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Posaltnav
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Posted - 2007.02.03 04:44:00 -
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ive seen nothing but a drastic decline in mineral prices over the past bit of time.. and it seems Zyd is getting hit hard..
From 4100 months ago.. to now.. you can basicly acheive 2500.. 40% drop.
Lets not even get started on morphite.. ... 17000.. to 5k :/
what is going on that this drastic change in the market is happening?
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.03 07:21:00 -
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rogue drone regions.
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Marcus Tedric
Gallente
Tedric Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.02.04 09:48:00 -
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Several reasons all combining we suspect...
-ASCN disbands and many Corps bring stocks back to empire in their exodus
-New drone regions
-Exploration belts
-the rise of the Alliance-sponsored macro/isk farmers.....
A flush of high-end mins - now Noxcium is showing the same effect.
However, Pyerite still continues to rise, so farming back now in empire too.
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Relevohs
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Posted - 2007.02.04 13:02:00 -
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Bar none, the greatest killer of the market is 100% tied to BoB (flame all ya want). Either:
By cause: Corps have recently dumped Billions upon Billions on the market to raise cash for fighting against;
By requirement: Bob requires corps to poney up for 70+ BILLION to cover POS costs, +fees, +minerals (*cough* F'ing up enjoyment value/game-play X-Regions)
So that means you have massive mining going on in 0.0 to cover costs / raise funds, crushing the overall market and completely F'ing up the Eve Market place.
Expectations: Understanding that for the next few months at a minimum this will be going on, expect it harder and harder for make ISK from high-ends as the market continues it's downward slide.
...in other news....
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Ascelot Junior
Caldari
Redneck Revenge
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Posted - 2007.02.04 16:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Relevohs
stuff
To summarise, BoB.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.04 19:41:00 -
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There was a theory at one time that people who made ships in low sec would mine their low ends and bring them to high sec to dump them and take on a load of trit and pyerite. I personally belive this story because the amounts of mega the zyd you see for sell orders is insane.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.04 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Relevohs
Bar none, the greatest killer of the market is 100% tied to BoB (flame all ya want). Either:
By cause: Corps have recently dumped Billions upon Billions on the market to raise cash for fighting against;
By requirement: Bob requires corps to poney up for 70+ BILLION to cover POS costs, +fees, +minerals (*cough* F'ing up enjoyment value/game-play X-Regions)
So that means you have massive mining going on in 0.0 to cover costs / raise funds, crushing the overall market and completely F'ing up the Eve Market place.
Expectations: Understanding that for the next few months at a minimum this will be going on, expect it harder and harder for make ISK from high-ends as the market continues it's downward slide.
...in other news....
No matter which way you cut it, this isn't something that's economically sustainable. CCP is going to have to do something about it, otherwise the economy is going to go way out of whack on a more permanent basis.
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Ascelot Junior
Caldari
Redneck Revenge
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Posted - 2007.02.04 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Relevohs
Bar none, the greatest killer of the market is 100% tied to BoB (flame all ya want). Either:
By cause: Corps have recently dumped Billions upon Billions on the market to raise cash for fighting against;
By requirement: Bob requires corps to poney up for 70+ BILLION to cover POS costs, +fees, +minerals (*cough* F'ing up enjoyment value/game-play X-Regions)
So that means you have massive mining going on in 0.0 to cover costs / raise funds, crushing the overall market and completely F'ing up the Eve Market place.
Expectations: Understanding that for the next few months at a minimum this will be going on, expect it harder and harder for make ISK from high-ends as the market continues it's downward slide.
...in other news....
No matter which way you cut it, this isn't something that's economically sustainable. CCP is going to have to do something about it, otherwise the economy is going to go way out of whack on a more permanent basis.
Why not, please provide some argument why this is not economically sustainable? Surely we remain at the mercy of 'demand and supply'.
If mineral prices fall = miners mine less
If mineral prices increase = miners mine more
Will balance not be achieved this way?
Repeat after me 'the sky is not falling'
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dabster
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:28:00 -
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LOL @ blaming Bob 
Its all about the drone regions.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.05 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ascelot Junior
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Relevohs
Bar none, the greatest killer of the market is 100% tied to BoB (flame all ya want). Either:
By cause: Corps have recently dumped Billions upon Billions on the market to raise cash for fighting against;
By requirement: Bob requires corps to poney up for 70+ BILLION to cover POS costs, +fees, +minerals (*cough* F'ing up enjoyment value/game-play X-Regions)
So that means you have massive mining going on in 0.0 to cover costs / raise funds, crushing the overall market and completely F'ing up the Eve Market place.
Expectations: Understanding that for the next few months at a minimum this will be going on, expect it harder and harder for make ISK from high-ends as the market continues it's downward slide.
...in other news....
No matter which way you cut it, this isn't something that's economically sustainable. CCP is going to have to do something about it, otherwise the economy is going to go way out of whack on a more permanent basis.
Why not, please provide some argument why this is not economically sustainable? Surely we remain at the mercy of 'demand and supply'.
If mineral prices fall = miners mine less
If mineral prices increase = miners mine more
Will balance not be achieved this way?
Repeat after me 'the sky is not falling'
2 real reasons:
1) It represents a shift of income away from 0.0. The risk/reward factor gets thrown out the window and the 0.0 alliances start becoming poorer as they can't export their resources to gather ISK.
2) Miners won't mine less, especially high-end miners. It'll keep new miners from coming in, but the guys who have been doing it a while have invested gobs and gobs of ISK and SP in to mining, they can not in the short term exit mining because they would be scraping whatever investments they had. The kind of investments required for high-end mining dictate that you have to keep going on in order to recover your investments.
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Ket Halpak
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.05 06:28:00 -
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EvEs economy is governed by supply and demand (also i would asume some dev involvment).
Wars are costly. With a war comes a need for ships, ammo, drone, mods etc. But these all come at a price, either mins or ISK. A good corp always has a large stockpile of mins stored for quick injections of ISK for when it is needed. When a corp/alliance needs that isk, they dump their minerals (usually highends) on the market causing an increase in supply of those minerals.
Zydryne has been hit badly as it is the most mined ore in 0.0 is crokite, which contains the most zydryne per refine run, also crokite and other 0.0 ores contain zydryne, so corps/alliances would have large stockpiles of it.
An increase in demand for a mineral will drive up its value. With revelations came new, more powerfull ships, which carried with them higher mineral costs, also quite a few macro miners were banned, who opperate in the safety of empire and mine low ends from dt to dt. Supply was hit with the removal of a large number of macros and demand increased with the new ships just crying out to be built. Low ends became scarece, miners and traders seized this oportunity and raised their prices.
It's all to do with supply and demand. Eventually it will sort itself out once it becomes more established. Just a tip, what goes up must come down and vice versa, try hoarding you highends untill the market starts its swing back up.
The usuall crap here about how i do not represent my corp/alliance
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David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.05 07:20:00 -
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There is some nice BSAC analysis on the "true cost" of minerals in an ideal world without macrominers. I'd suggest having a glance at it, as it seems to pertain to this quesetion. It put the true Zydrine price right around where it is now.
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Stasis Master
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Posted - 2007.02.05 21:29:00 -
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I have an associate who claims to be able to reel in about 50k-70k units of zydrine every five hours from NPCing the drone rats and reprocessing the compounds they drop in one of the new regions... can anyone say "insane supply"?
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.05 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ascelot Junior
Originally by: Relevohs
stuff
To summarise, BoB.
I blame me. Wait, huh? 
If highs are so low and lows so high, then mine lows. You can view the market trends and see where stuff is going.
Best way to support mineral prices? Start making stuff and get it blow'd up. Last time I checked, the prices of bs-s in empire are still rising. There is quite a healthy conflict in the south still and fighting going on all over the map.
As predicted, the new regions are becoming a manufacturer's paradise.
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Alexi Johns
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Posted - 2007.02.07 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Stasis Master
I have an associate who claims to be able to reel in about 50k-70k units of zydrine every five hours from NPCing the drone rats and reprocessing the compounds they drop in one of the new regions... can anyone say "insane supply"?
Thats over the top, why bother mining if you can do that :/
If true i feel CCP really need to reconsider the type of drop rouge drones have.
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Helox
Gallente
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.09 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Johns
Originally by: Stasis Master
I have an associate who claims to be able to reel in about 50k-70k units of zydrine every five hours from NPCing the drone rats and reprocessing the compounds they drop in one of the new regions... can anyone say "insane supply"?
Thats over the top, why bother mining if you can do that :/
If true i feel CCP really need to reconsider the type of drop rouge drones have.
Thats gonna be hard. Don't forget that drones have no bounty, so the minerals are there to compensate for that. I bet they did this on purpose, to lower the proce of highend ore. Too bad it isn't showing, since low ends are rising... So in the end, still no cheaper ships, but I make a lot less mining or NPC-ing drones 
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.13 07:22:00 -
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All BOB's fault
Its the new rouge drone regions. People ratting there rake in tons of zyd instead of bounties. So instead of spending isk they inject millions of units of zyd into the market.
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Mira deVorsha
Caldari
Boards.ie
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Posted - 2007.02.14 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ascelot Junior
If mineral prices fall = miners mine less
If mineral prices increase = miners mine more
Will balance not be achieved this way?
Repeat after me 'the sky is not falling'
Nail on the head. The whole game moves from supply/demand fluctuating. Salvage is a good example (short term). When it started everyone and their mother was out to get salvage because people were paying so much for it. now the market has balanced (or collapsed depending how you look at it) as people know just doing missions makes more money. Less salvage prices go up a little.
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