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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.07 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 07/02/2007 06:47:11
Originally by: Kell Atorr If the Republic is doing nothing to defend its people, why is it that most of the time I spend in the Jovian pod I spend working for the agencies of the Republic, fighting slaver pirates and Amarr and Ammatar raiders?
why is it ok if you and the agents do it - and why does a prominent hero of the people have to die if he does the same in a larger scale?
midular is not the republic - that is the answer.
you guys stop talking about a civil war, ushra'khan never aims to target brothers. most instances here mentioning the possibility to turn against each other, even to battle each other seems to come from other parties than U'K
this needs to be mentioned ever again aparrantly.
Especially if i hear sentences like "ushra'khan embrace darkness"
re-elections now. abadon your galleon figure, start representing the matari tribes for a change. Speak for yourself, not for midular.
Karin is wealthy enough to hire an army of spokespersons - she could speak for herself. If she wanted.
She does not need you to jump in front of her and do her job to explain her reasons... by the end of the day, republican loyalists or not - we dont know whats going in in her mind, until she shares it with us.
keep the temple in the village
the situation is quiet simple. Assasination of anyone w/o lawsuit is illegal, even to republican law. why does midular stand above the law?
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Anatolius
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rocius Cant you see us Matari are flexing and posturing here?
That's about all that's ever seen out of your people.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.02.07 21:31:00 -
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Mr Pot meet Mr Kettle. 
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Kell Atorr
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.07 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kell Atorr on 07/02/2007 23:39:56
Originally by: zoolkhan Edited by: zoolkhan on 07/02/2007 06:47:11
Originally by: Kell Atorr If the Republic is doing nothing to defend its people, why is it that most of the time I spend in the Jovian pod I spend working for the agencies of the Republic, fighting slaver pirates and Amarr and Ammatar raiders?
why is it ok if you and the agents do it - and why does a prominent hero of the people have to die if he does the same in a larger scale?
I have done so in accordance with the constitutional law of the Republic and in accordance with the traditions of my clan, my tribe, and the Matari people. So did Muritor, for many years. So have most members of Ushra'Khan, at some point in their careers, which is why I tire of the dishonest hyperbole that the Republic is not defending our people. You all know as well as I do how the Republic labors for the defense of our people.
The difference is that Muritor broke the law, broke with the traditions of our people, stole military assets desperately needed for the defense of our people, and when faced with capture by the authorities, chose to die rather than to accept arrest and trial.
Originally by: zoolkhan you guys stop talking about a civil war, ushra'khan never aims to target brothers.
Then withdraw the bounty on our prime minister.
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Pacal Balan
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
So which is it? Peace or war? Death or life? The republic's righteous actions in destroying a traitor and warmonger say peace, as do the breaking of ties with U'K. Yet the wars maintained by Fate Weavers and NMTZ both scream that this call for peace is a sham. So is the sham on the part of the republic, or merely on the part of pod pilots failing to serve its best interests out of a misplaced idealism.
IT is not too late for NMTZ to withdraw its support for all hostile and treaty breaking actions against neutral entities.
* Pacal looks down slowly at a screen, he frowns as he looks at the darkened form before him *
What is that you say? Is that meant to be some form of ill-conceived joke! Do not talk to me à talk to us of actions against neutral entities. There is nothing neutral about you and your darkened ilk raiding into matari space to capture and enslave our peoples.
There is not a day that goes by that I do not read filed reports between NamtzÆ aar KÆin pilots and the Republic Fleet of your darkened incursions, so do not dare use the word neutral here, there is nothing neutral here, nothing!
As for your move against our peoples, we in turn will issue one likewise à those of the UÆK, those of the - EM û are still our kin no matter what differences we have, your actions are not acceptable.
If you seek to continue these raids into Matari free space à in to Republic space you will find the NamtzÆ aar KÆin kind staring right back at you as you incure into our space. Know that we in turn we shall reciprocate the actions of your darkened kind and grace you with just as much horror as you inflict upon our peoples.
Do not talk to me ... do not talk to us about things; "being to late" when billions of our kin reside in slavery inside of your blackened lands. Do not talk to me of neutrality's you amarrian fool I have little time for it.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:46:00 -
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So you wish war.
I'm sure the republic will be glad to hear that after they have spent so much effort trying to avoid it despite the best efforts of those like the Ushra'Khan.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Nachshon on 08/02/2007 00:49:29 That Ushra'Khan are trying to cause a civil war, I do not believe that. That their actions could start one, that is what I fear.
I make the same suggestion I have made elsewhere: take power peacefully. Call for elections, form a party, then campaign like there's no tomorrow. I would be willing to provide what funds I can to help start this party. Hell, I'll stand for election myself.
The alternate solution of burying the hatchet in the skulls of the Amarr also appeals to me. As we say on the corp channels, X.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 08/02/2007 02:00:48
Delictum have proven to be nothing more than a distraction. Any question of defeat or victory is moot so long as their policy of engagement constitutes avoidance. I do not imply cowardice in this, as I am aware of the good sense in engaging on terms favourable to oneself, I merely seek to point out that this means that Delictum are rarely glimpsed in NMTZ space. Or at least that portion of it that I frequent.
As to future conflict between the Republic and the theocratic nonsense that is Amarr, I would hesitate to dispute any strategic assessment made by the Republic fleet. I would however, point out that recent history does not point to Amarr success in a protracted struggle and that the Amarr themselves do not enjoy unqualified unity.
It is vital then, that the various agents that have sworn to protect and preserve the Republic abandon their heated discourse and return to that which matters most, namely the Republic. Failure to do so would present the Amarr with an opportunity that they would not hesitate to paint as 'heaven sent'. It would be a gift beyond price for a morally bankrupt collection of racial supremacists whose only contribution to civil development in New Eden has been the practice of slavery.
The Amarr deserve little enough as it is without being given anything for nothing.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.08 02:27:00 -
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There is a fine line between stupidity and bravery. I think you may have just crossed it. By all means, please continue to war amongst yourselves. An elected official being declaired by a terrorist orginization to be outlaw was absurd. Now another orgaization steps in to denounce the terrorist organization of. . .I await the arrival of other fools to join in this crossfire of accusations and infighting. ----
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit There is a fine line between stupidity and bravery. I think you may have just crossed it.
You mean he crossed the line from stupidity to bravery?
That's a good thing, no?
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.08 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: zoolkhan
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit There is a fine line between stupidity and bravery. I think you may have just crossed it.
You mean he crossed the line from stupidity to bravery?
That's a good thing, no?
You goal is to 'set your people free':
1. First you are willing to murder those who try to steal people away from your worlds. 2. Then you are willing to murder those who own people from your worlds. 3. Then you are willing to murder those who support the institution of slavery, even though they don't own slaves themselves (and are just simple deck hands or janitors). 4. Then you are willing to murder people who simply associate with people from 3. 5. Then you are willing to murder anyone who hinders you directly in murdering those from 1-4. Pilots who are simple defending the people from 4, for example) 6. Then you are willing to murder those that hinder you indirectly in murdering those from 1-4, even though they share your goal (setting your people free) like Karen Midular, who just upheld Republic law.
Will you next step be that you are willing to murder people who just support the people from 6, like NMTZ who support Karen Midular?
Where will your murdering stop? Somewhere you crossed the line into madness. You are now willing to murder anyone who does not actively agree and supports your goals and your methods. If they are not with you, then they are against you. And those who are against you: you murder them. Any collateral damage is acceptable in the pursuit of your goal. You are willing to sacrifice everything, even your souls to reach your goal, and I am afraid that is exactly what many of you are sacrificing now.
I apologize for intruding into a discussion between the U'K and NMTZ, but I simply cannot sit by a see so much hatred, ignorance and stupidity spouted by the members of the Ushra'Khan. Have you lost all sense of common decency?
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
1. First you are willing to murder those who try to steal people away from your worlds. 2. Then you are willing to murder those who own people from your worlds. 3. Then you are willing to murder those who support the institution of slavery, even though they don't own slaves themselves (and are just simple deck hands or janitors). 4. Then you are willing to murder people who simply associate with people from 3. 5. Then you are willing to murder anyone who hinders you directly in murdering those from 1-4. Pilots who are simple defending the people from 4, for example) 6. Then you are willing to murder those that hinder you indirectly in murdering those from 1-4, even though they share your goal (setting your people free) like Karen Midular, who just upheld Republic law.
Will you next step be that you are willing to murder people who just support the people from 6, like NMTZ who support Karen Midular?
1. that is technically correct. but it is not murdering, it is executing. if it happenes in a fleet battle, then it is war.
2. yes we do kill slavers. slavekeepers are slavers.
3. we kill those who stand in the way of liberate my people this is a concord sanctioned war wherever concord law applies as such its per definition 'war' and not murdering. Its not as if we put poising in somebodys drinks or a pillow on their head when they sleep. The fights are hard and bloody, and usually we have high casualties on our end.
4. well.. hmm.. maybe. depends how you define associating. we dont go to amarr and kill random civillians. which would be the definition of terrorism btw. Our kills are target/goal oriented. We kill the pilots of slave transports, we kill the "golden fleet" as explained in 3
5. ...dont stand in our way, and we dont have to.
we come for our people. we cannot be stopped. it is not ushrakhan it is a movement. it is the ongoing rebellion, the rise of my people.
6. bull****. i already explained that karin did not uphold the law, she is a criminal with the "untouchable" diplomat-status executing someone for stealing a ship w/o lawsuit is certainly not a minmatar republican law that has been uphold. do your homework slaver.
You will find, that it is not madness - it is consitency.
our only agenda is to liberate our people. We have been freedom fighters since >3 years now. FoM, PROM, PRM ....> U'K The names changed, the tribes united but the agenda is still the same.
You throw in things to hinder us? we go straight ahead and through it.
Thats it.
Dont hinder us, less "murdering" - liberate all slaves, stop the slaveraids, zero murdering.
It is all in your hands. When we talk about madness.. maybe we should send you into the clinik first, because you , the slaver, represent the root cause of all our murdering.
Thank you very much for you input.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 12:04:00 -
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Quote: 6. bull****. i already explained that karin did not uphold the law, she is a criminal with the "untouchable" diplomat-status executing someone for stealing a ship w/o lawsuit is certainly not a minmatar republican law that has been uphold. do your homework slaver.
You do your homework, zool
First, Muritor explicitly and repeatedly refused to come home for trial.
Second, there is no evidence whatsoever that there was direct involvement from the government in the death of Karishal Muritor. The order to fire came from "fleet command channel", and the matter is such that the Fleet would not have needed any authorization from outside to act on their own.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: zoolkhan on 08/02/2007 12:48:49
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
First, Muritor explicitly and repeatedly refused to come home for trial.
a) that is true - but how does that justify bypassing law and go for assasination?
b) You mean killing him (incl. destruction of clone etc) was the blessed way and only option, while arresting him (if needed with the help of narcotics) would have been so much more difficult?
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:34:00 -
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Capturing a pilot who does not want to be captured is extremely difficult, and you know that too.
I am (unfortunately ) not privy to Fleet tactical planning.
In any case, if this death was a crime, you need to look for the guilty party first from inside the Fleet. Assuming Karin Midular herself was involved without any factual backing to that assumption is very transparent propaganda.
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Sapphrine
Kinda'Shujaa Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Capturing a pilot who does not want to be captured is extremely difficult, and you know that too.
I am (unfortunately ) not privy to Fleet tactical planning.
In any case, if this death was a crime, you need to look for the guilty party first from inside the Fleet. Assuming Karin Midular herself was involved without any factual backing to that assumption is very transparent propaganda.
Really? I'd have thought that the military being a tool of the state and thus not a free thinking entity able to just off and pick and choose its policy is directly attributable to Karin Midular as head of state.
Lets not just start to pretend that chains of command don't end with politicians and that they aren't accountable for telling the military what to do in a briefing simply because they're not on the line to give the order again when the situation arrises... thats why they have a fleet command.
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Pacal Balan
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
Lets not just start to pretend that chains of command don't end with politicians and that they aren't accountable for telling the military what to do in a briefing simply because they're not on the line to give the order again when the situation arrises... thats why they have a fleet command.
Accountable? Accountable? There is nothing that needs accounting for!
Maybe you my dear young pilot have lost touch with the scale and size of the Minmatar Republic in distancing yourself from it for such an extended period of time. The Repubulic Fleet as I understand it has its own set of protocols for dealing with insubordinate pilots.
The fact that you have had your "hope and shining glory" of a run-away rogue admiral shot down means nothing to the Republic Fleet. The incident was dealt with in acordance to military law and that is it. The fact that outcome did not work in your favor or work to your appeasement is a non-issue here.
The truth is; your "feelings" played very little if not nothing to do with the methods of dealing with this rogue admiral. The Republic Fleet is not set implace to appease your "feelings" and all of this babbling you are doing is a non-issue, I would suggest you and your kin get over it.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Popsikle on 08/02/2007 20:51:55
Originally by: Pacal Balan
The truth is; your "feelings" played very little if not nothing to do with the methods of dealing with this rogue admiral. The Republic Fleet is not set implace to appease your "feelings" and all of this babbling you are doing is a non-issue, I would suggest you and your kin get over it.
The truth, Elder Balan, is this. Both of your alliances needs to stop bickering. What has happened is done and over, and none of you guys are fighting for the people in vain. This is a two sided war, and each of your alliances serve a reason and you both need to work together to move the fate of the Matari along.
I explained everything in this post : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=471553 , about how the childish bickering needs to stop and we need to focus more on our path as a race, and we all need to get a better understanding and respect for what each other is doing. I dont know if you read what I wrote, and I wasnt going to jump into other communications and repeat myself but I feel it needs to be said again.
We are one race, and lets not forget that. UK needs to understand The republic (as broken as it is) and its supporters are needed to protect the millions living in its space, and the NMTZ/loyalists need to understand that UK is needed to help free those of our race that are still in shackles.
Divided we will fall to the Amarr, and they know that hence them poking thier noses in topics that dont concern them, and attempting to take sides with one group to fuel hate for the other. United they will fall, this they know as well, and its about time we realize that. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |

Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 20:58:00 -
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Karishal did more for Matari than your fat bloated wallet ever did Pacal Balan. But when the masters of the republic, the empire saw that someone had finally made a stand against them, they ordered their vassal state to have the rebellion put down.
Sleep well at night in your cosy lined bed slaver. One day you may actually wake up and look in the mirror and see what you have become. Nothing more than a monkey dancing to the empires organ.
If only one day you actually stood for something more than talk and collecting pirate tags. The difference is where The Ushra'Khan, Defiants and Fimbulwinter and others sacrifice everything for their people. All you and your alliance does is talk about change and action. Peace, peace you preach!, we dare not anger our Empire masters, war would ruin our profits!
You have no right, no deeds that allow you to talk with us. You preach of laws, of justice, it is always said that power corrupts. I have watched as Midular feasted on it for so long, changed your precious laws to give her absolute power above the tribal council. Watched as she bartered the Matari spirirt for trade treaties with the Amarr and ordered republic patrols away from Empire operations and stopped our rescue missions into their space.
The only injustice here is that people like you are allowed to talk. To corrupt with your wormtongue. Furthering your own agenda of avoiding war and maximising profits, because that is what your hollow peace brings, business and profits. So keenly do you stare at the gold in your vaults, you turn your back on the cries of the millions in chains, justifying your actions with the needs of the few outweight the needs of the many.
All you do is talk, it is a pity. I remember when you used to help people. Now turning a blind eye and a deaf ear is the status quo for you and your precious republic and its laws. Your masters must be pleased at your progress.
Oh I am sure you will amuse me with some witty retort on how you are doing so much for matari, of how we abandoned our people. When it is really you who have. You just will never see it until its too late.
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Popsikle
Caffeine Commodities Company
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Posted - 2007.02.08 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera Karishal did more for Matari than your fat bloated wallet ever did Pacal Balan. But when the masters of the republic, the empire saw that someone had finally made a stand against them, they ordered their vassal state to have the rebellion put down.
Sleep well at night in your cosy lined bed slaver. One day you may actually wake up and look in the mirror and see what you have become. Nothing more than a monkey dancing to the empires organ.
If only one day you actually stood for something more than talk and collecting pirate tags. The difference is where The Ushra'Khan, Defiants and Fimbulwinter and others sacrifice everything for their people. All you and your alliance does is talk about change and action. Peace, peace you preach!, we dare not anger our Empire masters, war would ruin our profits!
You have no right, no deeds that allow you to talk with us. You preach of laws, of justice, it is always said that power corrupts. I have watched as Midular feasted on it for so long, changed your precious laws to give her absolute power above the tribal council. Watched as she bartered the Matari spirirt for trade treaties with the Amarr and ordered republic patrols away from Empire operations and stopped our rescue missions into their space.
The only injustice here is that people like you are allowed to talk. To corrupt with your wormtongue. Furthering your own agenda of avoiding war and maximising profits, because that is what your hollow peace brings, business and profits. So keenly do you stare at the gold in your vaults, you turn your back on the cries of the millions in chains, justifying your actions with the needs of the few outweight the needs of the many.
All you do is talk, it is a pity. I remember when you used to help people. Now turning a blind eye and a deaf ear is the status quo for you and your precious republic and its laws. Your masters must be pleased at your progress.
Oh I am sure you will amuse me with some witty retort on how you are doing so much for matari, of how we abandoned our people. When it is really you who have. You just will never see it until its too late.
*Popsikle Sighs.
Both of you are doing nothing for our race by arguing with each other except for making sure the Amarr will have an easy time taking over our space because we are too divided to fight as one.
Grow up, put your petty arguments behind you, OUR FATE AS A RACE IS ON THE LINE. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |

Ranira
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ranira on 08/02/2007 22:22:28 Edited by: Ranira on 08/02/2007 22:20:36
Originally by: Popsikle
*Popsikle Sighs.
Both of you are doing nothing for our race by arguing with each other except for making sure the Amarr will have an easy time taking over our space because we are too divided to fight as one.
Grow up, put your petty arguments behind you, OUR FATE AS A RACE IS ON THE LINE.
Don't be afraid Popsikle. The Amarr will come and find the tribes strong. They will find justice at our hands instead of empty preachings of their ambiguous god. Pain brings the spirit of the strength the Amarr are missing.
The bounty on puppet Midular is a symbol. Take it as a threat, take it as a call for murder but at least see the inner truth, the symbolism of it. Its tit for tat. Slay my friend and i will kill your wife. Murder my brother and i will extinguish your family. This is the language of blood. If the republic had the means of assassinating Muritor, they had the means of capturing him alive to courtmartial him. They have chosen the unhonorable path, the path of blood revenge.
Muritor was murdered - he will be revenged. The Khai will bring the justice. -----
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Chishan
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.08 22:53:00 -
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One thing is for certain. Regardless of legality, Muritor engineered the single greatest strike against the slavers since the beginning of the Rebellion. The Defiants still exist, and I don't think they will ever listen to the Republic ever again. Even under the flag of truce.
The Defiants will return, this they have promised. Their fight will continue. All the Republic has accomplished is the further alienation of those that have the will to take the fight to the enemy. The Republic, by it's own actions continues to diminish itself in the face of its longest night.Whether to appease the enemy that takes our people, to spite a Champion that that has exposed the current regimes eneffectiveness, or to punish a guilty criminal the effect remains the same. The Republic has cut off its own nose to spite its face.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 00:52:00 -
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Karishal was not killed for his crimes. If that were true almost all of us would be up against the wall. The Liberty Network routinely transports slaves rescued from the Amarr deep into Republic territory. An act which under Midular's customs act is illegal.
There are plenty of us who flew with Karishal and helped him. By proxy do we now share the same fate? will the fleet send death squads for us?
Was Karishal's death necessary to recover the liberated ships? no because those vessels are still in the hands of the Defiants. Killing Karishal could in no way lead to the recovery of those ships.
Why after so many decades of leaving freedom fighters alone to fight for our people do the epublic take up arms against us? Because the Amarr asked for it.
Midular has always been weak. The small things like our diplomats being banned from displaying Khumaaks because it offends the slavers were just the little steps that led to this day. This is not about execution of law. This is just the latest incident in Midular's long history of acquiescence to the Empire.
Karishal had the skill, the ships and the will to do what neither the freedom fighters or the Republic have been able to do for over a century. The Amarr demanded his head and Midular bowed to their demands.
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Bossebootes
Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.09 01:07:00 -
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I have been given missions by the Republic Fleet to kill Thukkers, one of our tribes, who are Matari when all said and done! I am one of many who believe a civil war may be necessary to clense The Minmatar republic of a goverment which is letting down its people, for our goverment seems only interested in thier personal wealth and power, not doing what many of us believe is best for our peoples, they are corrupt. I strongly disagree with the Leaders of my alliance in thier actions towards the Ushra'Khan. Though I have no power to change it.
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Nekumi
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.09 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bossebootes Though I have no power to change it.
It's this lie that is keeping your people down Bossebootes. Everyone has the power to affect change, everyone.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.09 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bossebootes I have been given missions by the Republic Fleet to kill Thukkers, one of our tribes, who are Matari when all said and done! I am one of many who believe a civil war may be necessary to clense The Minmatar republic of a goverment which is letting down its people, for our goverment seems only interested in thier personal wealth and power, not doing what many of us believe is best for our peoples, they are corrupt. I strongly disagree with the Leaders of my alliance in thier actions towards the Ushra'Khan. Though I have no power to change it.
My father was a Thukker. Yet still, I think elections are preferable to civil war. Personally I have no desire to shed the blood of innocents. Especially innocent Matari.
Just because it is the loyal thing to do does not make it the right thing.
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