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Soule
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Posted - 2003.12.11 14:44:00 -
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I have been told by a polaris member that tests are under way to force battleships into 0.0, espeically for mining.
I have no problem with battleships having to mine in 0.0 (I think in theory its a good thing) What concerns me is what CCP are going to do to aid the small corp in 0.0.
0.0 is pretty much owned by alliances with high requirements which result in small corps not being able to join, or not affording the fees that the alliances charge. This all will make 0.0 mining for small corps almost impossible, and again making it hard for a small corporation to grow and develop, giving larger corporations and alliances yet again an even stronger foothold.
My question is (and i hope a developer will read and give some serious thought to) what measures will be taken to ensure that there will be room for all players and varying size corporations?
I have worked long and hard to build my corp up as have all my corp mates, alot of time and hard work has been put in to make sure we are growing and developing. We cant yet compete with large corps, but as far as a small corp is concerned I would guess that we are doing pretty well. Is all mine and my corp members hard work been for nothing?
I love eve and feel that on the whole CCP are doing a great job with it, but this is the first time I have ever felt strongly enough on a subject to think about whether I have a future in eve.
If there is anymore information on what will happen on Battleships being forced into 0.0 I would much appreciate as much information as possible so I can start planning ahead for that eventuality.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.11 15:54:00 -
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there is CFS that allows you to mine in their territory. You can also join alliances if u want ( i think NVA needs any help they can get). You can also pay daily passes and do your thing in the alliance territory. You always have options mate...
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.12.12 02:09:00 -
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I feel you. We are a small corp of rich Freelancers and have worked/and are working to make a name for ourselves. But I don't think a lot of BS owners should have them. I don't think a lot of Cruiser owners have gotten the potential from them.
This change will separate the worthy from the unworthy and splash water on the face of young space cadets trying their damnedest to get a BS before its time. 0.0 mining is that wakeup call. Will make Thorax Mining in high security a viable solution for BS pilots... and its not all that bad.
So hopefully this is a change for the best... only time will tell. As for corporations go... if your corporation is built around empire mining... then maybe you need to rethink your corporate goals? When the game play changes... we have to as well.
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2003.12.12 07:14:00 -
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Sorry but you can't go to 0.0.
All the 0.0 space is controlled by the big5 Alliances:
SA, CA, FA, NVA, CFS
They built an ebil cartel to keep you all inside empire space. And the spread news about wars between them just to make you stay in empire space.
So sorry for you, but you will have to stay in empire space, as there's not a single free system left for you.
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McFly
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Posted - 2003.12.12 10:15:00 -
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Sorry but you can't go to 0.0.
All the 0.0 space is controlled by the big5 Alliances:
SA, CA, FA, NVA, CFS
They built an ebil cartel to keep you all inside empire space. And the spread news about wars between them just to make you stay in empire space.
So sorry for you, but you will have to stay in empire space, as there's not a single free system left for you.
Last I checked, any and all could go mine or hunt in CFS space (Khanid/JK-Fix) as long as your not a pirate. I personally been there several times and had no major problems. Most problems there are the c0w and m0o pirates I've seen there in the last week, they usually go for the first indy they can or a lone pilot.
CFS is usually pretty quick to jump in to track then rats down(or some of them just log and dont face whats coming to em). But my point is CFS space is open to all but pirates
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Arthur Guinness
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:10:00 -
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Sorry but you can't go to 0.0.
All the 0.0 space is controlled by the big5 Alliances:
SA, CA, FA, NVA, CFS
They built an ebil cartel to keep you all inside empire space. And the spread news about wars between them just to make you stay in empire space.
So sorry for you, but you will have to stay in empire space, as there's not a single free system left for you.
Last I checked, any and all could go mine or hunt in CFS space (Khanid/JK-Fix) as long as your not a pirate. I personally been there several times and had no major problems. Most problems there are the c0w and m0o pirates I've seen there in the last week, they usually go for the first indy they can or a lone pilot.
CFS is usually pretty quick to jump in to track then rats down(or some of them just log and dont face whats coming to em). But my point is CFS space is open to all but pirates
you sure? that would p0wn !!!!!111!!!
ppl could actually go to non empire space then?
good to know!!!!!!!!111!!
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.12.12 11:35:00 -
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OK and I personally find that an  idea.
I make my money mining all day and alone with a BS in empire space and selling the common minerals to players that mine Megacyte/Zydrine in .0 systems (they pay me in Megacyte/Zydrine and/or cash).
Why ... because I plainly suck in combat (always did, in any game) and find no fun in it.
If I would have to move out into 0.0 to be able to mine then I can give up right now.
Or is there anyone willing to spend 16 hrs/day (Mon to Sun) covering me while I am mining ?
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moocows
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Posted - 2003.12.12 13:32:00 -
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16 hours a day, every day? get out more 
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fras
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Posted - 2003.12.12 14:16:00 -
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Maybe u have to mine alone because u picked the name FingerTheif!
"FingerTheif come haul some ore"
"FingerTheif come help move some BP's"
I can't see it somehow
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:10:00 -
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Maybe u have to mine alone because u picked the name FingerTheif!
"FingerTheif come haul some ore"
"FingerTheif come help move some BP's"
I can't see it somehow
I have to admit ... the choice of name was rather ... hm ... unhappy.
Was playing E&B (same name) thought I take a look at EVE and got stuck with the name ...
But ... don't just a player by it's name (or was that don't judge a book by it's cover) ... sadly enuff ... I don't live up to the name :)
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FingerThief
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Posted - 2003.12.12 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: FingerThief on 12/12/2003 15:37:40
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16 hours a day, every day? get out more
OK ... mainly 5 out of 7 every week ! But still 14/16 hrs min per session !
Forcing BS miners into 0.0 sure as hell will take the fun out of it for me.
But IMHO the problem ain't the BS miners in Empire space ... the bottom of the problem is the frelled up roid growth all over the place.
If that would be sorted and there would be enuff ore for everyone the "Force BS miners our of Empire space" movement would die down rather fast.
Another nail into the coffin is that whatever you do to kill a ship, all the minerals are lost. Taking a real-life check here shows me that whatever I do to blow up me car, debris is all over the place ... I can collect that without problem.
EVE otoh ... you kill a ship ... you get (maybe) a module that you can refine and might get enuff to replace the ammo used to kill it.
Oh ... nother big fat nail into the coffin -> Mobile refineries ...
I just thought that one up -> If you get 8% of the station refining (right ?) you have to mine 12 times as long to get the amount of ores.
Which means if you mine for 2 hours ... then spend 4 hours hauling (maybe more then one jump) you STILL will mine double of what you could do with refining in place !
That bring me to an idea posted ages back ... CCP, please introduce new ship classes, namely BARGES (defined as: A long, large, usually flatbottom boat for transporting freight that is generally unpowered and towed or pushed by other craft) take away the unpowered, drop the HiSlots, just 1 MedSlot and some LowSlots and I give it some substantial cargo space !
<Edit> Or at least a ship where you can COLLECT some of the std cargo containers (the jettisoned ones, let's say 4/6 or 8) and then slowly drive them home. You kill the ship 40 to 60% of the containers blow up, the rest is up for grabs. There would be some interesting scenarios with convoys and protection etc. by implementing dat !</edit>
Don't reply me that there is such a ship (TITAN) since there isn't (... yet).
I think, from a RP point of view, mankind (EVE universe) has to have serious problems since in I dunno how many years of evolution, invention etc they didn't come up with a feasable way to shipper ore (not minerals) around.
Well, as usual it started with BS into 0.0 and I ended up with writing bout something totally different. Forgive me ... but I just felt like it ... now you can flame me !
ciao ciao
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Kunming
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Posted - 2003.12.12 16:18:00 -
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/emote flames FingerThief
With so much untrust going on (scams, PKing, etc.) how could u choose such a nick!?
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.12.12 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 12/12/2003 18:49:16
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Last I checked, any and all could go mine or hunt in CFS space (Khanid/JK-Fix) as long as your not a pirate.
People are also free to do anything but pirate in Pure Blind (an NVA protectorate north of Torrinos). It is a somewhat dangerous area due to pirate and pirate-hunter activity but NVA forces won't kill you in Pure Blind unless you've got a history of piracy (or are trying it right then). Granted no one can guarantee you will be free from pirate attack, but then that's pretty much the norm for <0.5 space isn't it?
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.12 21:48:00 -
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lol they might go and force BS's in 0.0 BUT the problem is that hmm they nerfed bs's down and the mwd and stuff... so now its a pain in ass to do anything and esp to just travel in a BS... i feel sorry for haulers
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Illustrial
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Posted - 2003.12.13 05:28:00 -
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I have to agree with Soule's original post. Not all players in eve are after the same thing or play the same way. I am a one man corperation and have worked very hard to get my BS. In fact it took me over a month of mnining and damn near lost my job doing it... (yes, i am a loser). I have never been in 0.0 space and simply have no desire to do so. I do not enjoy the possibility of losing all my hard work to some guy who gets his rocks off by blowing up other ships. I am not a combat character and as I am the only member of my Corperation, have no such skills at my disposal. I love Eve for it intricacies. I love the chat rooms that scroll as I mine and I love the community of people whom I have come to call friends that tell me of their exploits in the Game. The simple truth is that should I be displaced into 0.0 space, I would simply not survive to mine a single unit of bistot or whatever is out there. Could I simply use a cruiser to mine instead... yeah, but I shouldn't have to. I have found areas of empire space that few, if any, mine. I do not see why I should have to diminish my production capabilities. There simply is no need. Finnally, for those die-hards who are offended by the notion that there are people out there who buy BS just to mine with, consider that not all tools are designed for one thing. A battleship is the best mining tool there is in Eve, so that is what I use. So, with all that said, I do hope that the developers consider the varying styles of game play and allow the palayers to control eve by not forcing such restrictions.
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Loraine Riesel
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Posted - 2003.12.13 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Loraine Riesel on 13/12/2003 08:55:02
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CCP can prepare for a huge drop in players (ie: loose much income in $$ ÇÇ), when implementing the non-empire-BS-mining, JIP feature, change in mwd's and afterburners with the implementation of the patch this Monday! |
Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.12.14 04:44:00 -
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I think they will apply a patch after the patch to patch the patch. I don't think these changes will last long and have not been tested or tweaked long enuff. This is being thrown in to satisfy our lust for patch.
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