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Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.02.05 09:44:00 - [1] In the light of recent wars one thing has become more and more clear. It is that Star Fraction seeks to establish a domination over the cluster completely different from any known in history. The domination at which the Fractionists aim is not limited to the displacement of the balance of power and the imposition of supremacy of one nation. It seeks the systematic and total destruction of those conquered, and it does not treaty with the entities whichthey have subdued. They destroy them. They take from them their whole political and economic existence and seeks even to deprive them of their history and their culture. They wish to consider them only as vital space and a vacant territory over which they have every right. The human beings who constitute these entities are for them only cattle. The Fraction order their massacre or their migration, compelling them to make room for their conquerors. They do not even take the trouble to impose any war tribute on them. The Fraction just takes all their wealth, and, to prevent any revolt, wipes out their leaders and scientifically seeks the physical and moral degradation of those whose independence taken away. Under this domination, in countless corporations there are untold numbers of human beings now living in misery which, some months ago, they could never have imagined. Their whole peoples have been deprived of the means of moral and material happiness. Subdued by treachery or brutal violence, they have no other recourse than to work for their executioners who grant them scarcely enough to assure the most miserable existence. There is being created a world of masters and slaves in the image of Star Fraction herself. For, while Star Fraction is crushing beneath her tyranny the men of every race and language, she is herself being crushed beneath her own servitude and her domination mania. The Star Fraction worker and pilot are the slaves of their masters while the worker and peasant of other corporations have become in turn slaves of these slaves. Before this first realization of a mad dream, the whole cluster might shudder. Star Fraction propaganda is entirely founded on the exploitation of the weakness of the human heart. It does not address itself to the strong or the heroic. It tells the rich they are going to lose their money. It tells the worker this is a rich man's war. It tells the intellectual and the artist that all he cherished is being destroyed by war. It tells the lover of good things that soon he would have none of them. It says to the believer: "How can you accept this massacre?" It tells the adventurer - "a man like you should profit by the misfortunes of your people." It is those who speak this way who have destroyed or confiscated all the wealth they could lay their hands on, who have reduced their workers to slavery, who have ruined all intellectual liberty, who have imposed terrible privations on hundreds of men and women and who have made murder their law. What do contradictions matter to them if they can lower the resistance of those who wish to bar the path of their ambitions to be masters of the world? For us there is more to do than merely win the war. We shall win it, but we must also win a victory far greater than that of arms. In this world of masters and slaves, which those madmen who rule the Fraction are seeking to forge, we must also save liberty and human dignity. --- We are Recruiting!
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:49:00 - [2] To call the Fractionist's aim "slavery" is to greatly debase that Holy institution. What they wish is far far fouler: subjugation without purpose, without meaning, other than promotion of their foolish idealism. No redemption, no enlightenment, only destruction. It is a seizing of power while trying to ignore the responsibilities of it. "To rule is to serve", but the Fractionists merely seek to impose their will upon others without taking any burden upon themselves. Irresponsible and dangerous, but the Fractionist ideologue has a foundation in dreams, not reality.
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 10:55:00 - [3] Bravo Thuul'Khalat! Well constructed, well written and all in all a laudable attempt at subversion and misrepresentation. However, I have one suggestion: next time, consider carefully the wisdom of trying to present your chosen target ideology as something diametrically opposite of what it is. Unless you can safely assume that your target audience knows absolutely nothing of the ideology in question, or alternatively are utterly devoid of reason, it is generally advisable to construct a lie that lies as close as possible to the truth, rather than one as far removed as you have elected to do. As it is, anyone who has read and at least partially grasped the credo of the Star Fraction will immediately know you for what you are: a propagandist and liar. Still, full marks for effort.
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.02.05 11:42:00 - [4] Hardly a suprising attempt at denial, an unfortunate side-effect of your slavery to the mad designers behind the Fraction. While you may have been blinded and brainwashed I would expect those with a clear vision and some basic senses to easily see through the Fractions thin veil of propaganda. --- We are Recruiting!
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:01:00 - [5] What's there to deny? In all honesty, denial would be pointless and a waste of breath when considering that your conclusions above are as believable as if you had said: "the Amarr Empire is utterly opposed to slavery". In short - your original post really warrants no reply at all, except a well-meant word of advice as to how it can be better done next time.
Svanh Mickahl Infinite Dreams Inc	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:25:00 - [6] The time is coming when a major alliance of various factions needs to come together and take down the Star Fraction once and for all. They speak of free will and yet deny it of others. We cannot say we want to side with an existing political body without being attacked, to be safe we are "ordered" to break those ties and hence drop our freedom of choice. Even their propoganda is a joke, less to inform than to simply allow them to hear their own voices. The sad truth the members of the Star Fraction exist to allow a small percentage of their leadership to stroke their ego. For limitless possibilities, you need Infinite Dreams ====================================== Svanh Mickahl CEO, Infinite Dreams
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:15:00 - [7] Verily I say unto thee: wardec or stfu! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
St Nosferatu Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Svanh Mickahl The time is coming when a major alliance of various factions needs to come together and take down the Star Fraction once and for all.... This conjecture is laughable. It is symptomatic of the IGS that people can sit back and criticize others' systems simply by the fact of their own phobia or ignorance and manage to leave out a stupid apostrophe in the process. The opposition used to be smart, but this thread, this one man kills the hope that some of you people actually do have an IQ higher than a germ... Bloodveil MKULTRA Scientist
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:49:00 - [9] Personal attacks, unrelated conjecture, and the false belief that refusing to acknowledge the arguments of the opposition absolves you of the need to refute them. A typical response from the Fractionists and their supporters.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 13:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Lowanaera Personal attacks, unrelated conjecture, and the false belief that refusing to acknowledge the arguments of the opposition absolves you of the need to refute them. A typical response from the Fractionists and their supporters. Are you sure you aren't talking about the original post? We have been open and clear about our ideology and our actions back them up. There is nothing to debate here of any substance.
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:00:00 - [11] Oh, your ideology has been made quite clear numerous times. The point is that the reality of the consequences of your ideology and the means with which you pursue it is radically different than your oft-repeated "noble" notions, a point to which you are either knowingly complicit or willfully ignorant. Either case is dangerous.
Heero Yuy Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:01:00 - [12] Holding up a flea-ridden alleycat and claiming it is a lion does not an argument make. Want a discussion? Then please present a coherent case, based on valid assumptions and sane argumentation. PS - are you, for real, saying that your impression is that the Fraction generally avoids arguments? If so, let me reply by stating: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:02:00 - [13] And the evidence to support these ridiculous claims is where?
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:17:00 - [14] Let's take the most basic principle you hold to start with: the belief that humanity has evolved or is evolving to a state in which traditional power structures are no longer required. You hold that you are evolved beings, "post-humanists", and so wish to create a general state of freedom and equality. Assuming for the sake of argument that this is a "good" ideal as some do (certainly many within the Matari and Gallentean states aspire to spread freedom), let's compare this to the reality of your actions in pursuit of this ideal. You actively work to forcibly destabilize the power structures that you as "enlightened beings" no longer feel necessary. Rather than creating a free state of your own in lawless space that others who have achieved your 'state of enlightenment' can choose to join, you demand that all submit to your ideals and strive to achieve that submission by force, regardless of what those individuals would choose. It doesn't matter that many depend on these structures for their survival and well-being, and do not wish to live in a Fractionist free state, their choice or wish does not matter because it does not match your own. Thus the most basic of freedoms, the freedom of choice, is readily undermined by Fractionists as soon as it is exercised in a manner that does not coincide with furthering Fractionist agenda. One need only look at the corporations and alliances you have attacked unprovoked for evidence of this. Simply espousing ideals in opposition to the Fraction is enough to warrant denial of freedoms and destruction at your hands. Thus it becomes clear that while you espouse freedom (including nominally freedom of choice), rather than working to create an alternative and helping others to achieve a state in which they would choose that alternative over traditional power structures, you instead only destroy that which does not agree with you.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Lowanaera Let's take the most basic principle you hold to start with: the belief that humanity has evolved or is evolving to a state in which traditional power structures are no longer required. You hold that you are evolved beings, "post-humanists", and so wish to create a general state of freedom and equality. Assuming for the sake of argument that this is a "good" ideal as some do (certainly many within the Matari and Gallentean states aspire to spread freedom), let's compare this to the reality of your actions in pursuit of this ideal. You actively work to forcibly destabilize the power structures that you as "enlightened beings" no longer feel necessary. Rather than creating a free state of your own in lawless space that others who have achieved your 'state of enlightenment' can choose to join, you demand that all submit to your ideals and strive to achieve that submission by force, regardless of what those individuals would choose. It doesn't matter that many depend on these structures for their survival and well-being, and do not wish to live in a Fractionist free state, their choice or wish does not matter because it does not match your own. Thus the most basic of freedoms, the freedom of choice, is readily undermined by Fractionists as soon as it is exercised in a manner that does not coincide with furthering Fractionist agenda. One need only look at the corporations and alliances you have attacked unprovoked for evidence of this. Simply espousing ideals in opposition to the Fraction is enough to warrant denial of freedoms and destruction at your hands. Thus it becomes clear that while you espouse freedom (including nominally freedom of choice), rather than working to create an alternative and helping others to achieve a state in which they would choose that alternative over traditional power structures, you instead only destroy that which does not agree with you. Lowanaera, everything you have said has been answered repeatedly in several other threads. Every single thing. I am not going to bother repeating them again here.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 14:48:00 - [16] The op post reads like one of those automatic galnet "complaint generators" with the words "Star Fraction" contributed to the AI code. Star Fraction is recruiting
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 15:36:00 - [17] Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 05/02/2007 15:33:08 When did EM begin to fear the sound of the war drums of freedom? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 16:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Lowanaera Rather than creating a free state of your own in lawless space The concept of a "Fractionist state" is so utterly confused it isn't even funny. Deep down, it's all very simple: ANYONE that by their ideology or general disposition would seek to restrict, restrain, repress or subvert us is a target. Long term, the only way to guarantee freedom for us and anyone harboring the aspiration to be a free, self-empowered individual reaping the fruits of the stars, is to tear down the underlying causes behind people's ambition to lord over their peers. These underlying causes are in our history, and those regressive power structures that we are taught to revere even at our mother's teats. Therefore, anyone aiding in the spreading of such ideas from our obsolete past, is a target in our campaign to defend our future. We invite anyone and everyone with a just heart and free mind to join us in that future. And we invite anyone and everyone that would see our future denied to either serve their war declaration, or prepare for the day we serve ours.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Tatsue Nuko Originally by: Lowanaera Rather than creating a free state of your own in lawless space The concept of a "Fractionist state" is so utterly confused it isn't even funny. nods, we don't seek to build states, and anyone thinking that is our goal is so ignorant of our ideals that they need to go do their research again (or for the first time). We destroy nationalit capsuleer militias and 0.0 territorialists because they are the worst examples of what the future holds, a world where the newly freed capsuleer class is subserviant to the old nations. Your questions have been answered elsewhere, go find the answers.
Rollory Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.05 17:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Nekumi Lowanaera, everything you have said has been answered repeatedly in several other threads. Every single thing. I am not going to bother repeating them again here. And the answers have repeatedly been found to be insufficient or unacceptable, to the point that a common view is that no answers have actually been given. That you do not agree with those characterizations is irrelevant, your opinions of your arguments do not particularly matter on a galactic scale. In order to reach your goals, you have a dual strategy: 1) Convince people of the rightness of your cause. 2) Destroy those who, by refusing to be convinced, actively stand in your way. Either you need to convince a very large number of people, or you need to destroy a very large number of people, or both. Simply repeating the same arguments that invariably bring up the same criticisms will not advance you on the first. Again - it DOES NOT MATTER what is "true" or not. You are completely convinced your arguments are logical and your opponents' are flawed. Your opponents are completely convinced their arguments are logical and yours are flawed. Both "know" themselves to be right, with the full force of logic behind them. Which is correct? That cannot be determined in a simple mathematical sense; this is the court of politics and public opinion, there is no such thing as absolute truth, there is only the averaged opinion and conclusions of trillions - the wisdom of crowds, such as it is. On the topological plane of mental states, humanity has found a local minimum. You claim there is a more optimal solution elsewhere, but requiring a climb over a saddle. How do you prove it is a saddle? Where do you get the energy to move humanity over that saddle? A child playing with a flexible tube, two buckets, and some water can fill the empty one by sucking on the tube until it is full of water, after which the flow happens on its own. Kicking the full bucket is far less likely to work. If your other minimum exists, you cannot get humanity there as long as, by and large, it finds your arguments and refutations unpersuasive. If you cannot convince, it doesn't matter whether you're right or not. You will continue to be shot at indefinitely - or be forced by your own ideology to keep restarting the shooting indefinitely - and will be forced to either destroy the vast majority of humanity, or fail. Let us suppose for a moment that your premises are wrong, and the wisdom of crowds is correct in holding to the traditional structures. Then, too, your only choices are to destroy the majority of humanity, or fail. Or both. I suppose your "answer" to this is that the hypothetical is what's really irrelevant because in between Step 1 of "advocate and shoot" and Step 3 of "the galaxy becomes utopia", Step 2 of "everyone suddenly becomes convinced" will just happen even if you can't prove it. Blind faith that an Amarrian could be proud of. Well, the Blood Raiders are crazy with faith too, but humanity as a whole tolerates them well enough. Where did you make contact with the nonhuman intelligences that came up with this particular self-destructive project, anyway?
Celia Azur Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Celia Azur on 05/02/2007 18:18:47 Before this goes any further I recommend reading this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=466261&page=1#6 and the several posts by The Cosmopolite after. Originally by: Rollory And the answers have repeatedly been found to be insufficient or unacceptable, to the point that a common view is that no answers have actually been given. That you do not agree with those characterizations is irrelevant, your opinions of your arguments do not particularly matter on a galactic scale. In order to reach your goals, you have a dual strategy: 1) Convince people of the rightness of your cause. 2) Destroy those who, by refusing to be convinced, actively stand in your way. Either you need to convince a very large number of people, or you need to destroy a very large number of people, or both. Simply repeating the same arguments that invariably bring up the same criticisms will not advance you on the first. Again - it DOES NOT MATTER what is "true" or not. You are completely convinced your arguments are logical and your opponents' are flawed. Your opponents are completely convinced their arguments are logical and yours are flawed. Both "know" themselves to be right, with the full force of logic behind them. Which is correct? That cannot be determined in a simple mathematical sense; this is the court of politics and public opinion, there is no such thing as absolute truth, there is only the averaged opinion and conclusions of trillions - the wisdom of crowds, such as it is. On the topological plane of mental states, humanity has found a local minimum. You claim there is a more optimal solution elsewhere, but requiring a climb over a saddle. How do you prove it is a saddle? Where do you get the energy to move humanity over that saddle? A child playing with a flexible tube, two buckets, and some water can fill the empty one by sucking on the tube until it is full of water, after which the flow happens on its own. Kicking the full bucket is far less likely to work. If your other minimum exists, you cannot get humanity there as long as, by and large, it finds your arguments and refutations unpersuasive. If you cannot convince, it doesn't matter whether you're right or not. You will continue to be shot at indefinitely - or be forced by your own ideology to keep restarting the shooting indefinitely - and will be forced to either destroy the vast majority of humanity, or fail. Let us suppose for a moment that your premises are wrong, and the wisdom of crowds is correct in holding to the traditional structures. Then, too, your only choices are to destroy the majority of humanity, or fail. Or both. I suppose your "answer" to this is that the hypothetical is what's really irrelevant because in between Step 1 of "advocate and shoot" and Step 3 of "the galaxy becomes utopia", Step 2 of "everyone suddenly becomes convinced" will just happen even if you can't prove it. Blind faith that an Amarrian could be proud of. Well, the Blood Raiders are crazy with faith too, but humanity as a whole tolerates them well enough. Where did you make contact with the nonhuman intelligences that came up with this particular self-destructive project, anyway? Read the link and you will find that answers abound. The onus is on others to read and understand. You believe we in Star Fraction live by "opinions" and "blind faith that an Amarrian could be proud of". Faith is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. However, if you were to join us you would see that we, as free captains, are the only logical proof and material evidence that is needed. We do not only speak our philosophy, we live it. The fact is we have lived it, and thrived in every environment in the galaxy. Our very existence and actions moves us out of the hypothetical and into reality.
Celia Azur Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 18:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Celia Azur on 05/02/2007 18:18:47 Before this goes any further I recommend reading this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=466261&page=1#6 and the several posts by The Cosmopolite after. Originally by: Rollory And the answers have repeatedly been found to be insufficient or unacceptable, to the point that a common view is that no answers have actually been given. That you do not agree with those characterizations is irrelevant, your opinions of your arguments do not particularly matter on a galactic scale. In order to reach your goals, you have a dual strategy: 1) Convince people of the rightness of your cause. 2) Destroy those who, by refusing to be convinced, actively stand in your way. Either you need to convince a very large number of people, or you need to destroy a very large number of people, or both. Simply repeating the same arguments that invariably bring up the same criticisms will not advance you on the first. Again - it DOES NOT MATTER what is "true" or not. You are completely convinced your arguments are logical and your opponents' are flawed. Your opponents are completely convinced their arguments are logical and yours are flawed. Both "know" themselves to be right, with the full force of logic behind them. Which is correct? That cannot be determined in a simple mathematical sense; this is the court of politics and public opinion, there is no such thing as absolute truth, there is only the averaged opinion and conclusions of trillions - the wisdom of crowds, such as it is. On the topological plane of mental states, humanity has found a local minimum. You claim there is a more optimal solution elsewhere, but requiring a climb over a saddle. How do you prove it is a saddle? Where do you get the energy to move humanity over that saddle? A child playing with a flexible tube, two buckets, and some water can fill the empty one by sucking on the tube until it is full of water, after which the flow happens on its own. Kicking the full bucket is far less likely to work. If your other minimum exists, you cannot get humanity there as long as, by and large, it finds your arguments and refutations unpersuasive. If you cannot convince, it doesn't matter whether you're right or not. You will continue to be shot at indefinitely - or be forced by your own ideology to keep restarting the shooting indefinitely - and will be forced to either destroy the vast majority of humanity, or fail. Let us suppose for a moment that your premises are wrong, and the wisdom of crowds is correct in holding to the traditional structures. Then, too, your only choices are to destroy the majority of humanity, or fail. Or both. I suppose your "answer" to this is that the hypothetical is what's really irrelevant because in between Step 1 of "advocate and shoot" and Step 3 of "the galaxy becomes utopia", Step 2 of "everyone suddenly becomes convinced" will just happen even if you can't prove it. Blind faith that an Amarrian could be proud of. Well, the Blood Raiders are crazy with faith too, but humanity as a whole tolerates them well enough. Where did you make contact with the nonhuman intelligences that came up with this particular self-destructive project, anyway? Read the link and you will find that answers abound. The onus is on others to read and understand. You believe we in Star Fraction live by "opinions" and "blind faith that an Amarrian could be proud of". Faith is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. However, if you were to join us you would see that we, as free captains, are the only logical proof and material evidence that is needed. We do not only speak our philosophy, we live it. The fact is we have lived it, and thrived in every environment in the galaxy. Our very existence and actions moves us out of the hypothetical and into reality.
Monty Tomasi Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger When did EM begin to fear the sound of the war drums of freedom? It hasn't, neither does Phoenix Wing. I do on the other hand worry about what our beloved leader has been up to lately. I suspect that he's been shmoking the weed, watching the holoreels.
St Nosferatu Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Rollory Originally by: Nekumi Lowanaera, everything you have said has been answered repeatedly in several other threads. Every single thing. I am not going to bother repeating them again here. And the answers have repeatedly been found to be insufficient or unacceptable, to the point that a common view is that no answers have actually been given. Diagnosis: Wishful thinking : the formation of beliefs and making decisions according to what might be pleasing to imagine instead of by appealing to evidence or rationality. You, like all others claiming the same thing suffer from a common diseased "meme pattern", argumentum ad logicam. Biased samples Half-truths Hasty generalization Misleading vividness I could go on and on. You simply like to imagine an Universe where you don't need to understand the complexity and beauty of the fractionist's ideals and methods. We have seen how this opposition became more corrupt, cynical, and violent at each attack. Although I first got interested in this subject by observing the dysfunctional activist groups, I soon realized that these groups simply manifested the dynamics of their dysfunctional contaminated society. Your people as a whole doesn't know how to solve its problems intelligently, doesn't know how to use its diversity creatively, and is moving inexorably towards its own self-destruction. This is the only way. With the death of this meme we will welcome the new era where we reach a state in which societies become intelligent entities - neither a monolith unified by conformity nor a broken machine made of fragmented stupid individuals, but a thinking organism made of discrete participants, each contributing their unique and essential creativity into the dynamic wisdom and power of the whole. Bloodveil MKULTRA Scientist
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Monty Tomasi Originally by: Sable Schroedinger When did EM begin to fear the sound of the war drums of freedom? It hasn't, neither does Phoenix Wing. I do on the other hand worry about what our beloved leader has been up to lately. I suspect that he's been shmoking the weed, watching the holoreels. Do you think he has a copy of Barely Legal Brutor Babes 7? My copy was ... damaged. I'd be happy to trade my copy of Gallente Gone Wild 3: Caille Campus Cuties. _ Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Khavi Vetali Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:30:00 - [26] Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 05/02/2007 19:38:00 Originally by: Rollory And the answers have repeatedly been found to be insufficient or unacceptable, to the point that a common view is that no answers have actually been given. That you do not agree with those characterizations is irrelevant, your opinions of your arguments do not particularly matter on a galactic scale. I think you'll find that it's a matter of individual opinion whether or not those answers are insufficient. And if someone finds them unacceptable, then that individual is most likely idealogically opposed to the Fraction's views concerning the advancement of the galaxy. Here is where the route of force must be chosen. You may think that SF disagreeing with the characterizations in Thuul'Khalat's rant is irrelevent and inconsequential, but when an outsider reads the Star Fraction statement of purpose and compares it to the defamation above, I think they'll notice the obvious contradictions. The start of the journey is triggered by realization. Originally by: Rollory In order to reach your goals, you have a dual strategy: 1) Convince people of the rightness of your cause. 2) Destroy those who, by refusing to be convinced, actively stand in your way. Either you need to convince a very large number of people, or you need to destroy a very large number of people, or both. Simply repeating the same arguments that invariably bring up the same criticisms will not advance you on the first. By your statements here, it seems that you are confused as to what actions the Star Fraction are already engaged in. The Fraction most likely realised long ago that they would need to rely on these methods. Whether you are turned towards their cause by their fervor, ideals, arguments or logic, or simply turned away from your cause by gunboat diplomacy or direct warfare, I don't think matters to them. As long as you start being free. It has also been made apparent that the Star Fraction is quite aware of the long, treacherous path ahead of them. Originally by: Itanis "Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 01:30:00 - [27] It seems to me that Star Fraction believes that all governments are oppressive institutions that limit human freedo, and must be destroyed. This is the dictionary definition of anarchy as a political philosophy (not anarchy as in chaos). What they seem to not accept is that most people CHOOSE to be part of these governments. For instance, I have CHOSEN to make the Minmatar Republic my home. This was me exerting my free will. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
Crausaum Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.02.06 08:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Nachshon This was me exerting my free will. Better not let the Star Fraction know you still have that or they'll be coming to get it soon. I had never really thought about the subject much but as someone who is currently having to endure Star Fractions attempts to curb my free will I can fully agree with the text of the original post and say that it summarizes my feelings on the matter rather well. --------------------------- absit iniuria verbis
Ly'sol	Posted - 2007.02.06 10:23:00 - [29] ((there is something very...WW2ish and French...comes to mind...)) Wow for a man who's history on the Galnet was really...short and bluntly to the point...he suddenly became an eloquent public speaker.. <Sneezes and speaks in a groagy voice> Ugh..allergies to my puppy... <Looks at his slaver hound puppy ripping a stuffed plushed Matari in .5 gs> She is so cute. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 30NOV06
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:23:00 - [30] I no longer bother reading Star Fraction's verbose and overblown statements - I find it a complete waste of time. And no doubt they feel the same about mine Nevertheless it is in space that actions count and unfortunately Star Fraction's achievements in this regard have been less than noteworthy. We look forward to defeating the pompous fools again when/if they decide to try their hand against Amarr. No amount of words will save them then. Amarr Victor ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:39:00 - [31] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 06/02/2007 11:36:54 Originally by: Hardin I no longer bother reading Star Fraction's verbose and overblown statements - I find it a complete waste of time. And no doubt they feel the same about mine Nevertheless it is in space that actions count and unfortunately Star Fraction's achievements in this regard have been less than noteworthy. We look forward to defeating the pompous fools again when/if they decide to try their hand against Amarr. No amount of words will save them then. Amarr Victor whispers "this was an anti-star-fraction thread, you're supposed to clap and cheer" Star Fraction is recruiting
Hardin Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.06 11:56:00 - [32] Edited by: Hardin on 06/02/2007 11:52:44 It was an anti-Star Fraction thread only for as long as it took for your merry band of Gal Net propagandists to notice it Jasmine. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Kunte Kinte	Posted - 2007.02.06 12:55:00 - [33] The star fraction threads are fun to read its like a wave attack where they all post one by one we do not understand them; that the answers have been given; that we just need to read other posts to find them; I feel so stupid because I can not find any star fraction answers anywhere but at least I have company because it looks like the star fraction does not make sense to anyone else either. KK

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