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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:13:44 -
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here's my take on what's happening:
If you have visited the character bazaar lately, you know what i'm talking about; price for characters has more than doubled since the injectors launch.
to understand where i'm trying to get some math is in order:
Before you could get a 70 mil. sp character for around 25 billion (I got a nice focused 20 mil.SP toon for 8.5 bill 2 weeks before intectors) now days, if you want a 70 mil.SP toon you need to bring 50 bil. to the table.
what was CCP's take on that? you're right 2 plex. no matter what was the amount of the transaction CCP's bite was always 2 plex (roughly 2.4 billion). now, players realized pretty soon they could get way more farming said characters. so here's CCP's take on that same 70 mil.SP toon once farmed = 130 injectors @ 280mil. avg. = 36BILLION (just for extractors). who sells extractors? you got it... CCP. so a transaction that before yielded CCP 2 plex (2.4bill) now yields them 15 TIMES MORE THAN BEFORE. of the resulting injectors, when sold, Tax/brokers fees are charged as well...
"to help new players develop their characters without having to wait" was supossedly the purpose of Injectors.
well, people could do that all right before by buying characters from the bazaar at reasonable prices, now it's just impossible if you go the injectors route, and if you want to get a toon, it's pretty steep too. so maybe CCP failed to state SP injectors purpose was to "help new players that make over 150k a year" and can dish out $1000.00 dollars to buy plex, sell it, and then go buy injectors (those are CCP's dreamed customers)
so here is where i think all this is going:
high sp characters are going to become more and more scarce as time goes by, 2003 characters are going to be relics and prices are gonna get unaffordable for anyone shorter than a millionaire. (I mean u can see lots of dealers in the bazaar paying ridiculous prices right now) in the mean time, CCP is gonna make a killing off of those farmed Characters selling extractors like hotcakes.
then when we have very few high sp characters left for sale, that's when CCP's gonna start creating SP out of thin air; and this is gonna be their reasoning: "since all that SP was lost during the farming process, we're gonna open a batch of CCP Produced injectors to balance out the SP pool and leave it the way it was before" (or something along those lines)
so in short, I think it comes down to what we all know, this is not/never been about helping new players (if it was, extractors would cost 10k ISK, and there would be no lost SP in the process) all CCP wants is to strip the game from HIGH SP Characters, and make a killing off of Player's multi-year subscription that has costed them an arm and a leg by leeching on the final product with the help of extractors.
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:20:55 -
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Better get your 2003 character today
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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:23:43 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:Better get your 2003 character today
you got that right, prices are only going up. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:34:26 -
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alindak Kahoudi wrote:
to understand where i'm trying to get some math is in order:
Sadly, though, you have failed to inject anything but hysteria in your post.
May I have your SP when you ragequit?
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:36:24 -
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alindak Kahoudi wrote:...
Prehaps! I'm've was to make football often times. Play? Know. Best football results twice again. Every age I have seen out as a baby. I think I has the solution: width times height. As a wery old, I can fathom the scene to be with me. Looking always as I ever did. It was not came's. He borrowed mine. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.02.22 20:43:45 -
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stg slate wrote:alindak Kahoudi wrote:... Prehaps! I'm've was to make football often times. Play? Know. Best football results twice again. Every age I have seen out as a baby. I think I has the solution: width times height. As a wery old, I can fathom the scene to be with me. Looking always as I ever did. It was not came's. He borrowed mine.
What he said...er...didn't say...er...okay...some of it was real words.
In any case. A solid post and a most apropos response to the OP..
Mr Epeen 
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.02.22 21:01:55 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:stg slate wrote:alindak Kahoudi wrote:... Prehaps! I'm've was to make football often times. Play? Know. Best football results twice again. Every age I have seen out as a baby. I think I has the solution: width times height. As a wery old, I can fathom the scene to be with me. Looking always as I ever did. It was not came's. He borrowed mine. What he said...er...didn't say...er...okay...some of it was real words. In any case. A solid post and a most apropos response to the OP.. Mr Epeen
Prior to your post I thought he was drunk
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.02.22 21:05:28 -
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What makes you think people fail to see? |
Cixi
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Posted - 2016.02.22 21:19:22 -
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If you think they are too much ISKs, wait until extractors go off sale on the AUR store and see what happen. |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
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Posted - 2016.02.22 21:40:35 -
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There's people that expected this to happen.
Once they noticed how ccp treated the feedback and proposals for changes tof the initial (and second) devblog's strategies/models, they probably came to the conclusion that "disussing" the topic was nothing ccp really considered at all.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.22 21:52:03 -
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Sorry, but your "reasonable prices" in the Character Bazaar were ****, for sellers. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:14:41 -
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alindak Kahoudi wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Better get your 2003 character today you got that right, prices are only going up.
Until things stabilize. Basically, the SP on the character bazaar was under priced. When extractors/injectors came along there was an arbitrage opportunity that some people took advantage of and now the SP on the character bazaar is more reflective of the time spent to train that SP.
Markets working as intended. Competition working as intended.
Edit:
Oh, and given the negative sum nature of using SP injectors past 5 million SP, SP being sunk out of game make the remaining SP in game more valuable.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
4751
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:19:19 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Sorry, but your "reasonable prices" in the Character Bazaar were ****, for sellers.
Also, high SP characters are created by injectors, so there should be more of them. I'm not seeing any Alliance complaining that they lost their capital pilots; on the contrary, now they have more, thanks to injectors. High SP characters aren't endangered.
Otherwise, yeah, the extractors and all the PLEX sales are making CCP a lot of profits. We all knew this 3 months ago; it's not something new.
Hmmm...
Can you walk us through the math on this. Because SP injectors are at best a zero sum game, and almost surely a negative sum game.
Let's say I want to make a 100 million SP character...where are those SP coming from?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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stg slate
We're Kind of a Big Deal
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:30:54 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote:Prior to your post I thought he was drunk
No not drunk, if I have to read 1000 separate threads about how skill injectors are killing our pets and raping our children and burning our lands and making our women lament then I am at the very least going to **** those threads up a bit.
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:42:50 -
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stg slate wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote:Prior to your post I thought he was drunk No not drunk, if I have to read 1000 separate threads about how skill injectors are killing our pets and raping our children and burning our lands and making our women lament then I am at the very least going to **** those threads up a bit.
At least it gave me a good laugh, you know, when the coin dropped.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.22 22:51:28 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Let's say I want to make a 100 million SP character...where are those SP coming from?
Sure.
You buy SP in the form of injectors from Jita.
Currently the SP come from "I didn't want that character anyway", and pretty soon they'll come from "oh those are my SP farm accounts, that's how I make my income."
Currently (prices will change, of course), you pay $10.95 per month (with a year subscription plan) and approx $10 for 3 extractors, and you get 1.8B ISK. Or you just pay the subscription ($10.95) and get 3 * (extractor - injector) price difference, 1B.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2016.02.22 23:01:20 -
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People are not making high SP characters to sell on the Bazaar. They are buying high SP characters to strip down and fill injectors, for resale. Things will stabilize when the price per SP is about the same no mater how you get it, the three ways being:
Buy a PLEX and train an alt for a month
Buy injectors
Buy a character
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1097
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Posted - 2016.02.23 00:22:18 -
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I wish CCP hadn't changed the original 50k sp per injector for chars > 80m sp  .
Remove insurance.
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Kaivar Lancer
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2016.02.23 00:39:55 -
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yes |
koenkoard
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.23 00:53:43 -
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Player driven economy my ass... |
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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.23 02:01:42 -
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Bumblefck wrote:alindak Kahoudi wrote:
to understand where i'm trying to get some math is in order:
Sadly, though, you have failed to inject anything but hysteria in your post. May I have your SP when you ragequit?
Nah man, IGÇÖm not going anywhere, I still enjoy the game, just calling it the way I see it. It does affect me however, IGÇÖve purchased several characters from the bazaar in the past, and it was a good way to upgrade your toon, you could get good deals from time to time. Now itGÇÖs just impossible.
The fact remains that the ulterior motive for injectors was to strip high sp characters from players that had already paid game time during several years to develop them. Now CCP comes up with extractors and jumps in the profits with a percentage of around 42% of the injector cost (price of the extractor) out of thin air.
Nothing wrong with speaking your mind. The problem with you ponies / nay sayers (always the same ones) is that you think nothing can be acomplished, and that everything will always remain the same. Hopeless and just appreciative of whatever it is CCP throws at you as if sucking *** would net u a discount on plex prices.
Where as me, and all the others that have brought up their concerns believe that if your post is read GÇ£XGÇ¥ amount of times, itGÇÖll no foubt make waves (little as they might be) itGÇÖs still better than just closing ur eyes and biting the pillow. ;) |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.23 02:03:46 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:
Buy a PLEX and train an alt for a month
Buy injectors
Buy a character
People keep looking at it from a buyer's point of view.
In fact prices are going to be controlled by the Bazaar character traders and in-game market speculators, who are looking at it from a seller's point of view; specifically 105.5 million SP is worth the 200 injectors that they can sell from the character, not the 356 injectors it takes to build 105.5 million SP from 0.
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Daerrol
Death By Design
Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2016.02.23 15:07:34 -
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koenkoard wrote:Player driven economy my ass...
This is 100% player driven. We created the SP by training. We created the skill injectors. We set the ISK price on all of this ****. That there is a bubble is not CCP's fault. |
Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
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Posted - 2016.02.24 02:06:33 -
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I'd cry with you but I make my toons the old fashioned way.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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