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Vito Tattaglia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:17:00 -
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So I just bought and outfitted my very first Retriever Mining Barge, and just by mining in high-sec, I made about 4 million in 3 hours, which is about 13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit. When would I be able to move into a location that would allow for better profits. (Moderately safely.) As of now, I'm not part of any corp, and don't really have anybody to back me up. |
Fallenlassen
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:23:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:So I just bought and outfitted my very first Retriever Mining Barge, and just by mining in high-sec, I made about 4 million in 3 hours, which is about 13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit. When would I be able to move into a location that would allow for better profits. (Moderately safely.) As of now, I'm not part of any corp, and don't really have anybody to back me up.
Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield. |
Random Austrene
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:23:00 -
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Never, mining is low-sec is like being an 6 year old next to Camp Pedo. Sure it sounds like a good idea but sooner or later someone is going to end up dead. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:29:00 -
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if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
The Needs Of The Few Many
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:30:00 -
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The simple answer is usually the correct one, so I am also going with NEVER.
That said, join a small simple mining corp that can offer you some company, some Orca bonuses, and a replacement ship for WHEN you get ganked.
Like mine.
^^ See what I did there? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:39:00 -
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When you're comfortable risking the value of your ship for the profits you would earn. Feel free to roam around lowsec in a shuttle or cheap frigate with a cloak, get a feel for the regions and how active they are, and see who likes to stick around. |
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:41:00 -
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Fallenlassen wrote:Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield.
So they'll take it and then blow him up themselves. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.17 04:50:00 -
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Not a good idea to mine in less than a .5 solo. You can find nice quiet lowsec systems to mine in without seeing another soul for hours, but getting the mins in and out will be a time-consuming dangerous hassle. |
Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.17 05:23:00 -
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If you want to mine in Lowsec, find a nice quiet system with little traffic or camps, scan down a grav site, and mine there. It's somewhat safer than sitting in a belt, where one can just fly up with a stealthbomber and send torpedoes up your exhaust.
Also, if you just got your first retriever, don't. As soon as you cross into lowsec, assume you're never getting that ship back. It's a good rule to live with. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.17 05:29:00 -
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Join an alliance with a big 0.0 sov and mine in the middle of it, keep eye on local and warp out when a neut enters |
Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
The Needs Of The Few Many
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Posted - 2011.12.17 05:40:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Join an alliance with a big 0.0 sov and mine in the middle of it, keep eye on local and warp out when a neut enters
Man I remember when that was exciting.
Also note you can't tank the rats solo in a Retriever, you'll have to run home to mamma whenever they spawn. |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit
Tribal Unity Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.17 05:47:00 -
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NEVER, NEVER, Never, ever, ever, ever, ever... Fly a ship you can not afford to lose... Especially as a miner. 1st rule in EvE... period.
... did I say never? |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.17 05:56:00 -
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Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).
Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.
That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product. |
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:07:00 -
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Drachiel wrote:Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).
Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.
That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product.
Indeed. They should just add a new mineral that can only be gotten from lowsec (and possibly null too). ONLY by mining, not reprocessing loot and drone poo.
Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |
Castor II
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:12:00 -
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Jask Avan wrote:Fallenlassen wrote:Hire mercenaries to defend your mining barge. In return offer them 10% of your plenteous yield. So they'll take it and then blow him up themselves.
Wow, I see nothing gets past you  |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:40:00 -
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Never mine in lolsex.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:41:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:[...]13.7 ISK per unit of Massive Scordite. I've heard that even in low-sec, some minerals can go into 1'000 ISK per unit.
Mining yield is fixed in volume (cubic meters) and variable in ore unit count.
Veldspar for instance is 0.1 cubic meters per unit, while Crokite is 16 cubic meters per unit.
If you have a mining laser with a yield of 1,600 cubic meters per cycle, you get 100 units of Crokite per cycle, but 16,000 units of Veldspar per cycle.
So what matters the most is ISK income per cubic meter, not value of a unit of ore.
http://www.bsacse.amxg4.com/tools/index.php?id=oreincome
There you can see the relatively current and sufficiently accurate estimates of the value of a cubic meter of ore of each type.
Sometimes it does not work right and you have to come back later.
Some of the ore values PER CUBIC METER as of a relatively short while ago for
highsec ores : Veldspar, Scordite - roughly 100 ISK/m^3 ;
most valuable highsec ore : Pyroxeres - roughly 135 ISK/m^3 ;
typical lowsec ores : Hedbergite, Hemorphite - roughly 160 ISK/m^3 ;
most valuable 0.0 "regular" ore : Arkonor - roughly 350 ISK/m^3.
As you can see, the most valuable 0.0 ore is not even 3 times more profitable than the best highsec ore.
Some 0.0-only ores (like Spodumain) give a worse income than some highsec ores, and most lowsec ores are barely slightly more valuable than highsec ores.
P.S. So, basically, unless you can mine in deep, safe, alliance-controlled 0.0 space or alternatively, in a reasonably well-maintained W-space op... don't bother moving out of highsec.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Drachiel
Mercury LLC
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:45:00 -
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Riley Moore wrote:Drachiel wrote:Never. Low sec mineral gains aren't enough to offset the risk (I WILL kill you if I see you in low).
Stick to high sec and hope I'm not bored enough to jump in from the adjacent lowsec and warp onto you with a few friends in Thrashers.
That or go to NPC nullsec and figure out a way to sell your product. Indeed. They should just add a new mineral that can only be gotten from lowsec (and possibly null too). ONLY by mining, not reprocessing loot and drone poo.
Or move an existing one. Like Zydrine. :Trollface:
Or maybe completely get rid of all highsec morphite. |
Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.12.17 06:53:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection.
untrue, the best way to mine in lowsec is with a large group of people you trust, yes you can find them in eve.
get into system, strip the place bare as fast as you can, then leave. it works well if you have the balls and the man power to do it. 20 ships should be able to clear out a system before you are noticed. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.12.17 07:14:00 -
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Hecatonis wrote:Doc Fury wrote:if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection. untrue, the best way to mine in lowsec is with a large group of people you trust, yes you can find them in eve. get into system, strip the place bare as fast as you can, then leave. it works well if you have the balls and the man power to do it. 20 ships should be able to clear out a system before you are noticed.
Other then the rush, there is very little reason to do so. The risks far exceed the profit difference from mining in HS. If your able to get 20 miners together at a time you might as well look for a null alliance or rent a system. Its far more profitably and oddly enough safer.
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ObieWan Kenobieie
Machtpolitik
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.17 07:16:00 -
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I tried mining once too, years ago.
Skip lowsec and join a good 0.0 mining corp.
You don't have to worry about rats, cause they provide a dedicated mining tank.
They will haul the ore and buy it from you. If you are lucky they will afk bonus you in a perma fleet from a rorqual or whatever.
Anyways back in the day.....i only mined arknor, bistot and crockite... I think i pulled something like 40Mill an hour with 2 hulks. Never lost a hulk in 0.0 ever.
Its going to sound like troll advice but don't use the intel channels cause it gives you a false sense of security when the intel channel is quiet and in comes a red vagabond in local and there are 100 blues afk docked in the next system he just came from. |
Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.12.17 07:32:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Hecatonis wrote:Doc Fury wrote:if you are going to ninja-mine in low-sec, you are going to want something a lot smaller and more agile than a mining barge unless you have protection. untrue, the best way to mine in lowsec is with a large group of people you trust, yes you can find them in eve. get into system, strip the place bare as fast as you can, then leave. it works well if you have the balls and the man power to do it. 20 ships should be able to clear out a system before you are noticed. Other then the rush, there is very little reason to do so. The risks far exceed the profit difference from mining in HS. If your able to get 20 miners together at a time you might as well look for a null alliance or rent a system. Its far more profitably and oddly enough safer.
that only works if you want to get into nul sec politics, and that is something i really dont want to do |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.12.17 07:38:00 -
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Hecatonis wrote:that only works if you want to get into nul sec politics, and that is something i really dont want to do
With renting you usually don't need to deal with politics. Just pay your rent on time and you really shouldn't have to deal with anything. However I can understand that reasoning. Since 0.0 politics while interesting at times, can also make you want to ram your head into a brick wall.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.17 10:08:00 -
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Mining ore is a sucker's game unless you have max skills on multiple accounts. If ISK-making and mineral acquisition is your goal you will do far better by running missions and reprocessing low meta loot for minerals than just mining in a hulk - let alone a retriever. Reprocessing gives you access to nocxium, zydrine, megacyte and even morphite (from drone loot) - something you can only get at extreme risk to your mining ship in low/null sec. The quantities are more than adequate as well, and any shortfall can simply be bought with the ISK you make from mission rewards/bounties.
Level 4 missions should be your mining goal if you are a solo miner. Of course if you have multiple accounts like me, that changes, and ore once again becomes profitable.
EDIT: The above obviously implies that you can salvage/collect the loot from your missions. |
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