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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 07:44:00 -
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Edited by: J Frost on 12/02/2007 07:45:09
I've been ratting in 0.0 with my friends these days, and found missiles are really good at ratting. A friend of mine has about the same amount of SP as I have, or maybe less, but he kills faster than I do.
To get to know what was the factor, I tried to calculate the damages made by each of us, and found the difference is not that much as I thought.
Raven + Torps:
6 Arbalest Launchers x Jug Torp Damage 450 ken x 1.2 Torp VI x 1.08 Warhead VI = 3499.2 / (19.2 Fire Rate x 0.8 BS VI x 0.75 Missle Launcher V x 0.88 Rapid Launcher VI) = 345.17/s
Dominix + Drones:
5 Wasp I x 24 ken basic damage x 1.45 Damage Modifier x 1.4 BS VI x 2 Drone Interface V x 1.2 Heavy Drone Operation VI = 584.64 / 2 Fire Rate = 292.32/s
Even with T2 Heavies which I can't use now, the calculation still doesn't give me a good result.
5 Wasp II x 24 ken basic damage x 1.74 Damage Modifier x 1.4 BS VI x 2 Drone Interface V x 1.25 Heavy Drone Operation V x 1.08 Caldari Drone Spec VI = 789.26 / 2 Fire Rate = 394.63/s
He has 5 T1 medium drones and I have 4 T1 Large Rail Dual, I thought we don't have much difference on those 'extra' things, do we?
What am I missing in the calculation? And how can I improve?
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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:00:00 -
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PS: Here is my Skill stat char Linkage
This truely is not a whining post, but trying to find how to improve. Any suggestions? Do I have to go after guns? Or maybe I should find another ship other than Dominix? 
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Soporo
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Posted - 2007.02.12 08:39:00 -
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The ships and mod/fittings forum peeps love Q's like that and are usually anxious to show off their math.
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Kenneys
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:13:00 -
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When you say he "kills faster". Does that include your drones going from one target to another?
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Di Jiensai
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.12 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Di Jiensai on 12/02/2007 11:52:21
you should try to add targets speed and signature in the damage calculation of your torps. i guess some of the npcs get less damage than they deserve, by moving, and maybe haveing a lower sig than needed to get max damage.
Drones wont get a big reduction through these figures.
(edit) Try adding 2 target painters, and see if it changes.
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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.12 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: J Frost on 12/02/2007 15:22:39
Edited by: J Frost on 12/02/2007 15:13:27
 Originally by: Soporo
The ships and mod/fittings forum peeps love Q's like that and are usually anxious to show off their math.
A usefull forum for technical questions...
Ah, you are right. I didn't know where to post this topic to, so made it in general discussion.
OK, may I ask a mod to move this post please? thx =]
Originally by: Kenneys
When you say he "kills faster". Does that include your drones going from one target to another?
Actually, no. I didn't calculate the moving of drones from one target to another, neither did I mention how slow missiles fly comparing to guns' instant-hit-result factor. Let's say, if I did, doesn't that make drones even worse? Maybe a drone navigation device would make it better? 
Originally by: Di Jiensai
Edited by: Di Jiensai on 12/02/2007 11:52:21
you should try to add targets speed and signature in the damage calculation of your torps. i guess some of the npcs get less damage than they deserve, by moving, and maybe haveing a lower sig than needed to get max damage.
Drones wont get a big reduction through these figures.
(edit) Try adding 2 target painters, and see if it changes.
Well, I didn't take that in calculation, because that's hard to know. Target painters would help drones to target? Never knew that. Maybe I should try that later. 
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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:27:00 -
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Can I have a mod moves this thread to where it should be? I really want some advice. thx.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:31:00 -
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Drones sometimes miss....
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:35:00 -
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Firstly, are you taking into account the miss rate of your drone's guns and the damage reduction of missiles (torps particularly) when used against smaller targets? The latter is particularly noteworthy- torps have much reduced damage against cruisers and frigates, while medium drones have very good accuracy.
Secondly, Drones tend to have good raw DPS due to the fact that they take a long time to get into position, take a long time to switch targets, and can be destroyed in combat (while missiles do take a while to hit, they always DO hit, and can switch targets instantly, and can't be destroyed).
Thirdly, SP isn't always straight forward. It may be the case that you both have 5 million SP (say) but his are simply better invested at this moment in time. Its no biggy, every SP in every skill is useful, it just might mean he's got an initial advantage.
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:38:00 -
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And you wonder why the Raven is the king of mission running and belt ratting ?
Wonder no further. It's just THAT much better, even with much less SP.
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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: J Frost on 13/02/2007 01:35:54
well, one thing I'm not sure is, how does this calculation go with 2 skill boosts.
For instance, BS VI gives 0.4 boost, and Drone Interface V gives 1.0 boost, is it like:
Basic Damage x 1.4 x 2.0 ?
or
Basic Damage x (1+0.4+1.0) ?
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J Frost
Gallente
Tides of Silence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.13 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And you wonder why the Raven is the king of mission running and belt ratting ?
Wonder no further. It's just THAT much better, even with much less SP.
Yes, I've heard ppl calling it 'The Money Printer', but wondered why. Now I know how good it is while ratting, but trying to find out why.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.02.13 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: J Frost
Basic Damage x 1.4 x 2.0 ?
This one.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.02.13 04:25:00 -
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PVP drones + turrets + NOS
PVE = missiles and to a lesser extent autocannons and drones
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