvp'ing in it. Well maybe not HML's, more T2 cruiser mods in general, The price of 425's are close to 10mil, and 220's are 6-7mil. These are common kits as well, and it's not like it's a challenge to kill one in a T1 fitted ACpest :p ----- Originally by: wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Drake, Nighthawk, Cerberus, Curse. 4 reasons which are more than enough to explain the cost of HML IIs. 3 of those ships are nothing short of uber for missions. I know my T2-only NH can do lvl 4s at a decent speed, and no lvl 4 mission can break my passive tank unless I draw full aggro on purpose, even then, only a few full aggro places could break it. CURSE ??? wtf ?? i roflmao Great being Gallente... aint it ?
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:54:00 - [29] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Story Teller Ive got 170 comming out of production soon, pm me ill sell some less than 12 mil Oh jesus, You're going to get spammed so bad! /me races home to get on Eve and send mail. And his 100k CSPA charges will more than cover the discount on the launchers!
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.02.01 09:57:00 - [30] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Sallous T1 still works with far more bang for the buck. I'm guessing you haven't seen the prices of 'arbs'? Agreed. I sold the ones I had for more than I'd be able to make with them, and that was after in-alliance discount. Even the XR-3200s are going for insane prices in my region now. 2.7M?!

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