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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:28:00 - [1] Linkage EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.14 01:45:00 - [2] you bored DS?
The Pest Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:20:00 - [3] Edited by: The Pest on 14/02/2007 02:16:18 What a noob. Everyone uses SHIFT-DELETE
Koston Ilias	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:20:00 - [4] Not enough topics for him, he had to make one. ░░▒▒▒▓▓▓▓█████
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.14 02:47:00 - [5] I never use the recycle bin because I've long since forgotten that you can press delete without holding shift. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.14 04:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Fredou on 14/02/2007 04:17:30 i was going to post that when i saw it on slashdot.... but i didn't
Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2007.02.14 06:01:00 - [7] haha, I wonder how many people would come into tech support because the accidently removed something I bet the number will still be rather large Sig removed. Please keep it in English. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) violet monster came for my sig sob
Dread Operative SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.14 06:22:00 - [8] I can't remember the last time I used the Recycle Bin, ever since shift+delete and I met in a bar, we've been going steady for quite some time. _________________________________________________________
defiler Caldari Mad Hermit	Posted - 2007.02.14 06:24:00 - [9] I had forgotten the shift-delete combo since I've disabled the recycle bin. Holding down shift seems like such a nuisance when just delete is sufficient. I've never seen the point in the recycle bin anyway, why "delete" something if you might want to keep it? *Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004.*
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.02.14 07:05:00 - [10] Originally by: defiler I've never seen the point in the recycle bin anyway, why "delete" something if you might want to keep it? Same reason that you have undo in a text editor? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.14 13:33:00 - [11] nice one too
Constantine Arcanum IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.14 14:50:00 - [12] Don't understand this whole pc vs mac argument. PC can do everything and MORE than a mac can do. I went on a mac once and was disgusted that bf2 wasn't installed on it! OUTRAGE therefor pc > mac
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2007.02.14 16:05:00 - [13] Dear Microsoft, Please design an operating system that isn't so massive that there is significant danger of it collapsing into a black hole which will destroy the universe. All we gamers want is a stripped down operating system whose main features are optimizations, not excessive amounts of fluff. As a bonus, the stripped down operating system should be much simpler, and thus much easier to keep secure. Thank you. Signed, Taedrin
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.02.14 16:28:00 - [14] It's part of the MS plot to increase Mouse sales. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
defiler Caldari Mad Hermit	Posted - 2007.02.14 18:11:00 - [15] Edited by: defiler on 14/02/2007 18:08:54 Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: defiler I've never seen the point in the recycle bin anyway, why "delete" something if you might want to keep it? Same reason that you have undo in a text editor? Not the same thing. The recycle bin only catches deleted stuff. Undo functions cover all kind of things, overwriting, small changes etc. So, if undo only allowed undo on delete operations then no, I wouldn't see the point of it either since I never delete text in a text editor that I'm not sure about, all my messups that call for undo are for different reasons. *Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004.*
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.14 21:18:00 - [16] Just try some programming with voice recognition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc Funny thing is, he still got it done faster than a Java programmer on a keyboard.
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Frezik Just try some programming with voice recognition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc Funny thing is, he still got it done faster than a Java programmer on a keyboard. Then that's one **** poor programmer I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Dawa Za	Posted - 2007.02.14 23:40:00 - [18] Originally by: defiler I've never seen the point in the recycle bin anyway, why "delete" something if you might want to keep it? Cos when you are trying to clean up your Call of Duty folder and remove all the crappy mods but accidentilly delete a big important file...you want it back. Unfortunately I emptied the bin straight away --- Originally by: Dvaren Bouncing around a system, totally immune to probes or pursuit, while attacking the target of your choice with no accountability...is not in the spirit of pirating.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 23:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Fredou nice one too I lol'd I'm not that much of a fan of Mac OS, really. If I want what Mac can offer, I can get it easily enough from Linux for free. And if I want something that neither can offer, Windows is still easier for many things. I still find gaming easier on XP than on Linux, since Wine can be a pain in the butt sometimes for less able computery types like me. Everything else, pretty much, Linux can do better. -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 03:38:00 - [20] Hold Windows to the same standards as some people hold Linux, and you'll quickly see that Windows is not ready for the common user, either. You can only say that Linux is harder if you get to cherry-pick your examples. The OP demonstrates one of the many, many UI screw-ups that Windows has had over the years. Many Linux distros have had an easier, less error-prone installation than Windows for years. For Knoppix, it could be no more difficult than inserting a CD and rebooting. Wireless networking always works for me on Linux, while it constantly drops in Windows. Configuration files on Linux are always in either /etc (for system config) or in dot files in the user's home dir (for user config files). Typing 'man <name of file>' will almost always bring up all the documentation you need for that file. The registry, OTOH, is an atrocious, poorly-documented mess, and you take a chance of fragging your entire system every time you touch it. There's no guarantee that a program keeps all its configuration info in the registry, either. User files in Linux always end up in their home directory. If you download a file, it'll be in your home dir. If you save an e-mail attachment, it'll be in your home dir. If you work on a spreadsheet, it'll be in your home dir. The equivalent in Windows, My Documents, is not used nearly as extensively. Many users and applications ignore it. Even Microsoft can't keep user files straight; the OS team and the Media Player team have different ideas of where movies should be stored, and users often end up ignoring both of them. In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing.
Muthsera S.A.S	Posted - 2007.02.15 07:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Muthsera on 15/02/2007 07:09:48 Originally by: Frezik Just try some programming with voice recognition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc Funny thing is, he still got it done faster than a Java programmer on a keyboard. ROFLMAO!! edit: can you taste the frustration?? Omg I think I peed my pants. lmao Rabble
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.15 09:43:00 - [22] In 2009 Vista will become self-aware and forcefully install itself into and monitor all technology. We will no longer be able to use the microwave or turn on the lights without being prompted 17 times. The horror! ---
Jarjar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.15 10:38:00 - [23] Originally by: Constantine Arcanum Don't understand this whole pc vs mac argument. PC can do everything and MORE than a mac can do. I went on a mac once and was disgusted that bf2 wasn't installed on it! OUTRAGE therefor pc > mac I take it this is sarcasm, since a Mac can do everything a PC can do and more, and not the other way around. "This was not a fight it was simply a pathetic gank." - Ginger Magician
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.15 11:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Frezik In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing. Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. ---------- IBTL \o/ Fix the ******* map! Privateers FTW
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Frezik In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing. Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. Well, the thing with Windows is that it's just a lot more user friendly than Linux - You might be able to get Linux to do everything Windows can, and do it better, but it takes some technical know-how, and you need to learn to use the system properly - Whereas windows is just plug-and-go. Windows might not be the best system around, but it sure as hell is the most user friendly, and the one that works best for most people who just want to play games or use it for school. Sigs are for noobs.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Frezik In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing. Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. Speaking from just my perspective (someone who mostly uses XP, has Linux running on a machine or two, and has been bullied into using Mac at a Uni network): The main problem with Windows is quite simply the buggyness. In terms of usability (that is, UI and ease of use) XP is fine and dandy (I'd still recommend it to anyone who doesn't have any computer experience over the other OSs). But for shear quantity of bugs and problems, its a nightmare. With my XP machines, I find myself running defrags every couple of weeks just to keep it from slowing to a crawl. Never in any other OS have I actually had word processors freeze up or CTD like I have in Windows before. In no other OS would I be required to run 3 3rd party programs (anti-virus, anti-spyware and a firewall) just to keep my computer safe while on the internet; and STILL get pwnd if I open the wrong email. And in terms of sheer resource guzzlers, the Vista OS (and to a lesser extent XP) are in a league of their own for simple tasks and idling. I've never had Linux lock up on me (BSOD style), and the entire experience is just......smoother. On the other hand, Unix-like OS's are still less user friendly (my parents, for example, would probably have a heart attack trying to do what they can do in Windows on a Linux distro), and XP is still far simpler for things like playing games. Not only that, but Windows really does have the best software- AutoCad, for example, is Windows only. The beauty of Linux is that, being free, you can use it in conjunction with Windows so you get the best of both worlds. Its because the same can't be said of Mac that I'm not a fan. -------- Originally by: Constantine Arcanum most problems can be solved with chloroform.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.15 13:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Frezik In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing. Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. Well, the thing with Windows is that it's just a lot more user friendly than Linux Give a specific example that isn't due to a a crappy or nonexistent 3rd party driver. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Krulla Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 14:24:00 - [28] Edited by: Krulla on 15/02/2007 14:21:06 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Krulla Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Frezik In short, while Linux may not be perfect, Microsoft supporters should look at the major usability issues in Windows before criticizing. Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. Well, the thing with Windows is that it's just a lot more user friendly than Linux Give a specific example that isn't due to a a crappy or nonexistent 3rd party driver. Yes, exactly. With Linux, you need to know just what the hell a 3rd party driver is. Whereas most people with zero computer knowledge can get windows up and running. EDIT: I agree that Windows Vista is a scourge on teh internets. But I think that Windows in general has some merits, while Linux also has some. Sigs are for noobs.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.02.15 15:25:00 - [29] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 15/02/2007 15:22:02 Originally by: Krulla Yes, exactly. With Linux, you need to know just what the hell a 3rd party driver is. Whereas most people with zero computer knowledge can get windows up and running. Huh? What are you talking about? When you install Windows, you have to go on the internet and download 3rd party drivers for all your peripherals and components. Windows itself comes with very few of them. The reason people can "get their computers up and running" with Windows is because Dell/Compaq/whatever installs all the drivers for them. If you gave them a blank computer and a Windows install disk, they'd have no idea what to do. EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Frezik Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.02.15 17:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Krulla Yes, exactly. With Linux, you need to know just what the hell a 3rd party driver is. Whereas most people with zero computer knowledge can get windows up and running. Under Windows, there are separate drivers for the D-Link DE-530, the LinkSys Etherfast series, and the SMC EtherPower PCI. Under Linux, these all fall under one driver, named 'tulip'. That's because they all use the same chipset, so there's no real difference between them. This makes it much easier to autodetect the hardware and install the right driver (and many distros do exactly that). Originally by: Jarjar I take it this is sarcasm, since a Mac can do everything a PC can do and more, and not the other way around. I have a Turing Machine, complete with infinite paper tape. I can do anything, as long as you don't mind me taking too long to do it. Originally by: Crumplecorn Name some? Because in your entire post you didn't mention a single usability issue. Way to sweep all my arguments away. Keeping files in obvious places is a usability issue. The OP's example of all the steps to go through to delete a shortcut is a usability issue. Keeping configuration files together, well documented, and modifiable without borking your system is a usability issue. Unless you just want to redefine what "usability" means.

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