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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.13 14:51:00 -
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I submit to you another prime example of the Slave Education Program of The House of Marek and how it is creating a better slave: better training, more loyal, more devout.
A recent addition to my list of personal slaves, Ripken Scarlett is becoming a valuable asset to the House of Marek and myself. He is one of many slaves that have gone through our program that are showing great progress over traditional methods of slavery.
We invite all those Minmatar that have wondered what their calling is to come and be welcomed with open arms into the Ammatar Mandate. Step into the light, brothers and sisters, and you shall be awakened.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.13 15:59:00 -
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Hmmm.......diversifying i see......do you still have you're policy of murdering any Gallante delivered into you custody? or are you actually practicing what you preach?
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Agustus Caesar
Hmmm.......diversifying i see......do you still have you're policy of murdering any Gallante delivered into you custody? or are you actually practicing what you preach?
We do not accept Gallente deliveries at this time, as they cause training times to be longer for all and the education staff to be increased.
In the past we would have disposed of them on the spot. As of late we still do not allow them into the S.E.P., although (unless they cause trouble, which then they would be dealt with quickly) we usually ship them off to a slave training facility that specifically deals with Gallente, but these are not under the Supervision of the S.E.P. and we have not yet taken any initiative in supporting Gallente Slaves within our Program.
Needless to say I have seen a few Gallente flying through space in service to the Empire, so possibly the future may hold openings within the S.E.P. for training of Gallente, but this is not up for discussion currently and may not be up for discussion for quite some time. We have kin that are lost and salvation for them is our current priority.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:53:00 -
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It seems you have managed to convert a know enemy of the State into a productive and loyal citizen. I congratulate you on that. I would like to contact you with either a) shipping know enemies of the State to be resocialized or b) acquire knowledge of your methods so that enemies of the states may be resocialized and put to use serving the State.
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.13 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Cetes
It seems you have managed to convert a know enemy of the State into a productive and loyal citizen. I congratulate you on that. I would like to contact you with either a) shipping know enemies of the State to be resocialized or b) acquire knowledge of your methods so that enemies of the states may be resocialized and put to use serving the State.
You may contact me or Ogoel Marek through Eve-Mail or on our official forums at www.houseofmarek.org
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.13 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 13/02/2007 19:51:03
Originally by: Ostos Marek
In the past we would have disposed of them on the spot.
So you did dispose of human beings as if they were rodents? The Amarrians must be very proud of you, you have mastered the ability to blatantly contradict yourself and keep a straight face. Speaking of compassion and the loving embrace of god while chucking defensless slaves out the air lock based only on the nation they were born in. Well it's good to know you now just pass them off like an unwanted birthday gift; by Ammatar/Amarr standards that is an epic leap in the ethical treatment of slaves. Lets just hope enough Gallante hear of your cruel indifference to their suffering that they don't sign themselves over to your bretheren at the SPCS; I doubt the Amarrians would treat them any better than you would.
-Caesar
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ostos Marek on 13/02/2007 20:14:07
Originally by: Agustus Caesar
Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 13/02/2007 19:51:03
Originally by: Ostos Marek
In the past we would have disposed of them on the spot.
So you did dispose of human beings as if they were rodents? The Amarrians must be very proud of you, you have mastered the ability to blatantly contradict yourself and keep a straight face. Speaking of compassion and the loving embrace of god while chucking defensless slaves out the air lock based only on the nation they were born in. Well it's good to know you now just pass them off like an unwanted birthday gift; by Ammatar/Amarr standards that is an epic leap in the ethical treatment of slaves. Lets just hope enough Gallante hear of your cruel indifference to their suffering that they don't sign themselves over to your bretheren at the SPCS; I doubt the Amarrians would treat them any better than you would.
-Caesar
When did I ever say that I have never killed a slave? How does that contradict anything that I have ever said. I talk on bringing others to enlightenment, and have said that we do put down slaves that fail to ever reach a point of obedience. Nothing I said has implied otherwise.
We bring education, faith, and purpose to lives. Those lives that fail to recognize that or fight against it will be sent to God and He will deal with them. It is HIS will.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Agustus Caesar
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ostos Marek
When did I ever say that I have never killed a slave? How does that contradict anything that I have ever said. I talk on bringing others to enlightenment, and have said that we do put down slaves that fail to ever reach a point of obedience. Nothing I said has implied otherwise.
We bring education, faith, and purpose to lives. Those lives that fail to recognize that or fight against it will be sent to God and He will deal with them.
If by disposed of you didn't mean kill, I strongly suggest you rephrase your statement. In the minds of most of gal-net users, disposed of often means killed. If you did take the life of a slave, then that would most certianly contradict your message of closeness to god and being kind to your fellow man (assuming I haven't misinterpreted your message); as cold blooded murder based on national origins is about as vile as it gets, a close second behind genocide of course. As for your last sentance, unless you have god sitting on a throne living at the SEP facility then the only way to meet God is to die; thus sending someone to meet God is murder no matter your intentions.
-Caesar
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.13 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ostos Marek on 13/02/2007 20:27:35
Originally by: Agustus Caesar
If by disposed of you didn't mean kill, I strongly suggest you rephrase your statement. In the minds of most of gal-net users, disposed of often means killed. If you did take the life of a slave, then that would most certianly contradict your message of closeness to god and being kind to your fellow man (assuming I haven't misinterpreted your message); as cold blooded murder based on national origins is about as vile as it gets, a close second behind genocide of course. As for your last sentance, unless you have god sitting on a throne living at the SEP facility then the only way to meet God is to die; thus sending someone to meet God is murder no matter your intentions.
The holy scriptures allow for the death of those who refuse his holy light. When I said dispose I meant kill. As for taking the life of a slave and the closeness to God, they do not contradict. At least when the reason is evident. Taking the live of a slave, for violent actions such as attacking a master are punishable by death. A perfectly legal act within the Empire.
I do not condone the slaying of a slave for anything less then that. There are other ways to discipline and teach than through fear and pain, as is the way of the S.E.P. Physical punishment is only a last resort.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.02.15 02:20:00 -
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You talk about slaves as though they had "rights". Slavery by its nature strips all rights from an individual and makes him/her completely reliant on their master for sustenance and survival. Since slaves were not able to survive or thrive on their own, they are weak. Since they are weak, any fate other than summary execution is a luxury for them. Only the most obedient and trustworthy POTENTIAL slaves should be spared. The rest should be instantly killed.
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.02.15 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Cetes
You talk about slaves as though they had "rights". Slavery by its nature strips all rights from an individual and makes him/her completely reliant on their master for sustenance and survival. Since slaves were not able to survive or thrive on their own, they are weak. Since they are weak, any fate other than summary execution is a luxury for them. Only the most obedient and trustworthy POTENTIAL slaves should be spared. The rest should be instantly killed.
See there is where you an I differ. You feel that slavery is a means of culling the weak from the strong, the unprofitable from the profitable. I view slaves as lost brethren that need teaching and set on a course of study, service, and sacrafice.
It is people like you that give slavery within the Empire a bad name (or even outside the empire).
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.02.17 06:34:00 -
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You are correct, I do believe in Social Darwinism, that the weak will utimately die and the strong survive. However I do not keep slaves as my deep space home does not suit the environment necessary for slave keeping. I have scarce space as it is for ships and ammunition, much less the liabilty of slaves.
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Cetes
You are correct, I do believe in Social Darwinism, that the weak will utimately die and the strong survive. However I do not keep slaves as my deep space home does not suit the environment necessary for slave keeping. I have scarce space as it is for ships and ammunition, much less the liabilty of slaves.
Physically, usually the strong survive and the weak die. Except in war-time when the strong die to protect the weak, which ends in poorer gene material left over for reproduction (which has been mostly corrected with the latest genetic manipulations).
As for darwinism and the spirit: everyone's spirit survives, weak or strong. Even those of weak spirit can have faith and perform service in His name. Darwinism only somewhat applies to the physical world, and does not apply to the afterlife.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:01:00 -
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Oh Boy, you are indeed a disgrace to your ancestors - at least to the ones before the traitors ...
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Agustus Caesar
Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 13/02/2007 19:51:03
Originally by: Ostos Marek
In the past we would have disposed of them on the spot.
So you did dispose of human beings as if they were rodents? The Amarrians must be very proud of you, you have mastered the ability to blatantly contradict yourself and keep a straight face.
What do you expect from Ammatar? They sold their brothers out to the highest bidder long ago, and the only real surprise to me is that they haven't betrayed the Amarr in turn.
I guess no one has offered them the right price yet.
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Bitchin Angel
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Posted - 2007.03.08 01:39:00 -
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The TRAITOR has been dealt with:
2007.03.07 19:52
Victim: Ripken Scarlett
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Delictum 23216
Destroyed: Caracal
System: Mista
Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: *****in Angel (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.2
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Minmatar Freedom Assault Force
Ship: Rifter
Weapon: 150mm Light AutoCannon I
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Ostos Marek
House of Marek
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: *****in Angel
The TRAITOR has been dealt with:
2007.03.07 19:52
Victim: Ripken Scarlett
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Delictum 23216
Destroyed: Caracal
System: Mista
Security: 0.5
Involved parties:
Name: *****in Angel (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.2
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Minmatar Freedom Assault Force
Ship: Rifter
Weapon: 150mm Light AutoCannon I
congratulations, you've killed my slave, but also someone new to the cause and probobly less experienced than yourself. *pats you on the back*
I'm sure it was a victory you could gloat over for ages, did you happen to use a gank squad to catch him alone?
Don't worry *****en Angel, your time will come.
Believe in God or suffer Oblivion. This is your FINAL choice. The only choice that matters. |
Ripken Scarlett
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.04.07 05:14:00 -
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I've learned a lot since then, Angel. Boiled quite a few of your kin's pods in that time. If you'd care to come out of hiding I'd be happy to show you.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2007.04.07 17:23:00 -
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This is troubling, for a number of minor, but cumulative, reasons.
It's troubling, for one, that you've chosen to "alter" this Gurista, rather than extradite him to face Caldari justice. It's troubling, also, that you've provided no information on his prior crimes for us to compare to his present obedient piety, giving us cause to question whether, in fact, he had done anything at all. Finally, it's troubling that you would parade the portrait of a Civire-- a member of an allied bloodline-- before the entire cluster as an example of your services. Certainly we're aware that you engage in such activities, but it seems telling that you actually feel comfortable sticking this in our collective face.
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Victor Marek
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth
This is troubling, for a number of minor, but cumulative, reasons.
It's troubling, for one, that you've chosen to "alter" this Gurista, rather than extradite him to face Caldari justice.
Caldari justice stands far below the betterment of ones soul and serivce to God.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
It's troubling, also, that you've provided no information on his prior crimes for us to compare to his present obedient piety, giving us cause to question whether, in fact, he had done anything at all.
Ask him yourself, he will tell you his past transgressions.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Finally, it's troubling that you would parade the portrait of a Civire-- a member of an allied bloodline-- before the entire cluster as an example of your services. Certainly we're aware that you engage in such activities, but it seems telling that you actually feel comfortable sticking this in our collective face.
Of course I fell comfortable. Just because he is Caldari, has nothing to do with what he was....and what he IS now.
This was not a slaving run into Caldari space (which won't happen as they are our allies, and some are already making hte decision themselves to follow God).
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Ostos Marek
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ostos Marek on 09/04/2007 17:43:53
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
This is troubling, for a number of minor, but cumulative, reasons.
It's troubling, for one, that you've chosen to "alter" this Gurista, rather than extradite him to face Caldari justice.
Caldari justice stands far below the betterment of ones soul and serivce to God.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
It's troubling, also, that you've provided no information on his prior crimes for us to compare to his present obedient piety, giving us cause to question whether, in fact, he had done anything at all.
Ask him yourself, he will tell you his past transgressions.
Originally by: Aria Jenneth
Finally, it's troubling that you would parade the portrait of a Civire-- a member of an allied bloodline-- before the entire cluster as an example of your services. Certainly we're aware that you engage in such activities, but it seems telling that you actually feel comfortable sticking this in our collective face.
Of course I feel comfortable. Just because he is Caldari, has nothing to do with what he was....and what he IS now.
This was not a slaving run into Caldari space (which won't happen as they are our allies, and some are already making hte decision themselves to follow God).
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Lord Murkon
Amarr
SPCS
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Posted - 2007.05.09 13:13:00 -
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The SPCS would like to make a donation of 500 high quality Brutor slaves to the SEP program for reeducation. We believe a slave brought into Amarr by the SPCS and trained by the SEP could surpass expectations and truly be a benefit to the Empire through service.
Who should I contact about this donation? The slaves are in a Bestower ready to travel (and have been for a few days at the dock) the captain simply needs a destination.
Lord Murkon
SPCS CEO
SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.05.09 13:18:00 -
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My lord, I believe Ogoel Marek would be the best person to contact.
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