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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 12/02/2007 16:36:16 Edited by: Ja''kar on 12/02/2007 16:35:37 I cannot say how disappointed I was in CCP and eve that this went on.
That it took sooo long for them to respond and it seems only because of a player exposing them
that they cannot fix problems - the standard solution is to ignore it until it become such a problem it has to be fixed and then just do a blanket fix (warp 0 for example)
But to the point how many BOB players were banned (am guessing 0).
WhatÆs the story with the banned player - why is he banned is he gonna be allowed back in eve?
This has left a very bad taste in my mouth and some people who I have talked to. This is just such a very big deal I cannot believe there is such a poor player response.
How can we believe in anything that CCP says, I mean are the BPO's that come from agents 'fixed or manipulated' to help BOB
To be honest I read all the crap about BOB getting help from CCP employees and CCP staff and though 'as if' now I am thinking what else has gone on?
It is a bad day for CCP and for eve as a whole!
Will we ever get any response for other then that pathetic apology and while I am here fix the petition system it takes for too long.
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Kehmor
Caldari PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:47:00 -
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why should bob players be banned?
If a dev cam to you and said "hey have free t2 stuff" would you turn it down? I sure as hell wouldn't. As far as BoB members were concerned (if they indeed knew anything about it) their actions were being authorised by the highest authority, (a dev).
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 12/02/2007 16:51:10 Edited by: Ja''kar on 12/02/2007 16:50:36 Edited by: Ja''kar on 12/02/2007 16:50:22 Kehmor I know ur scammer and good luck to ya for it. But you really saying that CCP should give out stuff to players and thatÆs ok.
Another point is that a player who knows itÆs against the rules to use an out of game hax or other, should face some action, same as people who sell the accounts and get banned etc
they knew the dev was not playing by the rules and because of the lack of information we don't know what went on, do we
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.02.12 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Humpalot on 12/02/2007 16:56:46
Originally by: Ja'kar But to the point how many BOB players were banned (am guessing 0).
Near as I can tell zero were. 99.9% of BoB likely had no clue of any of it till we all learned of it. IF (note big IF) a few other players knew of it I am guessing there was no way to prove they did. The official word is T20 acted on his own.
Quote: WhatÆs the story with the banned player - why is he banned is he gonna be allowed back in eve?
This was posted by Kieron (EVE Community Manager): "We did not take action against anyone for 'exposing dev corruption' or bringing this to light. Due to our policy of not disclosing actions taken against a player with a third party, I cannot go into specifics. However, I can say that there were EULA and Terms of Service violations sufficient to justify our response."
Quote: This has left a very bad taste in my mouth and some people who I have talked to. This is just such a very big deal I cannot believe there is such a poor player response.
What player response were you expecting? There is a thread with over 100 pages of responses on it and some 175,000+ views of that thread. I'd say the player response was quite vocal.
Quote: How can we believe in anything that CCP says, I mean are the BPO's that come from agents 'fixed or manipulated' to help BOB
Well I suppose it is up to you whether to don a tinfoil hat or just get on with playing. For my part I believe the Devs deeply care about EVE. That they ever came forward at all, even if late, says something. I truly think if this happened at Blizzard you'd never hear a thing about it. The Devs had said they have put in a new and more stringent policing system to oversee theie employees who play the game and have laid in stone that someone caught cheating in this manner again is grounds for immediate termination of employment.
Not sure what else you reasonably want from them.
Quote: To be honest I read all the crap about BOB getting help from CCP employees and CCP staff and though 'as if' now I am thinking what else has gone on?
You could play this all day and work yourself up over what might have happened. Have fun. Me I'm just gonna keep playing and enjoy myself.
Quote: Will we ever get any response for other then that pathetic apology and while I am here fix the petition system it takes for too long.
As mentioned I think they gave more response than most. Be glad CCP is more forthcoming than most companies wiht its playerbase. For their efforts they get mobbed. I only hope they continue to respect the player community and do their best to keep EVE fun and fair. There may be slipups, some employee may cheat in the future but these things can happen anywhere and does not make CCP corrupt. I genuinely believe they have the overall game's best interests at heart and as an organisation they can be trusted.
EDIT: I am NOT a member of BOB, never have been nor are any of my characters/ALTs. I know a few members of BOB but then a know a few members of many Alliances. In short I have no dog in this race. Just my opinions.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
I cannot say how disappointed I was in CCP and eve that this went on.
That it took sooo long for them to respond and it seems only because of a player exposing them
Please do us all a favour and read the main Dev thread about this incident in the information portal part of the forum and put your replies in there..there are enough threads about this as it is.
Originally by: Ja'kar
that they cannot fix problems - the standard solution is to ignore it until it become such a problem it has to be fixed and then just do a blanket fix (warp 0 for example)
What do you mean "cannot fix problems" Thats just naive and stupid. Fixing software takes time..it's not something that happens over the course of a few hours, or a few days. You're making an assumption based on no actual real knowledge.
Originally by: Ja'kar
But to the point how many BOB players were banned (am guessing 0).
Thats right, 0...why should any BoB players be banned at all? They didn't do anything wrong.
Originally by: Ja'kar
What’s the story with the banned player - why is he banned is he gonna be allowed back in eve?
Read the Dev thread in the information portal part of the forum.
Originally by: Ja'kar
This has left a very bad taste in my mouth and some people who I have talked to. This is just such a very big deal I cannot believe there is such a poor player response.
How can we believe in anything that CCP says, I mean are the BPO's that come from agents 'fixed or manipulated' to help BOB
Making up a lot of conspiracies won't solve this problem, much less will pointing fingers everywhere. No one likes cheating, but you can't just make up more stuff as you go along, cause that won't get you anywhere.
Originally by: Ja'kar
To be honest I read all the crap about BOB getting help from CCP employees and CCP staff and though 'as if' now I am thinking what else has gone on?
Obviously you haven't read it all. CCP has said, that to their knowledge..nothing else is going on. Now either you believe that, or you waste your time asking "What are you hiding CCP??" till the end of time, because you want them to be guilty..you want them to break out their big conspiracy secrets and all the things they have "REALLY" been doing all this time...cause you know...shadow governments exist even in CCP *tinfoil hat ON!*
Originally by: Ja'kar
It is a bad day for CCP and for eve as a whole!
This sort of thing is never a good thing...you judge for yourself though.
Originally by: Ja'kar
Will we ever get any response for other then that pathetic apology and while I am here fix the petition system it takes for too long.
Definitive proof that you most certainly didn't read the entire thing..because they DID respond. As for your random "fix the petition system" there's nothing wrong with it. The times I petitioned, it worked just fine...I know, lame thing to say..but so is "fix the petition system"..theres nothing in that sentence that provides anything useful.
If you want them to change something, provide logs, or constructive documentation..saying "fix it" won't do anything.
Best regards
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:04:00 -
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The BPOs have been returned. t20, the dev in question, is either fired or severely reprimanded (and I bet he won't be in game if he's still a dev).
Yes, it could be argued that more could be done (like zapping out the billions of isk made from the Sabre BPO).
But they've promised to do more frequent and thorough audits of dev activity in game - which gives me a warm fuzzy.
I'm sure that some will continue to complain - but I believe that a fair job has been done to respond to this problem - and a fair plan to try and prevent such an occurrence in the future.
As for me, I'm still playing - I find that at least the issue could be raised, and that CCP addressed it.
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Xendie
Away Humping Keyboard
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li The BPOs have been returned.
only 6 of the 10 have been "returned"
Originally by: Dianabolic I've never cheated, I've never witnessed those I fly with, cheat and I guarentee you that if I DID witness such a thing I |
Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li The BPOs have been returned. t20, the dev in question, is either fired or severely reprimanded (and I bet he won't be in game if he's still a dev).
T20 was not fired but CCP has said in the future such an incident will result in termination of the person's employment. Period.
As for T20 being in game still I am not sure. I seem to recall something from one of the Devs that ALL of T20's characters were deleted but I can't be arsed to look it up. That was my impression though. Whether he can return with a new character I have no idea.
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:27:00 -
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Why is it that I get the impression that unless every BoB player who ever got any isk from t20's foolishness is zapped from the game, and t20 is fired, and everyone is handed a fresh t2 BPO, a lot of whiners won't be happy, and will claim that this is all a whitewash?
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merc999
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: merc999 on 12/02/2007 17:38:01 None got banned and only those complaining about the corruption are censored and banned, those guilty of the corruption and been given carte blanche by CCP to continue.
Us/we the ordinary players/subscribers are the ones being screwed
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: merc999 Edited by: merc999 on 12/02/2007 17:38:01 None got banned and only those complaining about the corruption are censored and banned, those guilty of the corruption and been given carte blanche by CCP to continue.
Us/we the ordinary players/subscribers are the ones being screwed
Since CCP can't comment on actions taken against players, etc., how do you know none got banned?
Hmmm?
And what, exactly, in terms of action taken, would make you happy? Give you a Sabre BPO?
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Dust Angel
Harvest System Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:44:00 -
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T20 wasent banned. he lost his character, only to have it replaced with a simialr one.
mirel yirrin > "DU HAST VERBROKEN DAS FORUMERN RULEN! DU SWINE!" |
Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dust Angel T20 wasent banned. he lost his character, only to have it replaced with a simialr one.
He's lucky he wasn't fired. Apparently, that will be the policy in the future - fired, no questions asked.
If you ask me, that's a good step, and in combination with the more frequent audits, will make any dev think twice before cheating.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.12 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 12/02/2007 17:53:12 For the love of god not another thread there is like a new one every hour in COAD why are ones now needed here?
I'm sure if you spent 15mins you would find the answers to all your questions in COAD.
As its getting tiresome to open a forum and just see threads with BOB in the name
Also what's Kehmor apparently being a "scammer" got to do with his answer?
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ahnik
Amarr TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Traxio Nacho
Also what's Kehmor apparently being a "scammer" got to do with his answer?
That's actually a more on topic remark than the whole thread ;)
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.12 18:42:00 -
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Thread locked, This is not the place and the time to discuss this matter. *click* . please email [email protected] with any questions. Pirlouit
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