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San Raal
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Posted - 2007.02.07 22:01:00 -
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Can anyone feedback on the impact BPC ME/PE & Runs have on invention jobs? Ive heard that high ME/PE can potentially hurt invention chances and Maximum runs increase chances of higher run T2 BPC.
Given core usage is constant in any job the later is of particular interest.
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Artmedis Valben
Gallente
Lobster of Babel
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Posted - 2007.02.08 11:33:00 -
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I dont think any relationship between the two is known to anyone except the devs.
I personally think there ought to be a relationship, and that high research level should at least partially offset the negative ME/PE of an invented BPC. I believe it is the use of encryptors to augment ME/PE/max runs that decreases your chance of success, and from the little knowledge I have of successful Invention jobs the research stats on the original print seem to have little or no effect on the outcome in terms of ME/PE/runs. ME100/PE50/300run module BPCs still give negative ME/PE and less than 20 runs.
Paint by numbers encryptors seem to have little chance of success as do max run encryptors. So most successful invention jobs give really crappy BPCs. The base chance even when using meta items as components in the job seem low even with all 3 relavant skills at level 4 only about half the module jobs succeed. Less if you use augmentors to try to get a good BPC. The chance of success is even slimmer with rig BPC or ship BPC invention jobs.
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SC0RPY
Top Technology
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Posted - 2007.02.11 10:24:00 -
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If I will use for example 1run BPC - so what ? I can not find any dev posts about impact BPC ME/PE & Runs. Why do I need to use maximum run BPC's ?
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ramshik
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Posted - 2007.02.11 12:20:00 -
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If you dont use a max run tech I bpc you wont get a max run (14 runs using the best decryptor) tech II bpc from the job.
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SC0RPY
Top Technology
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Posted - 2007.02.11 16:42:00 -
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Are you sure ? And if I will use 20run bpc ?
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.11 18:02:00 -
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Runs in my experience is the MOST important thing about invention, because you get so few runs out and you need as many as possible to get your invention cost per run down to below market value. Anyone trying to do invention without max-run BPCs is crazy, and this is why cloak invention is so screwed - it takes 10 days to make a max run BPC, so months to get enough to do a serious batch.
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.02.11 19:15:00 -
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 Originally by: El Yatta
Runs in my experience is the MOST important thing about invention, because you get so few runs out and you need as many as possible to get your invention cost per run down to below market value. Anyone trying to do invention without max-run BPCs is crazy, and this is why cloak invention is so screwed - it takes 10 days to make a max run BPC, so months to get enough to do a serious batch.
Isnt cloak researched screwed due to the lack of a tier 1 meta item too?
Taur
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.11 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Taurequis
Originally by: El Yatta
Runs in my experience is the MOST important thing about invention, because you get so few runs out and you need as many as possible to get your invention cost per run down to below market value. Anyone trying to do invention without max-run BPCs is crazy, and this is why cloak invention is so screwed - it takes 10 days to make a max run BPC, so months to get enough to do a serious batch.
Isnt cloak researched screwed due to the lack of a tier 1 meta item too?
Taur
You can put a T1 in and you will still get a benefit, just accept that it wont be as good as if you could put in a meta item. Its still profitable to invent cloaks, and it is still possible to bring the prices down- IF you can source the BPCs, and it seems the only likely way of doing it is to have a Large research POS almost totally dedicated to copying 8-10 proto cloak BPOs in order to turn out enough for a batch in reasonable time. That is much more than is required by the rest of module invention or indeed ship invention.
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Barbicane
Minmatar
The Gun Club
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.02.11 20:53:00 -
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In my very limited experience with invention, I used a 1000-run, me200, pe100 t1 BPC as input.
The result was a 5-run, me -7, pe -4 t2 BPC. Go figure.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.11 23:00:00 -
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@ the last poster, thats nice, but its not really helpfull if we don't know the other variables like your skills, meta item you put in and decryptor used.
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SC0RPY
Top Technology
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Posted - 2007.02.18 07:03:00 -
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I used a 40-run, me0, pe0 t1 BPC as input (Prototype Cloaking Device I).
The result was a 8-run, me -7, pe -2 t2 BPC (Covert Ops Cloaking Device II). Go figure.
So my question is - why do I need to use max run bpc and if anyone used it - what is your result ? I mean how much runs do you have on t2 BPC ?
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Kaahles
Decadence.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.18 07:09:00 -
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Did 2 invention jobs for testing some days ago. Both with a ME80/PE0 T1 BPC with max runs (can't remember how much this is exactly but should be easy to figure our unfortunately I can't login atm to check) and the results where:
Job 1: nothing
Job 2: 14 run Heavy Missile Launcher T2 with ME -7 and some negative PE (think -4 maybe)
can't remember the used decrypters, meta items where LIMOS Launcher.
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Stryker Zee
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.18 18:55:00 -
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I've not noticed any impact to my t2 sales.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.18 20:36:00 -
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There isnt much information on the topic this is because invention is an expensive thing to do. (Personal view warning: things that should be inventable such as hulks/t2 ammo/t2 ships are currently not possible or very hard) The thing that makes it somewhat profitable is to have your corp actually research for the data cores, its the only way to get the price down.
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Midshipman Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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