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Mishi Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:35:00 -
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No matter how you look at it, from whatever angle you perceive it, and in light of the recent "Devs helping Bob" chatlogs that were discovered, allowing Devs to play Eve presents a SEVERE conflict of interest and will in time, cause so many conspiracy theories, doubts and favoritism issues as to possibly ruin the game. BOB as a whole is not the issue or concern here, but simply an example. This is a game wide concern.
Devs should be able to work like Polaris or host player events for all to partake in, take on players in arranged battles, etc., but to allow people with access to the "spawn or change anything" button to participate as a player-member in this reality is simply idiotic and should not be allowed.
How many examples of corruption throughout history do we need to present to simply show that its basic human nature. People wish to be liked, to be considered cool and they want to win...many times at any cost (ego needs I guess). A Dev helping out the group it plays with is simply human nature happening.
NO Dev should be allowed to participate in the game universe whatsoever as a "player." Plain and simple. Much like if you work for a company that has a contest, you cannot participate in that contest. The Devs are simply geeks with human needs and frailties like anyone else...ego, accomplishment, ability and social needs. And if they can use the power they have at their fingertips to build on those needs, I fear one or more will.
Please, support the "No Player-Devs" initiative. It hurts no one and helps everyone. |
Ralus
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:39:00 -
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In other news the very human tradition in witch hunting continues in new eden.
...now where did I put my pitchfork
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/01/2007 21:37:51
WTS: T2 Pitchforks
Buy 10, get free lighter fluid.
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Liquid Vision on 31/01/2007 21:39:55
 Originally by: Ralus
In other news the very human tradition in witch hunting continues in new eden.
...now where did I put my pitchfork
In even more news. . .stupid sheep continue to follow their brethren off a cliff to a messy and abrupt death.
Anybody with half a brain would realize devs playing their own game with paying subscribers is asinine.
Thanks for finally giving me my damn picture! |
Nahia Senne
Fortunis Novum
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Khan
Please, support the "No Player-Devs" initiative. It hurts no one and helps everyone.
i mean, why should cooks taste their own cooking? 
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Ab Initio
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Khan
I am a Dev, and have been using my access to further my corp / alliances goals in the game.
That looks like concrete evidence to me, gtfo.
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:49:00 -
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There is only one possible response to this thread:
So, who wants to be the one to tell CCP they're not allowed to play the game they designed, the game they love, the game they always wanted? Because OMGWTFBOBHAX!!!111?
Please.
"If God be for us, whom can be against us?" |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Khan
No matter how you look at it, from whatever angle you perceive it, and in light of the recent "Devs helping Bob" chatlogs that were discovered, allowing Devs to play Eve presents a SEVERE conflict of interest and will in time, cause so many conspiracy theories, doubts and favoritism issues as to possibly ruin the game. BOB as a whole is not the issue or concern here, but simply an example. This is a game wide concern.
Devs should be able to work like Polaris or host player events for all to partake in, take on players in arranged battles, etc., but to allow people with access to the "spawn or change anything" button to participate as a player-member in this reality is simply idiotic and should not be allowed.
How many examples of corruption throughout history do we need to present to simply show that its basic human nature. People wish to be liked, to be considered cool and they want to win...many times at any cost (ego needs I guess). A Dev helping out the group it plays with is simply human nature happening.
NO Dev should be allowed to participate in the game universe whatsoever as a "player." Plain and simple. Much like if you work for a company that has a contest, you cannot participate in that contest. The Devs are simply geeks with human needs and frailties like anyone else...ego, accomplishment, ability and social needs. And if they can use the power they have at their fingertips to build on those needs, I fear one or more will.
Please, support the "No Player-Devs" initiative. It hurts no one and helps everyone.
Im sorry for using such harsh words, but are you stupid? I mean, how can CCP make a game and please us all if they miss out of the player experience? It is virtually impossible making a game if you dont play it yourself!!
I dont care if devs are in BoB, ASCN or MC. Because if they are, I am more then sure they play the game after the same rules as us! Podding and getting podded, and with the same strain on the wallet!
Originally by: Eldo Davip
PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT.
WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:51:00 -
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I fully support this...
who wants a dev team that actually plays it's own product and gets a feel for it? NOBODY, we want them to be completely unaware of gameplay, annoyance and frustration of bugs, feel for the game, love for the game. They should work with code and not care for how the result looks like...;!!!!
</sarcasm>
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DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mishi Khan
..."Devs helping Bob" chatlogs that were discovered,...
proof?
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 31/01/2007 21:49:12
Mishi Khan, sorry to hear you hate Eve being improved so much. I hear WoW's popular these days.
Liquid Vision, that's "standard practice in software development". Your alternative to this being? Details thanks!
DaHeaVYFo, the only "proof" are logs from a self-admitted criminal.
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Minikrimi Extreme
Zephyr Manufacturing Group
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:55:00 -
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Yeah, because I want the devs to not have any experience as a player, nor to enjoy the game. I was there at GenCon Indy when the devs were showcasing a Titan in Jove space. Yes, this was on Tranquility. Except they forgot to load the fuel for the DDD. It took forever (it seemed) to get the permissions necessary to spawn the fuel in a way that the Titan could access.
There isn't some mysterious "spawn x" button for devs to click even on their dev accounts. This was a sanctioned live demo at a high-profile con and there were still a bunch of hoops to jump through for TQ to be altered in that tiny way (spawning fuel) that allowed the Titan to actually do its thing.
Frankly, I was impressed with that aspect more than the flying around a system with no spawned belts or npcs. And THAT couldn't be altered to showcase the Titan's abilities. I don't think there is any reasonable chance of a dev altering the game environment in the way you suggest without being traced and called on the carpet for it.
Frankly, I'm happy that the devs play Eve. That means they LIKE the game enough to spend their work time AND their play time with it. Somehow I think that if they were prohibited from playing they would have trouble finding future employees. I only want them to hire those who enjoy Eve enough to play it. I only want them to hire those who understand how a seemingly insignificant change can impact gameplay and the Eve community, and the best way to learn that is to experience it directly.
I would not eat at a restaurant where the cooks couldn't or wouldn't eat their food, or shop at a store where the employees didn't buy anything for themselves. I wouldn't buy a car if the people who built them drove cars made by another company. Similarly, I wouldn't play a game where those who create it would not participate in it as members of the community, as well. As it is, because of the devs' commitment to the game which includes playing it, I have in one way or another patronized CCP since release (though I recycled my old toon last year). They change their policy of devs being allowed to play and I will probably leave, because I don't want to play in a world where the devs don't experience the players' side of things.
Minikrimi Extreme
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:56:00 -
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Its their game you fool
**** off if you dont like it.
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Breed Love
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:57:00 -
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this thread is retarded. devs shouldnt be allowed to play? wtf.
Originally by: Wrangler
We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!  
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:57:00 -
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There is already a thread in CAOD forum that you may use for your discussion. Please refrain from starting new threads.
Thank you.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.31 21:59:00 -
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It has been awhile (2 years or more) since I read what I am about to relate so perhaps things have changed.
I recall some Dev writing that they went over the game logs (or whatever tools they have at their disposal) of employees who play the game very closely and on a somewhat regular basis. The implied message in their offices seemed to be go ahead and play EVE but if you bring an unfair advantage to what you do in-game by virtue of your position as a Dev there would be hell to pay.
If indeed some CCP employee did use their position in the company to unfairly change the game then I hope that person's bosses get after them.
I doubt you can tell the people who designed the game that they cannot play it.
I will say what does worry me is that Devs seem to all like the PvP aspect of the game and have barely a clue on what it means to be a miner or a newb or a carebear. I am not saying all carebear issues are just but that when thinking on how to balance certain aspects of the game it would help if those doing it did not view the issue from only one side of the fence.
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