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BayneNothos United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners 167	Posted - 2016.02.21 02:59:06 - [1] - Quote From EVE NT http://imgur.com/7frnn2x TL;DR: Online status only shown when the watchlisting is mutual. I'm sure most of us are going to adjust just fine, especially those of us who have a few accounts / a ton of dudes and can sprinkle scout alts around the place. I'm a bit worried about the smaller (<10 in corp) entities I see everywhere in lower W space these days tho. The only real way to protect themselves from a camper has been the watchlist. I'm also sad I'm going to have to set my clients to auto reject convo's to plug that intel hole.
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4817	Posted - 2016.02.21 05:26:09 - [2] - Quote Eh, sure it makes thing a bit harder but that's a good thing. The watchlist never really made sense to work the way it did. PS: could be neat to introduce something like a locator agent that could ping your watchlist and tell you who's online if they're in kspace. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Iyokus Patrouette Empty Vessels 948	Posted - 2016.02.21 22:28:24 - [3] - Quote how has this gotten through. i would have expected all the titan hunters would be up in arms over their watchlists? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Apex Bex Empty Vessels 47	Posted - 2016.02.21 23:45:43 - [4] - Quote I've used watch lists when hunting and have in turn been hunted with the assistance of watch lists and I think this is pretty damn awful for W-Space in general to remove it. You see a Depot, MTU or wrecks on D-Scan but no ships, you can at least see if the owner is even logged on and make appropriate preparations. Now you may as well just move on to the next system unless you feel like camping the system for a few hours on nothing more than wishful thinking. I know there are those that think it's game breaking intel, but I see it as game making intel. If you can't see them in local, at least give me the opportunity to see if they're even online. All I see here is more hours wasted hunting those that aren't even there. Disciple of Bob
Trinkets friend Empty Vessels 2996	Posted - 2016.02.22 07:10:58 - [5] - Quote Some organisations have people with more hours to waste than others. For some people, they don't have what would normally be called an attention span. I mean, by way of analogy, have you ever seen a gold fish close its eyes? Those sort of people with that sort of intellect, when crammed into a wormhole, will sit there gulping bubbles mindlessly because they think it's cool. Lack of watchlists won't affect them. ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative 104	Posted - 2016.02.22 13:57:25 - [6] - Quote Yeah without local the watchlists can be really helpful, it can make the difference between sitting around watching a pos for hours or knowing that the pilot you saw warp out of there 10 minutes ago has logged off. That said, I do know some players who constantly leave all their alts logged in while on an extended hunt just to mess with their prey and make watchlisting them pointless. In this case maybe getting rid of watchlists could be considered a coup for environmentally minded eve players . It's definitely a mixed bag, I've used watchlists to get intel before, but it's not something I couldn't live without. Making people work for their intel isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Iyokus Patrouette Empty Vessels 959	Posted - 2016.02.22 22:11:41 - [7] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: have you ever seen a gold fish close its eyes? . I just naturally assumed they closed their eyes when i closed mine... like some sort of cheap parlor trick ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Droidster Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 198	Posted - 2016.02.23 22:09:31 - [8] - Quote Iyokus Patrouette wrote: how has this gotten through. i would have expected all the titan hunters would be up in arms over their watchlists? What you are forgetting is all the devs and other insiders that have titans.
gaymeuh Eureka holding 0	Posted - 2016.02.23 23:02:27 - [9] - Quote If you remove the watch list also removes the local in 0.0 ....
Leeluvv Polarized 71	Posted - 2016.02.24 22:18:18 - [10] - Quote Citadels and the removal of contact watch lists is going to have a bigger impact on wormholes than many realise, as you are removing a huge amount of intelligence/situation awareness. All we'll have left is the equivalent of null-sec roams, but in wormhole space instead.

unimatrix0030 Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle 224	Posted - 2016.02.25 06:33:32 - [11] - Quote Maybe it is time to start thinking of getting more active ways of getting intel. Not just eyes in system but maybe something else? With added benefits but with disadvantages... . No local in null sec would fix everything!
Iyokus Patrouette Empty Vessels 1042	Posted - 2016.02.25 06:57:52 - [12] - Quote unimatrix0030 wrote: Maybe it is time to start thinking of getting more active ways of getting intel. Not just eyes in system but maybe something else? With added benefits but with disadvantages... . Newbros in herons on every wormhole and at every POS? ---- Advocate for the initiation of purple coloured wormholes----
Willy Shattner Spirit Unlimited La Division Bleue 0	Posted - 2016.02.25 07:48:02 - [13] - Quote Watchlist removed , no possibility to see who is connected in citadel , end of PVP corp in wormhole ........................ But maybe it is what ccp dream ...............
unimatrix0030 Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle 225	Posted - 2016.02.25 22:59:56 - [14] - Quote If i remeber correctly, we asked to be able to see how many people are online in the citadel when cloaked(show info). More info should be availabe when using a ship/cargo scanner on the citadel. That would be a good example of befinits and disadvantages. Lets hope ccp implements it this way. Not sure if they even mentioned that in the devblogs. Now we need to think of something similar just for finding people... . No local in null sec would fix everything!
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 11012	Posted - 2016.02.25 23:10:53 - [15] - Quote Welcome to Monday Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Apollo Eros Mafia Redux Feign Disorder 130	Posted - 2016.02.26 01:09:03 - [16] - Quote It has been a while since I used a locator agent. But do they not provide the ability to let you know if the user is online or not? [Triple OG LVL 5 Space Wizard]
Michael1995 Lazerhawks 223	Posted - 2016.02.26 01:56:05 - [17] - Quote Now all they need to do is start reducing the lifetime and spawnrate of wormhole connections... Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks Citizens, Isogen 5, No Vacancies, Sky Fighters, Sleeper Social Club. Join up for swag drake ganks with guardian fleets and chain rolling C1s for more dank drake ganks!
Apex Bex Empty Vessels 48	Posted - 2016.02.26 03:06:40 - [18] - Quote Apollo Eros wrote: It has been a while since I used a locator agent. But do they not provide the ability to let you know if the user is online or not? A locator doesn't work on people in Wormholes at all, you just get some canned response saying they're out of the agent's scope of influence. So not only do you not know where they are, you also don't know if they're logged in. Disciple of Bob
Sten Taxi Hotline K162 32	Posted - 2016.02.26 08:39:56 - [19] - Quote Michael1995 wrote: Now all they need to do is start reducing the lifetime and spawnrate of wormhole connections... They did that over 6 months ago. I agree with watchlists going though, it is an overpowered intel tool. The main drawback being esclations just got even safer.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 372	Posted - 2016.02.27 01:45:49 - [20] - Quote Removal of watchlists is concerning as it removes another intel tool and makes time wasting more likely. Larger concern is that we will no longer have ships floating in force fields after citadels. With no local, ships floating (after piloted verification) was one of best indicators if a wormhole was active and maybe gearing up for some PVE/PVP activity. If u had piloted floating ships it was worthwhile to put a scout on the POS to see if fun times could be had. Content in wormholes is gong to be much harder to find after Spring.. We are basically limited to endless warping through chains pinging dscan for wrecks, rage rolling or seeding now.. Im hoping but not confident that CCP comes up with some other mechanic to allow intel for those of us that live without local. I really hope that we will see changes in the lights of citadels if there are piloted ships docked. and being able to use a ship scanner to see what ships are piloted and docked would be very useful. eg if two marauders are docked with many sites in system I might stay around... if its two buzzards Il probably move on to next system. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !

Michael1995 Lazerhawks 224	Posted - 2016.02.27 04:47:02 - [21] - Quote Sten Taxi wrote: They did that over 6 months ago. I agree with watchlists going though, it is an overpowered intel tool. The main drawback being esclations just got even safer. That was sarcasm. I remember when they removed WH API, saying how they will replace it with gameplay, where you would have to drop an anchorable to gather the data as you would at the time. I'm still waiting on that. I agree that the watchlist is OP, but removing it and not replacing it with something is just going to make the lives of hunters more difficult, and the bears even safer. Not that it will matter soon, with the dread gun changes capital escalations in their current form will be worthless, unless you(smart)bomb sleepers. Signs have pointed towards them redoing/removing capital escalations around if not at the same time as that release though. Surely they wouldn't leave them as is, right? Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks Citizens, Isogen 5, No Vacancies, Sky Fighters, Sleeper Social Club. Join up for swag drake ganks with guardian fleets and chain rolling C1s for more dank drake ganks!
Trinkets friend Empty Vessels 3002	Posted - 2016.02.27 05:32:37 - [22] - Quote What should happen is that if you rock up to a Citadel in w-space, you get to join the owning corporation's Corp chat channel to see if any of them are logged in. ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Suzanne Khale Khale Privateer 4	Posted - 2016.02.27 16:26:59 - [23] - Quote Goodbye added haulers pilots in POS which made me jump 2-3 WHs back when get online, and give some hauler kills. Let's make WH life safer.
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4817	Posted - 2016.02.28 21:42:56 - [24] - Quote Ah yes, here we see the classic WH population response: Expected impact of change on wh life: 'OMFG, the world is ending, whs are done for!' Actually impact of change on wh life: 'wait, they changed something?' There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Trinkets friend Empty Vessels 3007	Posted - 2016.02.29 01:24:58 - [25] - Quote I think the watchlist changes aren't a big deal right now because you can still peer into the crystal ball of the POS shield. When the Citadels arrive and you can't see who's around, life is going to change a lot. I think it's too early to call everyone who is wary of the WL changes a bunch of whining ingrates. ~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Michael1995 Lazerhawks 224	Posted - 2016.02.29 01:59:45 - [26] - Quote Nah nah, listen to Jack, the Revelation is also the best PVE dread! Selling WH CFC Standings 10b/month for +10 with: Lazerhawks, Hard Knocks Citizens, Isogen 5, No Vacancies, Sky Fighters, Sleeper Social Club. Join up for swag drake ganks with guardian fleets and chain rolling C1s for more dank drake ganks!
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 387	Posted - 2016.02.29 02:28:52 - [27] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: I think the watchlist changes aren't a big deal right now because you can still peer into the crystal ball of the POS shield. When the Citadels arrive and you can't see who's around, life is going to change a lot. I think it's too early to call everyone who is wary of the WL changes a bunch of whining ingrates. This is pretty much the elephant in the room. Watchlist removal we can deal with...but with everyone hidden in citadels.. scouting becomes signicantly harder and more time consuming as you cant dscan for ships in citadel/POS as a quick indicator of that wormholes current activiity level. Was hoping that our current and future WH CSM reps would be all over this.... but I guess its not on Goons or PLs radar Its going to be great for people who just use wormholes as farmholes though.. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Frank Armour EntroPraetorian Academy EntroPraetorian Aegis 7	Posted - 2016.02.29 02:49:23 - [28] - Quote I'm not a WH hunter or dweller so you can already use that argument against me but I really don't get what is all this fuzz about loosing that precious intel... You never had this intel (see in stations/citadels) anywhere else and you are now going to be on even ground with WH dwellers. You used to just get in there without nobody noticing you and then hide near a POS. You can see the ships the guy have, his habits, hell, you could even figure out the planets where he did his PI for ...sake. Now you'll actually have to catch him when he's out of his citadel and without knowing what he is going to fly if he comes back to his citadel!!! I call this a move from CCP to even out the field in WH and encouraging people to set up shops in WH. And -1 on the idea of making a cloaky ship that can target and scan. You have to think of the useage outside of WH space. That'd be too overpowered.
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 387	Posted - 2016.02.29 03:11:15 - [29] - Quote Frank Armour wrote: I'm not a WH hunter or dweller so you can already use that argument against me but I really don't get what is all this fuzz about loosing that precious intel... You never had this intel (see in stations/citadels) anywhere else and you are now going to be on even ground with WH dwellers. You used to just get in there without nobody noticing you and then hide near a POS. You can see the ships the guy have, his habits, hell, you could even figure out the planets where he did his PI for ...sake. Now you'll actually have to catch him when he's out of his citadel and without knowing what he is going to fly if he comes back to his citadel!!! I call this a move from CCP to even out the field in WH and encouraging people to set up shops in WH. And -1 on the idea of making a cloaky ship that can target and scan. You have to think of the useage outside of WH space. That'd be too overpowered. Your forgeting the huge intel advantage K space has.... LOCAL. Without local WH dwellers need other ways to see if people are present. Without spending an hour in each system hoping someone comes out of a citadel. LOL people like you have had their content handed to them by FCs and scouts.. and just think it just magically happens without intel gathering or work. Remove the ability to gather intel you remove content. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Jack Miton Anomalous Existence Low-Class 4819	Posted - 2016.02.29 05:35:05 - [30] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: I think the watchlist changes aren't a big deal right now because you can still peer into the crystal ball of the POS shield. When the Citadels arrive and you can't see who's around, life is going to change a lot. I think it's too early to call everyone who is wary of the WL changes a bunch of whining ingrates. That's an issue with Citadels in general. It's one I, and many others, immediately called out when CCP first announced docking in wspace, but it has little to nothing to do with watchlists. citadels will certainly change wh life, no question there. for the worse though? well, it will not appeal to some portion of the wspace population who like the stealthy scouting hunting aspect, and i certainly include myself in this group, but it also will appeal to many other people I expect so it's a trade off in the end. There is no Bob. Stuck In Here With Me: http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe: http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout



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