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Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.02.06 15:59:00 - [1] With the introduction of motherships and titans the solo pwnmobiles were born. Was this intended or should it be changed?
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:00:00 - [2] Erm, anyone using them solo is looking to lose them. AFAIK, they always come out with support, as they should. - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:02:00 - [3] Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Andargor theWise Erm, anyone using them solo is looking to lose them. AFAIK, they always come out with support, as they should. How would you lose them? Logging off with aggro does not count
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Splagada on 06/02/2007 16:02:33 a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol ------
darklegionca Caldari Kiith Paktu	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:13:00 - [6] I would love to see a nano titan comming but would they go as fast as the nano battleships ------------------------------------ darklegionca - One name. One legend.
DarkFenix Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:15:00 - [7] Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). Bubble them. Problem solved.
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:17:00 - [8] How on earth do you build one solo?
Jon Hawkes Dark Angel Security	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. I like this idea. Keep their immunity to all other forms of EW, but give them an extremely high warp strength which would require a whole fleet of tacklers to keep them in place. I'm pretty sure that fitting speed mods to Dreadnoughts and using them to bump Titans and Motherships is not the role that CCP envisioned.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:28:00 - [10] What? ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:34:00 - [11] Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). Bubble them. Problem solved. Aren't they almost as big as the bubble itself?
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Vasiliyan How on earth do you build one solo? Why build? Buy one. -------------- In other news, after careful investigation, the Guiding Hand Social Club concluded that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club was guilty of any wrongdoing.
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). Bubble them. Problem solved. Aren't they almost as big as the bubble itself? Yea.. So just the front warps? --- My Movies
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Splagada a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol Have you read Seleenes Battle Report? Morsus Mihi and friends had over 70 ships there including about 6 capital ships, and yes they WERE bumping and yes they KNOW the theories you recite, and they additionally knew about warp bubbles, except unlike you actually used them with much praise from the MC which sort of indicates they're no total noobs, and guess what: They couldn't stop EITHER of the two motherships from warping. To date no mothership is known killed in action, and that includes one very obnoxious pirate mothership lazily racking up, what's the current count, over 1000 kills? It's almost like Heikki in his best smartbombing time Having said that, I don't think they should be changed. You kill their fighters, they jump out and lick their wounds. Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in
JeanPierre Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Makhai	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Splagada a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol Have you read Seleenes Battle Report? Morsus Mihi and friends had over 70 ships there including about 6 capital ships, and yes they WERE bumping and yes they KNOW the theories you recite, and they additionally knew about warp bubbles, except unlike you actually used them with much praise from the MC which sort of indicates they're no total noobs, and guess what: They couldn't stop EITHER of the two motherships from warping. To date no mothership is known killed in action, and that includes one very obnoxious pirate mothership lazily racking up, what's the current count, over 1000 kills? It's almost like Heikki in his best smartbombing time Having said that, I don't think they should be changed. You kill their fighters, they jump out and lick their wounds. Didn't Cyvok lose his Mothership (that was a mothership wasn't it? I may be wrong though)? ------------------------------ Ever notice that people who spend money on beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets are always complaining about being broke and not feeling well?
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:49:00 - [16] Originally by: JeanPierre Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Splagada a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol Have you read Seleenes Battle Report? Morsus Mihi and friends had over 70 ships there including about 6 capital ships, and yes they WERE bumping and yes they KNOW the theories you recite, and they additionally knew about warp bubbles, except unlike you actually used them with much praise from the MC which sort of indicates they're no total noobs, and guess what: They couldn't stop EITHER of the two motherships from warping. To date no mothership is known killed in action, and that includes one very obnoxious pirate mothership lazily racking up, what's the current count, over 1000 kills? It's almost like Heikki in his best smartbombing time Having said that, I don't think they should be changed. You kill their fighters, they jump out and lick their wounds. Didn't Cyvok lose his Mothership (that was a mothership wasn't it? I may be wrong though)? it was a titan and he was logged off with aggro, doesnt count for this discussion. CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
JeanPierre Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Makhai	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: JeanPierre Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Splagada a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol Have you read Seleenes Battle Report? Morsus Mihi and friends had over 70 ships there including about 6 capital ships, and yes they WERE bumping and yes they KNOW the theories you recite, and they additionally knew about warp bubbles, except unlike you actually used them with much praise from the MC which sort of indicates they're no total noobs, and guess what: They couldn't stop EITHER of the two motherships from warping. To date no mothership is known killed in action, and that includes one very obnoxious pirate mothership lazily racking up, what's the current count, over 1000 kills? It's almost like Heikki in his best smartbombing time Having said that, I don't think they should be changed. You kill their fighters, they jump out and lick their wounds. Didn't Cyvok lose his Mothership (that was a mothership wasn't it? I may be wrong though)? it was a titan and he was logged off with aggro, doesnt count for this discussion. Ah damn that's right, a Titan, my bad. It made me giggle to hear about though, though that's OT. :) ------------------------------ Ever notice that people who spend money on beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets are always complaining about being broke and not feeling well?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 16:53:00 - [18] Edited by: j0sephine on 06/02/2007 16:52:48 "With the introduction of motherships and titans the solo pwnmobiles were born. Was this intended or should it be changed?" To be fair, Oveur said battleship shouldn't be solo pwnmobile... motherships and titans are a bit bigger than that in term of investment, limited insurance etc. that said yes, their immunity is imo potential issue, so i'd hope they're looking into it o.O; (bumping and nossing were cited as ways to 'deal with it', but tbh cap drainers don't need even more widespread use and "one size to beat all" functionality, and bumping on the whole is just... meh --;
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:09:00 - [19] These ships cost a fair amount of ISK, cannot be docked in a normal station and require a POS with soverignty to build. It's a lot of hardwork and in return you get a ship which is hard to kill but isn't hard to neutralise. Why is it everyone is so keen to make every single ship as easy to kill as the next.
Tiuwaz Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Krugerrand These ships cost a fair amount of ISK, cannot be docked in a normal station and require a POS with soverignty to build. It's a lot of hardwork and in return you get a ship which is hard to kill but isn't hard to neutralise. Why is it everyone is so keen to make every single ship as easy to kill as the next. its not about easy, it is about possible. As it stands now Motherships and Titans are impossible to kill unless the pilot makes a major mistake like logging off with aggro ___________________________________
Buxaroo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Andargor theWise Erm, anyone using them solo is looking to lose them. AFAIK, they always come out with support, as they should. Those without balls do Guess you haven't seen Shrike's roaming about
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Buxaroo Guess you haven't seen Shrike's roaming about Would he do half of what he does solo without his precious immune-to-ew-pwn-mobile
Dao 2 The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Smagd Originally by: Splagada a dozen nano+drone-stuff with a dozen heavy arty+1 or 2 dreads support gets them. and the bill is not the same on each side, lol Have you read Seleenes Battle Report? Morsus Mihi and friends had over 70 ships there including about 6 capital ships, and yes they WERE bumping and yes they KNOW the theories you recite, and they additionally knew about warp bubbles, except unlike you actually used them with much praise from the MC which sort of indicates they're no total noobs, and guess what: They couldn't stop EITHER of the two motherships from warping. To date no mothership is known killed in action, and that includes one very obnoxious pirate mothership lazily racking up, what's the current count, over 1000 kills? It's almost like Heikki in his best smartbombing time Having said that, I don't think they should be changed. You kill their fighters, they jump out and lick their wounds. no ur completely wrong. ONE thign was bumping it in the end, which was a vagabond. Because it had large smartbombs it was popping all the figthers and drones, and also no one got in web range of it. But it took what 30 ****ign minutes to get out of that large bubble? Why didn't they kill it? because they weren't expecting it and they weren't setup for it. If they really wanted to kill it they needed to have their new arrivals come in battleships loaded with heavy nos and a few neuts and self remote repairing drones. Then have maybe 5 or so huginns (I think those are the web range ones?) in their webbing it, not all at the same time so the figthers couldn't go after it but you have one web it and when he sends figthers on him have ur support kill the figthers and keep repping him with those drones! sure he may die but u got 4 or so left and he ain't gonna go anywhere fast ;p. Why do i say huginns? because they would be outa the smartbomb range, though this could also be done with faction/officer smartbombs... Also pulling carriers out on it was bad and they shoulda stopped because of the smartbombs they figthers would go pop. Get those pilots into dreadnaughts, thats when you get some real stuff going on. If they can't get into dreadnaughts have those carriers kit up with as many heavy neutralizers as they can. One of their bigger problems was their lack of capital ships, from that battle report it seems like they had ONE carrier, just one. The best way to take down a mothership or especially a titan would be some dreads, support as well of course but dreads is where its at. Actually they were only 3 carriers and 2 motherships, you could leave the huginns out, have the sniper fleet concentrate on each of the carriers in turn and have 5 dreadnaughts, yes 5 ;p. Or more if you can! each with a webifier fitted and a heavy tank. They go into siege mode and each keep one of the ships webified. Won't be going anywhere ;) Still gonna need some bships with heavy nos and neuts nossing them from outside of the smartbomb range though so they can't jump. (Unless they can't jump in a bubble, which I don't know, I know they can't warp.) So really they're problem was that they weren't ready for it. They didn't know it was coming so they didn't prepare and when they had it there they probably just asked for anything and everything to come and kill it. The lack of capitals and something that could tie it down was a big problem. The bubble shoulda been the death of those motherships. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:58:00 - [24] Originally by: DarkFenix Bubble them. Problem solved. Officer smartbomb goes off, kills bubble, they jump out. Problem most definitely not solved.
Dao 2 The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.06 17:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Krugerrand These ships cost a fair amount of ISK, cannot be docked in a normal station and require a POS with soverignty to build. It's a lot of hardwork and in return you get a ship which is hard to kill but isn't hard to neutralise. Why is it everyone is so keen to make every single ship as easy to kill as the next. its not about easy, it is about possible. As it stands now Motherships and Titans are impossible to kill unless the pilot makes a major mistake like logging off with aggro very killable you just got be ready for it ;p no normal gang or fleet is gonna be able to kill it, but if you're ready for it and you got yourselfs in the right ships to kill it, its easily done. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:01:00 - [26] Doa is right you got to gank em with dreads.No point in using carriars on a MoM. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
Taram Caldar Acheron Vanguard Armada The Makhai	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). Bubble them. Problem solved. Aren't they almost as big as the bubble itself? Not by a long long long shot :) LOL And they're slow as crap. Throw dictor bubbles up and they're toast. No need for nanobumpers. Just bubble them and proceed to pound. You can kill even a Titan with enough battleships. Remember: Once you get their cap below 75% they can't cyno out.
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:09:00 - [28] Originally by: darklegionca I would love to see a nano titan comming but would they go as fast as the nano battleships gotta go try that on the testserver Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:20:00 - [29] Originally by: DarkFenix Originally by: Wild Rho Wouldn't mind seeing this "immune to warp scrambling" being removed and instead giving them somthing like a built in WCS value that can be overcome instead. It at least means if the titan/ms pilot screws up the enemy has more options to stop them than trying to ram them with nano capitals (which tbh is bloody silly as tactics go). Bubble them. Problem solved. problem with bubbles is they dont stop warps already in progress. all the mothership has to do is see the dictor MWDing to hit, turn on the officer smartbombs, and hit warp. if the dictor survives to drop the bubble, who cares...youll warp eventually, and kill the dictor. Originally by: Snuggly It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.02.06 18:25:00 - [30] titan solopwnmobile? wtf? ok M/S's i understand but why shouldn't they be when they are risking that much isk. but dude titan can't solo for ****. once his doomsday device has gone off he's a sitting duck tbh DE

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