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Jayad
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Posted - 2003.12.13 03:11:00 -
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All pirate/alliance BS pilots BEWARE:
The empire bound corporations are equiping, locking and loading, no longer will we be pushed aside and return to Concord. You will not dismiss us so flippantly, lable us "Carebare" or thwart our deap space activites. Prepare for the rise of the "Fast-untrackable" Frigat, adjust or be sorry.
I request to all Noobs and Young corps to join ambitious coalitions to take redemtion on the gate campers, toll bearers, that permeate most of unsecure space. They are not invincible and belive me they are terified of your potential (Your new potential).
The fortunes of eve belongs to the population, not just the alliances, we will soon be granted the tools to rock there world. Its all within our reach.
Dance like a butterfly, sting like a bee
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Kunming
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Posted - 2003.12.13 04:02:00 -
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The era of battleships will end; a new era will be BORN... the ERA OF FRIGATES!
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.13 04:08:00 -
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yeah ok woteva...
6 wasps - check
2 large smartbombs - check
4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check...
bring it on
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2003.12.13 04:19:00 -
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I believe frigs will still remain a 1 volley kill, no? =] Or maybe I am mistaken, maybe they are also nerfing my bs terribly so :(
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 05:55:00 -
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yeah ok woteva...
6 wasps - check
2 large smartbombs - check
4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check...
bring it on
Agree's
It will take a lot more than this patch to make me dump my battleship collection in favour of 150k frigates
Mercenary | The Azath |
pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.13 05:59:00 -
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Come to pooti.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.13 06:14:00 -
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yeah ok woteva...
6 wasps - check
2 large smartbombs - check
4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check...
bring it on
Agree's
It will take a lot more than this patch to make me dump my battleship collection in favour of 150k frigates
To think that a handful of Rifters flown by people that have mostly engaged in mock fights/against NPC is going to go clubbing battleships like they're baby seals is lunacy.
But I dunno Nirvy. The Rifter is fun as hell with the new frigate size mwd + afterburner. Think I hit 4864m/s and can hold that for almost a minute. Might be fun to climb into one to meet such a force just for kicks. 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Lansfear
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Posted - 2003.12.13 06:51:00 -
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It's been so much fun being podded in the frigates sofar, now it gets even better! Can't wait to be podded in a nice new shinny advanced frigate!
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2003.12.13 07:11:00 -
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And to think I sold much of my frig collection and buying another battleship recently---a Scorpion, which is about to get its ECM and speed nerfed.
Sheesh.
But don't worry, the New Age of Frigates will get a major reality dose when they meet up with---
The Age of Nearly Invincible Battleship NPCs.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 13/12/2003 08:04:28
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yeah ok woteva...
6 wasps - check
2 large smartbombs - check
4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check...
bring it on
Agree's
It will take a lot more than this patch to make me dump my battleship collection in favour of 150k frigates
To think that a handful of Rifters flown by people that have mostly engaged in mock fights/against NPC is going to go clubbing battleships like they're baby seals is lunacy.
But I dunno Nirvy. The Rifter is fun as hell with the new frigate size mwd + afterburner. Think I hit 4864m/s and can hold that for almost a minute. Might be fun to climb into one to meet such a force just for kicks.
Bleh, i just got a second battleship, no plans on getting back in a righter anytime soon, i spent over a month in a rifter when i first started anyways 
Im just happy that the Large smartbombs i have been hoarding for 6 months might actually have a use now, especially on people who think frigates are suddenly uber
Im looking forward to the carbear frigate force invading the alliances space
Hopefully with 2 sensor boosters and sig anal 5 i can lock a frigate in 5 secs, which is as fast as i lock one now anyways
Mercenary | The Azath |
Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.12.13 08:05:00 -
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Yes, Frigates and Cruisers can lock a battleship faster than the battleship can lock them back...........You forget that they cant stil "WTF PWN" you just as well when they lock you (or before if they use FoF missiles or drones).
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
Loraine Riesel
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Posted - 2003.12.13 09:08:00 -
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Just one line:
CCP can prepare for a huge drop in players (ie: loose much income in $$ ÇÇ), when implementing the non-empire-BS-mining, JIP feature, change in mwd's and afterburners with the implementation of the patch this Monday! |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 09:40:00 -
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yeah ok woteva...
6 wasps - check
2 large smartbombs - check
4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check...
bring it on
 pwned
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.13 15:55:00 -
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"6 wasps - check"
Max Speed: 450 m/sec. Optimal range: 1000 m. Range faloff: 2000m
('tis bugged atm, i know)
"2 large smartbombs - check"
Effect radius: 5000 m
"4 seige launchers - check
100 fof cruise missles - check..."
Max speed: 1250 m/sec
"bring it on"
Think again. ;s
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2003.12.13 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Golan Trevize on 13/12/2003 16:39:21
Dodge 4 modulated Medium pulselasers.
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships. |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.13 16:43:00 -
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j0s any frig that beats a cruiser missle speed-wise wont be effective in battle
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.13 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jash Illian on 13/12/2003 16:51:51
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j0s any frig that beats a cruiser missle speed-wise wont be effective in battle
Normal cruise, dunno. FoF?
Well, like she said the top speed on those is 1250m/s. Rifter pushes 1.5km/s orbitting at 15km with its speed set to 1/2. Might be possible to hit 2k+ on an orbital path of around 17km-19km, which is past cruise missile top speed.
Now what you're actually going to do while orbiting 1.5km/s @ 15km is entirely debatable. Drone snipe, FoF bait (bbird jamming the bship + frigate playing bait for the FoFs), warp scramble....that's all up to the pilot.
Kill the battleship? Err...not likely.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.13 16:53:00 -
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"j0s any frig that beats a cruiser missle speed-wise wont be effective in battle"
Well, keep in mind just because i can outrun your cruises doesn't mean you can outrun mine... two smartbombs and defenders will give you some protection but drain your cap quickly.
True though, the non-missile frigates will be of little use against ship equipped like you listed. =)
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 16:59:00 -
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I think Jash has some thing for rifters
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.13 17:10:00 -
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Okay, seriously I think people are both overestimating and underestimating the abilities of frigates.
Frigates are dangerous but they're not battleship killers. Not without some extraordinary pilots in the frigates and some insanely inexperienced pilots in the battleships. So the people hoping to lead a wave of frigates into Curse seeking retribution better get ready for some long pod trips back to empire space. But they can share some of the responsibilities normally taken up by other vessels at a much smaller cost, enabling the larger vessels to better protect themselves (and their bigger price tags).
Why give up 5 midslots on a Scorpion for race specific jammers when every frigate you add to the battlefield can return one midslot to the Scorpion for a shield hardener or Eutectic II Capacitors or shield boost amplifiers?
Why give up a midslot on any battleship for a warp scrambler when a Frigate piloted by someone with the right skills can do the same job faster in relative safety? Strangely enough training ECM skills to high level might actually pay off now to allow the frigate's cap to recharge between cycles.
Why worry about drones eating the attack cruisers when a couple of Kestrels or Breachers can eliminate all the drones a battleship can dump before they get near the cruisers?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 17:14:00 -
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I can see frigates mostly being used as quick log and warp scramble and webify ships until BS¦s and cruisers can get a lock.
I think we most likely see griffins and kestrels in the battlefield.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.13 17:15:00 -
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I think Jash has some thing for rifters
They're the most dangerous frigate Minmatar have, imo. Both to others and the pilot, since I usually don't have a shield booster equipped. Just don't try showing a newbie how to npc hunt with one.
Tried with one flying a Merlin and it's a little difficult to explain that they can't fly straight through the spawn and expect to survive 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 17:20:00 -
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I think Jash has some thing for rifters
They're the most dangerous frigate Minmatar have, imo. Both to others and the pilot, since I usually don't have a shield booster equipped. Just don't try showing a newbie how to npc hunt with one.
Tried with one flying a Merlin and it's a little difficult to explain that they can't fly straight through the spawn and expect to survive
wow you don¦t have a shield booster active in battle. That¦s so wacky it might work  .
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2003.12.13 17:22:00 -
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yeah frigs can only really counter the drnes with a burst,
the smartbomb will really tear them a new one unless they manage to keep range and have enough mids to fit a ab
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.13 18:48:00 -
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I think Jash has some thing for rifters
They're the most dangerous frigate Minmatar have, imo. Both to others and the pilot, since I usually don't have a shield booster equipped. Just don't try showing a newbie how to npc hunt with one.
Tried with one flying a Merlin and it's a little difficult to explain that they can't fly straight through the spawn and expect to survive
wow you don¦t have a shield booster active in battle. That¦s so wacky it might work .
What's the point of having one? Rifter can take 1 cruise missile, maybe 2 depending on how skilled the person that fired it, before going pop regardless of shields. Prior to the targetting changes, a bship could 1 shot you regardless of shields.
Post targetting changes if you're still someplace where the bship can hit you to 1 shot you, you did something wrong already. Only the short range bship weaps have a prayer (and a rather attentive diety in a good mood) of hitting a frigate at the speeds/range a frigate can fight at. Same with cruisers (though I dunno how well a HMB does against a fast moving target at 15km). So the shield booster is rather superfluous.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2003.12.13 19:27:00 -
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What's the point of having one? Rifter can take 1 cruise missile, maybe 2 depending on how skilled the person that fired it, before going pop regardless of shields. Prior to the targetting changes, a bship could 1 shot you regardless of shields.
Post targetting changes if you're still someplace where the bship can hit you to 1 shot you, you did something wrong already. Only the short range bship weaps have a prayer (and a rather attentive diety in a good mood) of hitting a frigate at the speeds/range a frigate can fight at. Same with cruisers (though I dunno how well a HMB does against a fast moving target at 15km). So the shield booster is rather superfluous.
Well that is an excellent point. When attacking a BS in a frigate I guess there is little point in having a shield booster. I actually think this way when I'm doing agent missions, I never put shield booster on because if I get JIP camped I know I'm dead anyway.
These changes however are to encourage mixed fleet combat so hopefully we will see othere frigates supporting the BS so I guess then the sheild booster would be of some use.
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Jolo
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Posted - 2003.12.13 19:53:00 -
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this is all fine and dandy, but i havn't seen a player base big enough for this sort of thing. I mean, every time we go to war, the other corp of 50 is AFK and logged off. We can almost never get more than 3-4 people on at once. We aren't going to put 2 people in frig's and 2 in bs's and go to war. Adding frigates as a useful tool is cool, but only if more people activly play.
I know there are exceptions to the rule such as alliances playing against each other. But those battles are never shceduled, I always miss them and half the alliances arn't even taking in new corps. so it's moot.
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Drutort
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Posted - 2003.12.13 21:06:00 -
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Edited by: Drutort on 13/12/2003 21:08:17
you know that crapy ammo that boosts range? well you could use that + blasters either L or M or use maybe some M lasers... that have fast tracking...
I know that if i boost tracking even on my 425mm's that i can even lock onto missiles i tried this on chaos... i had about 2 boosters to increase my lock and 3 or so to boost my tracking....
i was blowing up missiles which i was able to lock onto in 5 sec... and that was AM L
if you wish you could put ****ty ammo because it doesnt take much to blow up a frig and use some close range good tracking guns... maybe put 1 or 3 boosters tracking/lock on and your set
of course that is if you got that many mid slots like my scorp
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