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VanillaChacolate	Posted - 2007.02.04 18:49:00 - [1] Are torps or cruise missiles better for a raven and why?
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.02.04 18:52:00 - [2] torps = slow, loads damage, hits large targets better cruise = fast, nice damage, hits small targets better Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.04 19:13:00 - [3] PvP - torp ffs USE TORPS -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.04 20:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Valandril PvP - torp ffs USE TORPS Only if < 20km.. past that they are useless.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.02.04 20:10:00 - [5] Unless you're fighting a capital ship ^^
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.04 20:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Tunajuice Originally by: Valandril PvP - torp ffs USE TORPS Only if < 20km.. past that they are useless. If ur bringing raven into gunfight... -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Duchess Galenna Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:48:00 - [7] I prefer cruises in general for pvp. T2 precisions or fury's as the situation dictates, and it's a lot more versatile than torpedoes. Torps can be a good choice if you can go T2 on them, as you can fit javelin's as needed, which with their increased speed can give you a decent engagement range, and rage torp damage is just sickening.
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:09:00 - [8] Depends what you are fighting. Cruise are great if you know you'll be fighting a load of fast cruisers and hacs. Torps are better for a bigger engagement with plenty of bs and bcs.
Iudex Caldari CaIdari Navy	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:42:00 - [9] Cruises are not good except in missions. In pvp they will make you lose. You get a max dps of around 500 with them (tech 2 launchers, tech 2 cruises, 3 tech 2 bcu, skills near maxout). This sucks. Other BS will do up to 1300 dps on you. And if you like to fight against something smaller then BC, a drake will be better than a cruisemissile raven. So for missions cruises are ok, for pvp better take torps. L...i...b...e...r...a...t...e.........C...a...l...d...a...r...i........P...r...i...m...e.!
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:36:00 - [10] Quote: Other BS will do up to 1300 dps on you. Uh what regular pvp bs will do 1300 dps? A cruise raven can fit an awesome tank by the way, and tank alot of dps.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Quote: Other BS will do up to 1300 dps on you. Uh what regular pvp bs will do 1300 dps? A cruise raven can fit an awesome tank by the way, and tank alot of dps. T2 hyperion T2 mega goes only for aroun 1,2k Feel teh power of gunz -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:46:00 - [12] torps ftw!! Honestly I can use t2 torps and can't use t2 cruise that's why I use torps but i like em gank raven ftw: 6x siege II with rage 3x LSE II, 1x disruptor, 2x TP 4x BCU II, 1x DCU II
chiXu1 Caldari Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Iudex Cruises are not good except in missions. In pvp they will make you lose. You get a max dps of around 500 with them (tech 2 launchers, tech 2 cruises, 3 tech 2 bcu, skills near maxout). This sucks. Other BS will do up to 1300 dps on you. And if you like to fight against something smaller then BC, a drake will be better than a cruisemissile raven. So for missions cruises are ok, for pvp better take torps. Can do more DPS than that with cruise fury and good skills, can fit a great tank and has generally served me very well in PvP situations. Cruise precision...well, those inty's will soon regret hitting their MWD when a volley of these little beauties hit them. Revelations Inc. Recruiting
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:11:00 - [14] Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 13:13:33 Originally by: chiXu1 Originally by: Iudex Cruises are not good except in missions. In pvp they will make you lose. You get a max dps of around 500 with them (tech 2 launchers, tech 2 cruises, 3 tech 2 bcu, skills near maxout). This sucks. Other BS will do up to 1300 dps on you. And if you like to fight against something smaller then BC, a drake will be better than a cruisemissile raven. So for missions cruises are ok, for pvp better take torps. Can do more DPS than that with cruise fury and good skills, can fit a great tank and has generally served me very well in PvP situations. Cruise precision...well, those inty's will soon regret hitting their MWD when a volley of these little beauties hit them. U can dish more than 1300dps with cruise missiles ? Sir are you using hax ? A bit math (all needes skills lvl5 + 3t2 bcu) Torp raven: 619dps Cruise raven: 373dps + drones -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Natasha Kerensky The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:29:00 - [15] [quote] A bit math (all needes skills lvl5 + 3t2 bcu) Torp raven: 619dps Cruise raven: 373dps + 5 med/light drones Blasters Hyperion: 1085dps Railgun Hyperion: 638dps +4 heavy drones and instadmg :wink: are you sure those numbers are right?
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:06:00 - [16] Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 15:05:50 Originally by: Natasha Kerensky [quote] A bit math (all needes skills lvl5 + 3t2 bcu) Torp raven: 619dps Cruise raven: 373dps + 5 med/light drones Blasters Hyperion: 1085dps Railgun Hyperion: 638dps +4 heavy drones and instadmg :wink: are you sure those numbers are right? Very right, checked couple times(at least data from qfit, i dont take resposibility for qfit) -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Larshus Magrus Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:29:00 - [17] You are assuming no transversal and 100% hit ratio. How well do the gun boats do with tranversal? My guess is that you don't have tracking mods fit which will lower the dps... not alot but a bit. Could be wrong though. In a real engagement (read LAG) the numbers don't quite stack up that way. The ability to set and forget a missile boat when you are lagged and cant stay ontop of tansversal evens things out. If its small gang or 1 on one then those setups work... but honestly who uses a t2 thron in a small gang set up for gank besides possibly a gate camp? The whole point is in a real engagement the numbers are closer than they first appear. That said instant damage is still a big advantage.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:36:00 - [18] Yes thats true u never get 100% hit ration, but neither do missiles, enemy can warpout or simply be dead. To fight with traversal, fit good (82,5%+) web and i can assure u that hes not going anywhere, also traversal will be small. Thron on rails dont have problem with instahiting at 50km, blast ships dont have problem hitting on close range - web helps a lot. Also about speed, torps will get reduction from anything that moves, and guns lower chance to hit, this is balanced. Anyway, more ppl == missiles less usefull because of not dealing instadmg to target. -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
Natasha Kerensky The Company Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.02.06 08:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 05/02/2007 15:05:50 Originally by: Natasha Kerensky [quote] A bit math (all needes skills lvl5 + 3t2 bcu) Torp raven: 619dps Cruise raven: 373dps + 5 med/light drones Blasters Hyperion: 1085dps Railgun Hyperion: 638dps +4 heavy drones and instadmg :wink: are you sure those numbers are right? Very right, checked couple times(at least data from qfit, i dont take resposibility for qfit) i didnt realize there was that big a gap between torps and cruise. Is there a DPS calc program out there? Or does quickfit have a dps thing built in that i dont know about?
Elenor Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.02.06 09:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Elenor on 06/02/2007 08:59:37 For gankage i would prefer torps, t2s ofc. Cruise for fleet Torps can dish out loads of damage, problem is range, so for smaller fights or gankage a t2 raven seems a goo idea as u get there mostly close. For bigger gangs, most fight happen at 150k or something, i would here prefer cruise t2s due to the fact that i would focus on hacs/BC and cruiers and therefore cms are the better idea. To make that a bit more clear, t2 torps go as fast as t2 cms. with is something like 8k, just skills, but those t2 torps have a lack of damage against smaller ships. oh and olav, how often did i tell u Raven tank sucks in PVP :D
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:02:00 - [21] I'm using gfit buildin dps meter. And once again RAVEN SUX loosers :P Train for guns -------- Don't like my post ? Mail me Flamedrone II belonging to Valandril perfectly strikes you, wrecking your topic.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:07:00 - [22] Burn Eden has been doing well with T2 cruise ravens as of late......

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