Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 07/02/2007 10:06:23

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An eagle can fit 4 ion IIs; 2 medium nos, tank, web, scram and mwd in mids; also then have damage mods etc on low without the need of powergrid rigs which leaves you to put better tanking on rigs if you want.

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An eagle with 4 Ion IIs, a web, scram, and MWD has a two slot tank, and 3 damage mods.

A Deimos can fit 5 Ion IIs, a web, scram, MWD, and 3 damage mods...

With the same two slot tank ;) And by "the same two slot tank", i mean a 3 slot tank

And the deimos will have more cap, and 52.5% more damage[1 extra gun and a double damage bonus]. With only the guns, it adds 5 medium drones[another 158 DPS] on top of that.

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Not to mention that an eagle is a long range hac, that beneftis from its slot layout at long range. Having an eagle with a MWD, and a "two-slot-half-backed-Tank" is as effectiv as having no tank. With an em hardener, and a large sb ur not boosting much and even when boosting u wont last long. Comparing eagle to deimos just because of the hybrid guns is as comparing a phoon to a Raven just because of the Launchers.


On teh deimos topic, well first off iam not such a freind of the deimos that is because its once nosed and webbed pretty dead. But for smaller gangs it might help as a dd, but personaly if i would be able to fly a deimos would fly it long range due to the fact, that its lack of capacitor and defense towards nos.

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Originally by: Pord

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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Originally by: Goumindong

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Edited by: Goumindong on 07/02/2007 10:06:23

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An eagle can fit 4 ion IIs; 2 medium nos, tank, web, scram and mwd in mids; also then have damage mods etc on low without the need of powergrid rigs which leaves you to put better tanking on rigs if you want.

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An eagle with 4 Ion IIs, a web, scram, and MWD has a two slot tank, and 3 damage mods.

A Deimos can fit 5 Ion IIs, a web, scram, MWD, and 3 damage mods...

With the same two slot tank ;) And by "the same two slot tank", i mean a 3 slot tank

And the deimos will have more cap, and 52.5% more damage[1 extra gun and a double damage bonus]. With only the guns, it adds 5 medium drones[another 158 DPS] on top of that.

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Not to mention that an eagle is a long range hac, that beneftis from its slot layout at long range. Having an eagle with a MWD, and a "two-slot-half-backed-Tank" is as effectiv as having no tank. With an em hardener, and a large sb ur not boosting much and even when boosting u wont last long. Comparing eagle to deimos just because of the hybrid guns is as comparing a phoon to a Raven just because of the Launchers.


On teh deimos topic, well first off iam not such a freind of the deimos that is because its once nosed and webbed pretty dead. But for smaller gangs it might help as a dd, but personaly if i would be able to fly a deimos would fly it long range due to the fact, that its lack of capacitor and defense towards nos.

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You want to try large shield extender II and a invun II. If you then add on 2 em rigs which are cheapish now you get over 70% across the board on resists with over 5000 shield. You would also find it can deal out alot of damage (true not as much as the deimos) but still alot and the nos helps to drain the target. The deimos cannot get these resists and the cap wont last as long but will do more damage in a shorter amount of time

As for going long range on the deimos with rails its hard to fit aswell.

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Originally by: Denrace

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You have the HIGHEST DPS OF ANY CRUISER IN THE GAME.

Make bloody do.

OOh, lets give a 1000 more grid, 10 more turrets and another dmg bonus eh?

Be frickin grateful its not a Sacrilege.

Den

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Originally by: Pord

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You want to try large shield extender II and a invun II. If you then add on 2 em rigs which are cheapish now you get over 70% across the board on resists with over 5000 shield. You would also find it can deal out alot of damage (true not as much as the deimos) but still alot and the nos helps to drain the target. The deimos cannot get these resists and the cap wont last as long but will do more damage in a shorter amount of time

As for going long range on the deimos with rails its hard to fit aswell.

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Originally by: Denrace

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You have the HIGHEST DPS OF ANY CRUISER IN THE GAME.

Make bloody do.

OOh, lets give a 1000 more grid, 10 more turrets and another dmg bonus eh?

Be frickin grateful its not a Sacrilege.

Den

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Originally by: Deathbarrage

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i fly both the zealot and the sacrilege and a sac will kill a deimos to be friggin honest deimos sux it's a flying brick it can't put its dps to use, worst HAC in game if you ask me, honestly

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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe

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Originally by: Deathbarrage

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i fly both the zealot and the sacrilege and a sac will kill a deimos to be friggin honest deimos sux it's a flying brick it can't put its dps to use, worst HAC in game if you ask me, honestly

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You like so many others have completely missed the point of the ship. Gallente already have a solo HAC, the Ishtar. For that simple reason Gallente is not going to get another solo pwnmobile hac but rather something that excells in a differnce area, gangs. The Deimos is king of DPS when it comes to cruiser sized platforms and the trade off for this extreme firepower is a cap weakness which honestly can be taken care of by a cap power relay and a cap capacity rig.

Use the damn ship in a gang along side an ewar bird and stop *****ing and moaning because it's unable to solo all the other HACs. If you want a solo pwnmobile HAC get the ishtar, if you want a gang level heavy hitter take the Deimos, nuff said.

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Originally by: Deathbarrage

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any sensible gang you're attacking with your gang will primary the deimos since it has most dps but can't take heat and will be sliced thru like butter

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Originally by: Denrace

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You have the HIGHEST DPS OF ANY CRUISER IN THE GAME.

Make bloody do.

OOh, lets give a 1000 more grid, 10 more turrets and another dmg bonus eh?

Be frickin grateful its not a Sacrilege.

Den

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Originally by: Denrace

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You have the HIGHEST DPS OF ANY CRUISER IN THE GAME.

Make bloody do.

OOh, lets give a 1000 more grid, 10 more turrets and another dmg bonus eh?

Be frickin grateful its not a Sacrilege.

Den

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Originally by: Richard Masterson

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Just a question.

Why don't you use rails?

Now before you flame me, think about the following:

1. Yes, I KNOW it's a blasterboat. Just because something was designed that way DOESN'T mean you have to use it that way. People put blasters on Eagles and autocannons on Muninns. In many cases it works out well because it's not what people are expecting.
2. You instantly start doing damage.
3. When flying with a gang and other tacklers, you can use the MWD bonus to keep at the appropriate range. This allows you to disengage if required.

I agree with you completely that in order to fill it's intended role, the Deimos needs changes. The problem is, it's intended role is a solopwnmobilebattleshipkiller.

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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe

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Originally by: Deathbarrage

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any sensible gang you're attacking with your gang will primary the deimos since it has most dps but can't take heat and will be sliced thru like butter

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So your problem with the Deimos is that people know that it does allot of damage and inturn have tactics to deal with it? Brilliant man, you get a sticker.

Anyhoo, my real question is this: Are you sore because some people are smart and adapt to fight the ship, or are you sore because some people are dumb and want the ship to adapt to them?

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Originally by: Pord

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Quite frankly yes it does do alot of damage but when you can consider taking a blaster eagle (beagle) which can tank and deal alot of damage why would you risk a deimos most of the time?
An eagle can fit 4 ion IIs; 2 medium nos, tank, web, scram and mwd in mids; also then have damage mods etc on low without the need of powergrid rigs which leaves you to put better tanking on rigs if you want.
Can the deimos do all this? NO! It can fit a comprimise of a tank/gank with the use of 2 60mill powergrid rigs taking up thouse two slots.

The main two things are speed/agility as atm it feels like a battleship and more powergrid to allow us (without the need of rigs) to atleast fit a tank and ion IIs like all othter blaster ships.

The deimos is SLOWER than the thorax! Only other ship that is slower than its T1 counterpart is the cerberus but since its a missile boat and has a very nice range with its missiles it doesnt need the speed to get in range to do the damage. Ontop of that.... its slower by 10m/s unlike cerb which is only about 2m/s. What good is a blaster if you cant get in range? Sure can be high damage but if ur not in range u cant do any damage. As for people who say use rails..... ok where is the powergrid to realistically fit them properly?

The powergrid only gets a small increase of around 3.6% and 10% for the CPU with max electronics/engineering. The CPU isnt a problem as there is still spare but the opwergrid is lacking LOTS.

As for people asking for another mid slot. Yeah this would be nice but you have to see the other main issues first. If need be we can drop a web and use webber drones etc but with the speed issue as it is this needs to be sorted first

People say use nanos - ok yeah that will make us go faster and be more agile BUT makes us even more paper thin.
People say use a plate - Gives more HP but gives more mass wise.
People say use powergrid rigs - 60mill each and no other ship needs rigs to become a ship you can fit properly.

Im not asking for a solo pwn mobile just some improvements to make it a viable ship.

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