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Aodha Khan Minmatar The Paratwa Ka Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:14:00 - [61] Originally by: OldWolfe I will lay out my thoughts here blunt and simple: ~ Due to the back story, thus limits the potentials to expand this game in the areas of: amount of space such as new galaxy, new universe new space can be easily added as a discovery or ... well, anything really, this is sci-fi afterall. Your point really makes no sense. Originally by: OldWolfe ~ No new life forms (peaceful or destructive) in which to enrich the feeling of a universe full of non-humanoid life forms where anything can still be discovered and feel of mystery lays just a warp away, all because it is expected to follow a back story. Who is to say this cannot happen? If CCP decides they wish to do this then, again, there is nothing stopping them adding to the current backstory. Originally by: OldWolfe ~ Not to mention that since we have a back story, that really limits what one can create through imagination because people will feel like their safety zones been breached with new mysterious things and quickly demands a nerf or what not. That might itself explain why there is a lack of things to discover and have a true sense of exploration and awe of new things much beyond our technology and/or understanding. One thing about back stories is it shouldn't be what limits us but be what expands us. Just because it doesn't mention something doesn't mean it cannot exist in EVE and thus cannot be added to the game. I'm pretty tired of people saying "Nope, the back story didnt mention anything about it, therefore cannot be added to the game". There is no set in stone backstory. The backstory is only there to provide us with history and culture. It leaves out many things which in turn gives us something to wet our imagination on. Things evolve. New discoveries are made. You really don't have a valid point, tbh. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:14:00 - [62] Rogue drones and Sansha's Nation are "alien" enough for me. I would on the other hand like to see this field expanded though. Btw. I saw a space whale yesterday. Or was it a Dominix, you can easily mix the two of them up. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Iesha Macabre	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:17:00 - [63] Quote: Really? So... The rise and fall of the four great nations, the war and feud between the Caldari and the Gallente, the enslavement and rebellion of the Minmatar, the sub-nations such as the khanid, ammatar, Intaki, Achura and their motivations, the pirate factions such as the guristas, Serpentis, Angels, Sansha's nation, the Jovians, the battle of Vak'atioth, the bombing of Nouvelle Rouvenor, the sacrifice of Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba at Hueromont, the assassination of Emperor Doriam II, Immensea, Emperor Heideran getting the Adonis Peace Prize, the blind Minmatar visionary Malaetu Shakor, The sisters of EVE, the recent viral tests by the Medusa Faction, The Kalaakiota riots, the spirituality of the Minmatar tribes, the glorious monument to God and Empire that is Dam Torsad, the fractured internal politics and factionalism that is the Caldari State, the Gallente elections, the Crielere incident, the timelines, the history, the politics, the sheer living breathing SCALE of this universe... ...is all somehow paper-thin to you? You must buy bloody heavy-grade sketch pads, that's all I can say.... Quote: I think it's fairly safe to say you started losing credibility at "space whale". (I really don't have anything to add except this thread made me smile )
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:23:00 - [64] Just read the backstory for gods sake. Its a very good one and do not limit the gam e at all. The "order" and the Jovians have technology to travel without star gates.. the Order are NOT HUMANS.. and much more advanced tahn the jovians. That is pretty much a lot of room for the game. Eve has some of the if not the BEST backgorud of any sci fy universe. Far FAR more consistent and PSICOLOGICALLY RICH than star treck and even better than Babylon 5 (since its far less clichT) I would dare to say. There is absolutely NOTHING limiting form in the next path a new gate is opened that leads to another region of galaxy (remember you need to travel by conventional means to the other system to build a gate there.. so takes time) that unlocks acces to a 6th race isolated since the Gate cllapse. No sceneraio ever build has richest polithics setups that allow a well tought story driven design. The only problem with it is.. BOB has already more space than ammar empire :P If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.07 10:47:00 - [65] Originally by: OldWolfe ~ Not to mention that since we have a back story, that really limits what one can create through imagination because people will feel like their safety zones been breached with new mysterious things and quickly demands a nerf or what not. That might itself explain why there is a lack of things to discover and have a true sense of exploration and awe of new things much beyond our technology and/or understanding. Wow, you are saying that the existance a back story is limiting? Here is what a limit is - a limit is a definition. To limit is to define. Settings without limits in their back story, where literally everything is possible, are shapeless and uninteresting blobs.
El'Niaga	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:01:00 - [66] Eve is still expandable, another wormhole could always open up, either natural or artificial. We also have no idea what happened to the rest of humanity or if this is the only pocket of humanity. Alien races though they can be fun in sci fi may or may not exist. By most accepted life models there is to little life in the universe, especially intelligent life it seems. That's the really greatest argument that the theory of evolution by natural selection is flawed and Darwin was not correct. If we go by that theory and what we know we should have received signals (radio or otherwise ) by now from some other intelligent system, however we have not. There is a great sci fi trilogy of books that offers a kinda alternate explanation as to why life isn't as common as it should be. Can't think of the author but they are Revelation Space, Redemption Ark, and I can't think of the third book...good reads actually. Once they get to the point that they open up all space we can see (Jove space etc) then they can worry about adding more. Simplest would have a wormhole that accessed a new area or perhaps led back to earth where the much more advanced Terrans begin an invasion, and though they would be human by some standards they might have so much bioengineering and cybernetics that they may not truly be homo sapiens anymore.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:13:00 - [67] the bit about the jove and "the order" has only been touched on breifly the novel about the minmatar rebellion and the events just before that ( accessible on this website) describe an enemy of the jove that is generally unseen but known about Not much more data than that are they alien, a splinter jove group or linked to old earth or perhaps one of hte other original earth colonies I think any content for kali 2 atm will focus on expanding the backstory and some stories linked in with the various factions ( factional warfare and all) of course u have story bits in cosmos agents and the exploration plexes.
Xtro 2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Kiyano If you wanna be really technical, the stargates can only be built in binary star systems... hence only 5000 of them have gates in, think how many hundreds of thousands there are but nobody can get to... so i bet you there's a whole bunch of stuff you could pluck out of thin air and use that excuse for where it came from. As far as aliens, the Jove do enough for me... they certainly aint human anymore. jump drives could reach these systems then perhaps, not your average 100man battleship roaming blob. Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman. Insanity, or madness, is a semi-permanent, severe mental disorder.
Erath Neerland	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:42:00 - [69] Edited by: Erath Neerland on 07/02/2007 12:41:28 a great post by oldwolfe i totally agree with him ppl point at fedo's as aliens.. while it only prooves eve lacs content. with millions of planets which can and will be inhabited by (un)intelligent life, are the fedo, those longlimbs and 2 other possible creature types the only unintelligent lifeforms worth noticing ppl whining about eve becomming like star trek is so childish.. look at the 4 human looking species we got now, i mean, look at them. do i have to say more? and then there are the jove! yay a fifth cool race that could be straight from a startrek episode. (they got battlecruisers and stuff right? i totally imagine them like human creatues (2 hands, a mouth to talk with, 2 eyes.. stuff like that) sure the story behind everything is nice, and maybe it is limiting the game yes. but it could also be the other way around.. isnt it the story which goes far beyond the game already and keeps EVE behind... limitations in the game are more corporate.. like: investing money, paying programmers, spending time and what do we want eve to be? why would they add features that could become the target of negative publicity if people just like to shoot NPC's or eachother and are happy doing it. making the eve universe more alive and mysterious would be really nice for me. like: make planets dockable.. (there must be planets with space docks). make the homeworlds of the 4 races more like an event.. more billboards, weird defence structures, random shaped big NPC ships flying around.. and simply add some space flora and fauna.. unexplainable phenomenons... see it as an add on to eve, not the story... new lifeforms shouldnt become that important to be a part in a story of any significance (like omg whatshisname was eaten by a spacewhale and now we are doomed because we dont have someone to lead us sheep into battle) its the lack of those little things that make eve feel like a typical computer game. otherwise eve is pretty nice... no grind for xp gives me a better feeling playing it then any other mmmorpg ever did.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:47:00 - [70] I think someone is angry because there are no Ewoks/Sandworms/Klingons/Random cliche sci-fi crap that EVERY other space based storyline has. Eve is unique, the backstory and environment are open ended. You should try RP, there's a wealth of things that you can do with the right imagination, rather than complaining you can't kill aliens and harpoon giant space whales. NEWEST MOVIE : VETO FOR HIRE
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:09:00 - [71] Originally by: Eldo Davip Jove = Aliens. Have you seen their ugly mugs? Originally by: OldWolfe Make histories by our actions that people will remember for years to come! Steve dying was history enough for me... People aren't going to forget that. GHSC Heist and other stuff.. who is going to forget that? We are making our own history GHSC was once in a life time thing...aint never going to happen again. Sombody needs to steal steve....and sombody needs to steal it back....etc...etc Need a Dyson's sphere to show up.... Need space herpies or somthing like that... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Allen Deckard Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:13:00 - [72] Personally I would have been happy if it actually stayed with the current back story. Amar should hate mimitar ect. You shouldn't be able to be an amar and not fear flying into mimitar space ect. They never should have allowed inter-racial training of skills. Pick caldari when you started? well guess what your caldari you fly caldari ships. But it's to late for that. But would have been nice. Then again it's just my opinion. Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free
Ashiana	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:18:00 - [73] Originally by: OldWolfe something as simple as a space whale that floats around 0.0 sec space and cannot be killed. Nano-domi ^^
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.07 13:31:00 - [74] Edited by: Valan on 07/02/2007 13:30:14 The fiction behind EVE is loose because the players create the story here. When faction warfare hits whole new avenues of player made history will be made. A guy in our community suggested he didn't like EVE because there was no story there was nothing to do like WoW where he can make things happen in the world. I have to say I agree there is no story. I also have to say if you're not in an alliance creating something or an empire corp with a plan EVE is boring. It has been for me for some time and I didn't like the idea of getting into an alliance again. However, I've found myself logging into EVE again and enjoying it. You make things happen don't rely on CCP, this is an open ended sand box, make the best of it, there isn't anything else like it. Don't tie us all in to the same tedious storyline where we don't really have a choice of destiny. BTW the lack of aliens makes EVE that little bit more believable, you'll get aliens in the Star Trek MMORPG and Star Wars. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Cipher7 Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:09:00 - [75] Aren't the Jovians aliens? They're not humans are they?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:13:00 - [76] Edited by: Patch86 on 07/02/2007 14:11:44 Originally by: Cipher7 Aren't the Jovians aliens? They're not humans are they? Technically they're humans, yah. They're humans that didn't fall into a several thousand year dark-age (as did the other races) and so have become very technologically advanced. Their favourite hobby is mucking with their own genetics, in order to make themselevs better than human. As such, they can be considered evolved humans, or "posthuman". A few sci-fi's use a concept, Red Dwarf coined the phrase, "GELF", or Genetically Engineered Life Form, as a non-cliche alternative to aliens. Thats basically the route EVE went down. -----------------------------------------------
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:16:00 - [77] To the op... Use your imagination and create your own story. Thats what i do. While I do find The Eve story interesting, When im playing I dont picture myself in a egg full of jello. I picture myself standing on a bridge or sitting in a*****pit!
Valan	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:26:00 - [78] Originally by: Mesacc To the op... Use your imagination and create your own story. Thats what i do. While I do find The Eve story interesting, When im playing I dont picture myself in a egg full of jello. I picture myself standing on a bridge or sitting in a*****pit! I often roleplay a situation in my head. When you could really bounce people. I bounced Eightbit or Easytarget (can't remember) in MHC with my uber fast ship. He hit the gate and tumbled into space. I imagined the clang reverberating through his ship as he ended upside down in the ships 'head' covered in bog roll. Makes EVE life much more interesting. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:29:00 - [79] EVE lore in many ways exists outside of the gameplay model anyway. in stories you can have a battleship being beat on for hours and thats probally how long ships could slug it out. but in gameplay its totally impractical, nobody wants to chase a Rohk around for hours playing sink the bismark. they want instapop.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:34:00 - [80] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE lore in many ways exists outside of the gameplay model anyway. in stories you can have a battleship being beat on for hours and thats probally how long ships could slug it out. but in gameplay its totally impractical, nobody wants to chase a Rohk around for hours playing sink the bismark. they want instapop. I would like a game of sink the bismark in space plz. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:43:00 - [81] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE lore in many ways exists outside of the gameplay model anyway. in stories you can have a battleship being beat on for hours and thats probally how long ships could slug it out. but in gameplay its totally impractical, nobody wants to chase a Rohk around for hours playing sink the bismark. they want instapop. I would like a game of sink the bismark in space plz. I smell a new MMO -----------------------------------------------
B0rn2KiLL MicroFunks	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:52:00 - [82] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 07/02/2007 14:51:41 nawh dude, ur pretty wrong, the eve gate might someday reopen, who knows, its a game, dues ex mechene or sometin like that, imagine this : Eve gate reopens!!1! its a jovain invasion, angry jovain titans are jumped into gallente and amarr space, dissimating entire constelations with a single shot of thier doomsday weapons! oh noes! hide the wimin! bob orginizes a fleet to counter the invading force and basically going after the jovi lewt. other alliances join the fight, the amassed 19 player titans and countless dreadnaghts eventually take down one of the two jovi titans, the jovs jump in motherships to defend the remaining titan, a plague is released, pwning most minmatar space but creating a new race of super pilots that mutated. some jovi tech falls into the hands of the 4 empires, and through shared research tech III is introduced to he market, meanwhile, the jov are establishing base at the heart of empire, and so a new saga begins. etc. its a game, it depends on your imagenation dude :) --- new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u. *Imaran hands B0rn2KiLL a fork - Come get some!11
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.07 14:57:00 - [83] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE lore in many ways exists outside of the gameplay model anyway. in stories you can have a battleship being beat on for hours and thats probally how long ships could slug it out. but in gameplay its totally impractical, nobody wants to chase a Rohk around for hours playing sink the bismark. they want instapop. I would like a game of sink the bismark in space plz. I smell a new MMO In the rewritten, space-based, history of WWII, the Hood was never destroyed, as the shell that should have sunk it in fact continued on in a relatively straight line, due to a lack gravity to pull it back down. The crew of both ships, however, suffered acute symptoms of exposure to the vacuum of space, including a slight tingling sensation of the skin, and near-instantaeous death. ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Mr Mozzie Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:28:00 - [84] There is a quote from one of the voyager scientists. It goes something like this: Our imagingation never matches the beauty that we find in nature. He was talking about Jupiter's moons and how no one predicted it. Some people said the moons would all be bland and alike. Others said came up with fantastic sci-fiesque ideas for what the moons could be like. In the end no-one predicted the complexity and diversity of the moons. The same applies to eve. The backstory is so bland compared to the living eve society. It would be a shame if the potential for 'beautiful' things to happen in eve was restricted on account of a bland old story.

Gnauton	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:35:00 - [85] Well, one of the proposed story arcs for Revelations II was the "Blubber of Freedom" - in which a rogue squadron of space whales attacks Dam-Torsad with radioactive blubber cannons in an attempt to get the Empire to reverse its policies on the separation of church and state - but you've just ruined the surprise. Thanks a lot.

Rosa Rosette	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:37:00 - [86] Edited by: Rosa Rosette on 07/02/2007 15:34:01 ---wrong char again---
Ethidium Bromide ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:38:00 - [87] Originally by: Gnauton Well, one of the proposed story arcs for Revelations II was the "Blubber of Freedom" - in which a rogue squadron of space whales attack Dam-Torsad with radioactive blubber cannons in an attempt to get the Empire to reverse its policies on the separation of church and state - but you've just ruined the surprise. Thanks a lot. hm.. that would have made us slavers and whalers... yeah thanks a lot Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.

Ginger.	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:40:00 - [88] Originally by: Gnauton Well, one of the proposed story arcs for Revelations II was the "Blubber of Freedom" - in which a rogue squadron of space whales attacks Dam-Torsad with radioactive blubber cannons in an attempt to get the Empire to reverse its policies on the separation of church and state - but you've just ruined the surprise. Thanks a lot. /me looks up from creating "The Great Space Whale Federation Attacks" fleet. Ah dammit, its out? Who leaked it?? It was going to be soooo sweet! I had a space whale battleship all kitted out and everything

Valan	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Mr Mozzie There is a quote from one of the voyager scientists. It goes something like this: Our imagingation never matches the beauty that we find in nature. He was talking about Jupiter's moons and how no one predicted it. Some people said the moons would all be bland and alike. Others said came up with fantastic sci-fiesque ideas for what the moons could be like. In the end no-one predicted the complexity and diversity of the moons. The same applies to eve. The backstory is so bland compared to the living eve society. It would be a shame if the potential for 'beautiful' things to happen in eve was restricted on account of a bland old story. Did this line just not prove we don't need a story. 'The backstory is so bland compared to the living eve society.' If the story is bland, hence open there is no chance it can place restrictions. If you have a number of intricate weaved story threads and races then there is no room for maneuver. The crux of this issue is do we want to be spoon fed or interact on our terms. Hardly anyone roleplays to the extent required to interact with CCP produced fiction anyhow. Those that roleplay have the freedom to create in EVE like no other MMORPG. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game three years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2007.02.07 16:34:00 - [90] Originally by: OldWolfe Svanh, It is pretty clear you're not seeing things outside the box (ie. the things I have said) which clearly reflects in your comments. Lets see yours fall apart faster: Once again, you fail to see that I was in fact encouraging more imagination use on EVE the game itself, NOT the back story. I want more on the game because some of us actually wants to play the story instead of reading the story. Like I said in my first post, DO think outside the box and DO read what I have to say before jumping the gun. ~Wolfe We the players are the story...the backstory is purely a mere beginning point. It sounds like the refusual to think outside the box is more your gig TBH, as it looks like you want the sandbox idea of eve to go away and be replaced by pure Dev created stories and content. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self

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