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Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:30:00 - [1] wow 47 pages of: - Omg bob must be banzored - omg he cheated, banzor him and everyone else we dont like with him - omg I will close my account if you dont banzor -insert victim- now! All I see is alot of envy. The same envy that goes towards certain alliances ingame because they are better at what they do than you. T20 did bad things, and as kieron mentioned he has been punished. End of story. Everyone else who feels they have been violated, lied to or what not do the following: 1 - walk away from computer 2 - walk to a mirror 3 - look at yourselv in mirror 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times 5 - Still angry? Return to step 3 6 - Feeling better now? Good... go shoot someone in lowsec. Please, please grow up. What the dev did is bad and CCP has handled the situation as professionaly as possible if you ask me. If you dont want to support CCP I suggest you cancel your accounts as fast as possible. Because whining here about how violated you feel wont get you anywhere. God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:41:00 - [2] Originally by: Prestidigitator IMO, he's only confessed to the one thing that could actually be proved. While the history of a BPO is tangible and can be traced back, there's no way for CCP to prove that he misused his 'knowledge of the game' or passed on information. Say 'The matter is closed' as much as you want, but i'm afraid this still stinks to high heaven imho.[/quote Cancel your subscribtion then. You look rediculos trying to be the "wise man" here. Go in peace. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:43:00 - [3] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally [:ugh: Why does it make me a bob-alt ? Because I dont jump on the bandwagon? Your bitterness is understandable but... its just a game. Cancel your subscription if you dont like it. Go in peace. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Maximus barabus /me tajes deep breath..... OH WAIT it is a game but i pay my rl hard erned cash to run my acounts (plural)[/quote and? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 11:49:00 - [5] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: ceaon Originally by: Eron Lygera 4 - say "Its just a game" out loud 10 times yes is just a game, a game that i pay whit real world money so we can be damn serious about that Not just a game if you pay a monthly subscription for more than 2 years.. It's a hobby and most people get passionate about their hobbies... May be just a game to you but not to most. I've payed the sub for long as well. But its still just a game. Look, you have lost NOTHING to this scandal. Nothing. You have no reason to be burning down houses. Had he not cheated you would STILL had payed the same sub. Your passion is one we all share, but if you can become bitter at the degree you show us all here you really need a brake. (and need to get laid too). Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Spinnukur I think the question we should all be asking, is 'Why hasn't a BOB Director or CEO, come out to defend themselves, if their so innocent?' Or to atleast publicly say, 'We had no knowledge of T20's action, and deny any wrong doing, on the alliances and all corps within the alliances's behalf...' Don't give me that BS answer of, 'Do you know what time it is', BOB has players in all time zones all over the world, I more then asure you that theirs always at least 'one' director on. At least some kind of response from BOB HC would be nice. Because the community has decided that what ever a bob director/ceo/leader/member says they are lying. Bob cant say a thing on theese forums without it being spinned. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Eron Lygera Thats why I call the "leave if you dont like it" card. SO you don't like us being mad about this? then why don't you leave? I dont care how mad you are. I care for the reasons. Thats why Im still here. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:10:00 - [8] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: Spyres Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally [:ugh: Why does it make me a bob-alt ? Because I dont jump on the bandwagon? Your bitterness is understandable but... its just a game. Cancel your subscription if you dont like it. Go in peace. See, I think you miss the point. Sure, it's a game. Sure, it's relatively unimportant in most people's lives, compared to RL things, but come on. You MUST see how people feel cheated by this. It doesn't matter that those BPOs were pretty ordinary, relatively speaking. What matters is that people pay money to play this game, and whether or not they are directly involved in actions that are affected by BOB, the fact remains that a dev gave an advantage to someone. That's not on. There is nothing you can say to change that. You may think it's petty, you may think it's not all that bad, and you'd be right nine times out of ten. However, a lot of people find this offensive, and an insult to their loyalty to the CCP through their continued subscriptions. Sure, you can tell people if they have a problem they can just quit, but that's basically a nonsense response given that people part with cash monthly. It is a cop out. I think CCP owes every player here an individual apology, at the very least. Good answer, well written. Yes its offensive, yes its sucks and yes I was suprised that it had happened the way it did my self. But still... its just a game. If you are truly angry - I mean really angry - then what are you angry at? - CCP? - T20 for being a tard? - BoB? - Or are you just joining the bandwagon with the usual "we dont like bob" Because basically this is a bob thread. Or has evolved into one. So many would love to see Sirmolle involved and have him banned. Had T20 been in some minor alliance this would have never been discovered. Why? Because people dont care. But alot of people hate bob (or think they do, because their friends does... so I better do the same). And thats what I see here. Thats why I call the "leave if you dont like it" card. This post got at bit fuzzy, but I hope you get the picture. I didn't realize this was an anti-BoB thread until you just pointed it out.. Or maybe BoB wants to think it is because they want the eve-universe to revolve around them. Either way, I don't care. I only care about the poor CCP reaction and the cheating. If Tuxford had been the GM I'd be saying the same thing. I don't care what alliance it was.. the corruption itself is a cavity that needs to be drilled. Had this been about T20 and CCP alone I doubt it would have grown to 50 pages. and it would have been free of people like you who obviously dont like bob. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Dionisius BoB with this previledged aquisitions have gained an unfair advantage on everybody else. So yes its just a game, and yes while they were cheating we still had to pay but thats simply it, who can garantee that, that same ISK wasn't used to buy/build/fit ships that destroyed other items from other players?... sure its a part of the game but still they didn't earned it, its like stealing others their enjoyment of the game, because its NOT FAIR. They should loose all the ISK aquired in transactions made by selling items out of those BPO's. Oh, and CCP did the right thing by admiting this whole thing.[/quote So who are you mad at? T20 for stealing the BPO or CPP for not reacting harder when they first discovered it? Or bob for just... being the alliance that the guy chose to join. Stop bandwagoning. You suffered no losses. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:25:00 - [10] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: Spyres Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN I see the BoB alts are filtering in finally [:ugh: Why does it make me a bob-alt ? Because I dont jump on the bandwagon? Your bitterness is understandable but... its just a game. Cancel your subscription if you dont like it. Go in peace. See, I think you miss the point. Sure, it's a game. Sure, it's relatively unimportant in most people's lives, compared to RL things, but come on. You MUST see how people feel cheated by this. It doesn't matter that those BPOs were pretty ordinary, relatively speaking. What matters is that people pay money to play this game, and whether or not they are directly involved in actions that are affected by BOB, the fact remains that a dev gave an advantage to someone. That's not on. There is nothing you can say to change that. You may think it's petty, you may think it's not all that bad, and you'd be right nine times out of ten. However, a lot of people find this offensive, and an insult to their loyalty to the CCP through their continued subscriptions. Sure, you can tell people if they have a problem they can just quit, but that's basically a nonsense response given that people part with cash monthly. It is a cop out. I think CCP owes every player here an individual apology, at the very least. Good answer, well written. Yes its offensive, yes its sucks and yes I was suprised that it had happened the way it did my self. But still... its just a game. If you are truly angry - I mean really angry - then what are you angry at? - CCP? - T20 for being a tard? - BoB? - Or are you just joining the bandwagon with the usual "we dont like bob" Because basically this is a bob thread. Or has evolved into one. So many would love to see Sirmolle involved and have him banned. Had T20 been in some minor alliance this would have never been discovered. Why? Because people dont care. But alot of people hate bob (or think they do, because their friends does... so I better do the same). And thats what I see here. Thats why I call the "leave if you dont like it" card. This post got at bit fuzzy, but I hope you get the picture. I didn't realize this was an anti-BoB thread until you just pointed it out.. Or maybe BoB wants to think it is because they want the eve-universe to revolve around them. Either way, I don't care. I only care about the poor CCP reaction and the cheating. If Tuxford had been the GM I'd be saying the same thing. I don't care what alliance it was.. the corruption itself is a cavity that needs to be drilled. Had this been about T20 and CCP alone I doubt it would have grown to 50 pages. and it would have been free of people like you who obviously dont like bob. Man, I'd say swallow but yer already full of yerself... It's not that I don't like BoB (Even though you seem obsessive about a fictitious "corp" in a "video game" as stated by another poster) but what I do find irritating is the inevitable "Quit if ya dont like it", "Yera nub", and other misc posts indicative of the single-celled-forum-trolls that occur after the BoB alts hit the thread. I applaud the players and their brilliant displays of intelligence but having some anonymous alt hop on a thread and call me a coward because I won't pay MORE money to run to Iceland to face the devs in regards to them cheating is just retarded.. Especially when that anonymous alt is a known BoB alt and won't even post with their main... Sad indeed. That being said. I still would like CCP to rectify this situation or my other 4 accounts will be cancelled and refunded by VISA.. That's another $3600.00 for a grand total of $7,200 Tell me, what action would you like to see from CCP? (in your own words please). Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 12:45:00 - [11] Originally by: KiLLaH KLoWN Originally by: Eron Lygera Tell me, what action would you like to see from CCP? (in your own words please). So what are you prompting me to prove that I have formulated and opinion? Sure, here goes, 1) T20: You sorry pimple on the ass of progress you may never play a character in Eve again. You may keep your job, but you may never enter the Eve universe under a recreational capacity again. 2) BPO's be re-seeded in T2 lottery (stated as intended to be done) 3) Either Kug gets his account re-instated or Sir Molle loses his. Don't care about corps or alliances they belong to but equal oppurtunity EULA totally. 4) A universal and OBVIOUS apology on Eve-online.com FRONT PAGE. C'Mon choke down your pride. 5) a game where the DEVs won't cheat! Anything you disagree with? Yes... most of it basically. 1) you cannot develop a game you cannont play. As in, you cannot make a wine you cannot taste yourself. 2) Here we agree, they should just be reseeded. Fine. 3) So because Molle could have known he was a dev he should be removed? And even if he knew, why do you automatically assume that they conspired to abuse it? (because you would have?) And then you want Kug reinstated although he did things that was wrong as well? (the end does not justify the means)Also, are you completely sure that the information kugusument provided was 110% accurate. That he didnt alter a line here and there, and that he didnt exclude things that would imply that other players innocense - because he clearly didnt like bob. I could know of a dev character in eve. So could you. Should we be banned? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Sixtyniner What he said. Trust is all we got, and since CCP abused it once it¦s gonna be twice as hard to convince us that nothing bad i sgoing on. So what do you suggest we do in the meantime? How will this alter you daily gaming? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Christopher Scott By the way, you have read kuugutsmen's logs and insider information, but you haven't read ours. Trust me, there is a LOT more dirt on CCP that has yet to be released from other alliances. We save our GM chatlogs, we carefully watch what our enemies admit in private conversations and in local. We have seen and recorded really suspicious activity with fraps and screenshots. We have testimonials from ex-BoB players and ISD members that have seen alot of underhanded stuff going on. We have been doing this for three years, and for good reason. The next three months are going to be very interesting. Question, what do you expect to gain from this? What result are you hoping for? And why should we wait three month? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:27:00 - [14] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Eron Lygera I dont care how mad you are. Are you sure? Because your posts per minute on this thread says you do care a lot. Read my post again: I do not care how mad you are. I care about the reasons. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Eron Lygera I dont care how mad you are. Are you sure? Because your posts per minute on this thread says you do care a lot. Read my post again: I do not care how mad you are. I care about the reasons. You mean the reasons of why we are mad? Yes... you posting with your alt suggests that its more than just bitterness at T20. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Eron Lygera Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Eron Lygera I dont care how mad you are. Are you sure? Because your posts per minute on this thread says you do care a lot. Read my post again: I do not care how mad you are. I care about the reasons. Your alt's seem to say you care about more than that. Or are Eron Lygera Nole Garyer Yoran Gerel all posting close to each other just a coincidence? Here, alphabetically for each name for ya: aeeglnorry aeeglnorry aeeglnorry You do seem worked up about it. busted. I ****** up on the rolldowns and decided to let it stay. But well done figuring it out. Yes Im worked up about it. But again, not because people are mad. But because of the reasons wich seem to apply bitterness towards other players more than bitterness at T20 who is the real perp. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Soon Tzu Originally by: Eron Lygera wow 47 pages of: <bob arse kissing sound> God, there are so many nubs in here. Grow up. Hi there bob alt, how ya doing bob alt? Go kiss ccp/bob arse in the coverup closet please, the paying customers don't need to see it... Hi there ASCN/D2/IRON/GOON alt, how ya doing alt? Sorry that you are so bitter at us for kicking your arse ingame. Perhaps you should start doing something about it instead of whining. Who are you mad at? T20 or bob? Ps. Dont nerf WCS!
Eron Lygera Gallente Sharded Awareness	Posted - 2007.02.10 13:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Mortania As for BoB, as I posted in my original post on page 50, you don't act arrogant and standoffish in this case. That they benefitted, no matter how small over others, means they need to be that much more diligent in their separating themselves from the events. ****ooing it is not what people who understand the gravity of the ethical violations should be doing. Ofcourse they benifitted, I guess thats why T20 did it in the first place. But did the bob-leaders know that they were building on a stolen BPO? And should they be punished even if it cant be proven that they did? We cant jugde people on speculation alone. And yet people want a spanish inquisition to roll over this particular alliance. But if we do that, every alliance and corp should have an equal "treatment". For all fairness sake. Im leaving the house now, but you are welcome to eve-mail me if you want to continue the discussion. Ps. Dont nerf WCS!

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