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Simeon Whiteheaven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.12.17 12:45:00 -
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Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings. I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind. It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO. Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today. The point is that they should be available to new players. Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint. You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods. What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing. So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this: - several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering - both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5 - also science, hacking and electronics at level 5 - one original Co-Processor I Blueprint - several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint - one Incognito Data Interface - some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan - and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion) Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent.
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Trin Javidan
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:08:00 -
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they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years |

Trin Javidan
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:09:00 -
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they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years |

Simeon Whiteheaven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.12.17 13:13:00 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years
I would probably do that if they're being sold on the market
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
274
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Posted - 2011.12.17 15:51:00 -
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Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post. |

MNagy
Yo-Mama Quixotic Hegemony
43
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Posted - 2011.12.17 21:31:00 -
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No...
The current invention system works and keeps prices high.
Those who have some old school bpo's - so be it... id rather those go too...
But t2 should never have bpo's |

Simeon Whiteheaven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.12.18 10:00:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post.
One example of a very expressive and picturesque way of speaking his opinion by a person who probably has a large number of T2 originals in the hangar, and of course does not suit him to increase number of original because I would have an impact on his earnings. But I would still like to hear other people's opinion on this topic. Even if CCP use my proposal in this form the most you can expect is to get one blueprint every year. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
214
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Posted - 2011.12.18 12:59:00 -
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Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:Trin Javidan wrote:they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years I would probably do that if they're being sold on the market
Sounds like you've been looking in the wrong places. Try one of these:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=278 <-- Sell Order forum https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=279 <-- Want Ads and Trades forum
They are available to everyone. Just be prepared to pay tens or hundreds of billions of ISK for one. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2011.12.18 15:33:00 -
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Reinstate lottery. +1 |

Takara Mora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.18 16:12:00 -
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MNagy wrote:No...
The current invention system works and keeps prices high.
Those who have some old school bpo's - so be it... id rather those go too...
But t2 should never have bpo's
This! |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
277
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Posted - 2011.12.18 17:09:00 -
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Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Remove your enter key from your keyboard. Alternatively, biomass yourself for being a failure and wasting our time with this post. One example of a very expressive and picturesque way of speaking his opinion by a person who probably has a large number of T2 originals in the hangar, and of course does not suit him to increase number of original because I would have an impact on his earnings. But I would still like to hear other people's opinion on this topic. Even if CCP use my proposal in this form the most you can expect is to get one blueprint every year.
I'm in test bro. I'm more space poor than a homeless man.
I don't need a personal stake in this to know that invention works just fine for people that have half a brain and the only people that cry about T2 bpos simply aren't interested in putting in the effort to make invention work for them. |

Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:08:00 -
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"there's nothing wrong with t2 bpos, so they shouldn't be removed."
but at the same time:
"bpo lottery shouldn't return, t2 bpos are too op."
translation:
"I/my alliance has t2 bpos, we should be the only ones farming them and win Eve."
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
149
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Posted - 2011.12.18 18:10:00 -
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Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings. I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind. It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO. Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today. The point is that they should be available to new players. Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint. You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods. What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing. So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this: - several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering( for ship BPO more than thousand of both type ) - both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5 - also science, hacking and electronics at level 5 - one original Co-Processor I Blueprint - several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint - one Incognito Data Interface - some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan - and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion) Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent.
For you to say this...means you absolutely suck at invention and doing it wrong.
Hell
No.
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Simeon Whiteheaven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:15:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:Well, maybe not to everyone, but at least everyone with a certain Skills level and right corp standings. I'll try to explain what exactly I have in mind. It has been some time since the ccp abolished the "lottery" where you could get any t2 BPO. Whether you get them because of pure luck or providence of some higher power is not an issue to which I will go today. The point is that they should be available to new players. Take for example Co-Processor II Blueprint, to create a copy of the blueprint you need some equipment as: Datacore - Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering, Incognito Data Interface and copy of Co-Processor I Blueprint. You also need some skills like science and electronics both at level 5, and some other at lower level like hacking, Electromagnetic Physics, Electronic Engineering and Gallente encryption methods. What I propose is that people who have the necessary Skills and equipment be allowed to annually make one T2 BPO at an appropriate R&D agent, of whose corporations have required standing. So for example if you want to make Co-Processor II Blueprint original you need this: - several hundred Datacore both Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering( for ship BPO more than thousand of both type ) - both skills for Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering at level 5 - also science, hacking and electronics at level 5 - one original Co-Processor I Blueprint - several copy of Co-Processor II Blueprint - one Incognito Data Interface - some type of tools like Stolen Formulas, Symbiotic Figures, Collision Measurements, Engagement Plan - and od course ISK, lots of ISK ( for equipment and ammo several hundred million ISK, and for ships more than billion) Once you have all the equipment and materials go to the right R&D agent ( one that have both skills with Electromagnetic Physics and Electronic Engineering ), provide him with all required equipment and materials and of course you pay him with ISK and he provide you with your blueprint, but you can only do this once a year and only with one R&D agent. For you to say this...means you absolutely suck at invention and doing it wrong. Hell No. I do not suck in the invention, just dont have too much time that I can work with invention, except when my corp permanently reside in high sec. |

Pink Marshmellow
Abyssal Heavy Industries Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:47:00 -
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What bothers me more is that its called "INVENTION", You can't invent something that ALREADY HAS BEEN CONCEIVED AND MADE!
Change the term invention to some other term. IT IS NOT INVENTION! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1491
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:56:00 -
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Pink Marshmellow wrote:What bothers me more is that its called "INVENTION", You can't invent something that ALREADY HAS BEEN CONCEIVED AND MADE!
Change the term invention to some other term. IT IS NOT INVENTION!
Reverse Enginerring? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:44:00 -
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Where is that Akita T2 BPO mythbuster thread again... |

Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.12.28 16:59:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Where is that Akita T2 BPO mythbuster thread again...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=387996#post387996
this one? (post 68) |

Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.12.29 04:52:00 -
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He posted many times about T2 BPOs, I was looking for the one where he dissects the issue in like 4 different supply/demand situations, each with their peculiarities. |

Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.29 06:32:00 -
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I think the fact that T2 BPOs used in the construction of 50 million ISK ships sell for ~35 billion ISK sort of speaks for itself. |

Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2011.12.29 08:53:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:I think the fact that T2 BPOs used in the construction of 50 million ISK ships sell for ~35 billion ISK sort of speaks for itself. Yes, it means he probably made a loss from reselling it at that price. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
510
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:33:00 -
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Invention is cheap and easy compared to the supply lines necessary to actually BUILD T2 modules. Even if noobs had the BPOs, they wouldn't have a source for materials other than the market, making it pointless to own the BPO.
No new T2 BPOs are necessary...unless CCP will give me a full set of T3 BPOs first. Then I'll change my mind :D |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
312
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Posted - 2011.12.29 18:44:00 -
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Pink Marshmellow wrote:What bothers me more is that its called "INVENTION", You can't invent something that ALREADY HAS BEEN CONCEIVED AND MADE!
Change the term invention to some other term. IT IS NOT INVENTION!
What he said.
If there is anything wrong at all it's the fact that it is called "Invention". EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!
Support our boobies!-á[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread[/url]
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
511
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Posted - 2011.12.29 19:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Reverse Enginerring?
Reverse engineering is what you do to an already-built item to determine how it works (this is done to sleeper wreckage in-game). What's being done with "invention" is that you take a BPO, add an existing dataset, and produce a modified blueprint. I'd say that's just plain "engineering". |

Velicitia
Open Designs
285
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:04:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Malcanis wrote:Reverse Enginerring? Reverse engineering is what you do to an already-built item to determine how it works (this is done to sleeper wreckage in-game). What's being done with "invention" is that you take a BPO, add an existing dataset, and produce a modified blueprint. I'd say that's just plain "engineering".
yeah, but that's already used to get more PG  |

De'Veldrin
Element 27 Intrepid Crossing
372
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:15:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Malcanis wrote:Reverse Enginerring? Reverse engineering is what you do to an already-built item to determine how it works (this is done to sleeper wreckage in-game). What's being done with "invention" is that you take a BPO, add an existing dataset, and produce a modified blueprint. I'd say that's just plain "engineering". yeah, but that's already used to get more PG 
How about "Enhancement"?
Then we could all get in game spam about how we could be enhanced. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |

Obsidiana
White-Noise
45
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:18:00 -
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Invention keeps the prices for T2 low.
Ya, Hulks used to be under 100mil, but before that they were a billion ISK a pop. The owners of T2 BPOs can compete, but what I want to see is the margin eroded away over time. Tweak the modifiers so that respectable production efficiency can be achieved.
Besides that, more T3 ships, reducing the value of T2, would be nice. More faction ships would be great (e.g. Thukker Rupture or Khanid Inquisitor), adding ISK/LP sinks. Faction BCs, just Tier 1s, would be nice. (Tier 2 faction BCs would likely be OP under the traditional progression trends.) I would love to see a Serpentis Brutix, or, better yet, a completely new Sansha BC, personally. |

VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.04 06:54:00 -
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Lets see:
"exploration > radar > invention > bpc market "
With your suggestion these fine tuned and well done parts of the game would just have to dissapear.
What should be done is replacing original T2 BPO-s which exist with fixed (yet to be determined) number of BPC-s of the same type. |

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.01.04 08:08:00 -
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Simeon Whiteheaven wrote:Trin Javidan wrote:they are, just buy them on market like everyone else has been doing for past 4 years I would probably do that if they're being sold on the market
AIRLOCK... AIRLOCK... |

Simeon Whiteheaven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.02.05 11:11:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Reinstate lottery. +1 
Return back to the lottery does not sound like a bad idea, but it must be a better solution fot this. |
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