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Tega Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tega Khan on 14/02/2007 03:43:45
I was wondering if the scorpion was as bad as everyone makes it to be. People say its horrible for pvp, but for my purposes, I intend to only do low sec ratting and pve and the fact that its the cheapest caldari bs helps as well. So i was wondering, if pvp was out of its usage, does it still do ok in ratting/missions?
Edit: also, any viable pve setups would be appreciated (the ship module section only has an rmr pvp thread)
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Vizranuh
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Vizranuh on 14/02/2007 03:45:20
Nothing is wrong with the scorp. It's useful in gangs and fleet. It'll almost always be called primary though.
If you're only going to be ratting or mission running, you should probably get a raven. Better tank and damage.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.02.14 03:53:00 -
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All i have to say is i hope your corporation is funding it if you fly it in fleet ops.
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Tega Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.14 04:00:00 -
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Well, one of the stronger factors that made me chose the scorp was because of its price. So maybe until i make more money, ill aim for the scorp first.
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Mr Peanut
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.14 04:05:00 -
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It's easy to PvE in a scorp because of its monster tank, but it takes a long time. I've never known anyone to try lvl 4's in them, but I'm sure the other levels of missions would work just fine. Also, I have seen many scorps rat for price reasons. They can easily handle any rat spawn, but like I said, it takes a long time.
Basically, I wouldn't use a scorp for PvE unless you can't afford a Raven. It's good for large gang and fleet combat because of ECM, but you're almost always going to be called primary. I hope your corp will be funding your fleet combat if you plan to use a scorp in such an activity.
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 04:10:00 -
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He said its for low sec ratting and PvE. I have to ask why bother. Just use a Drake until you can afford a Raven. Scorpion is a dedicated PvP ship due to only having ECM bonuses which are useless in PvE. Yes its sad Caldari don't have a nice Tier 1 PvE battleship like the Domi but just save up for the Raven its well worth it and will pay you back your investment quickly. But I hope you mean 0.0 ratting not low-sec? Low-sec isn't worth it in a battleship, you are way to easy to gank in a battleship and can't make any money ratting in low-sec anyway.
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Tega Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.14 04:13:00 -
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What i dont like about caldari is its dependence on missiles for pretty much everything. I started playing with the intention of being a caldari rail user, but it just seems that all caldari rail boats suck (merlin/moa/ferox) i condisder the scorp as a semi-rail platform mainly because the raven is so well known for missiles. The rokh being an expensive Tier 3 Battleship doesnt help either *sigh*. I guess ill cross train to gallente :(
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Jehovah Cooper
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 05:32:00 -
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You say that likes its such a bad thing ;)
Cross-training Gallente is not bad idea especially if you want to PvP. I first did it because I was so frustrated with the lack of good small-gang heavy cruiser for Caldari and so trained up for the Thorax. After that I stayed pretty committed to gunnery skills and fly the Rokh, Ferox, Brutix and Thorax all a fair bit. When I get T2 large hybrids I may start flying the Megathron as well but without T2 it hasn't got the range for fleet.
I use the missle ships (mainly Raven, rarely Drake) for PvE and wouldn't think of using anything else - except for the Dominx which I use to tank/mine for my mining alt 
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Arbenowskee
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.14 08:16:00 -
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well the scorp was once a must in any gang, because of it's tremendus ECM power. when ECM was remade, it was even better. these days it's just a shadow of it's former glory, because of ecm nerf.
for PvE, get a drake. it does more dmg than scorpion does and tanks almost as good + it's faster and hits smaller targets better. scorp is all but useless atm.
if u insist on using it for pvp, go with cruise missile launchers and 2x nos, 1x sensor booster, other meds filled with ecm, and lows what ever u feal u might need (like a plate or 2, etc)
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Warrio
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Posted - 2007.02.14 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Warrio on 14/02/2007 09:34:12
You will be disapointed with this ship in PvE.
Like any ship it can do the job however with the DPS of a retarded 3 year old it will take quite some time to bring down anything big enough to be worth taking down with a BS.
Also, if I saw a scorp on scanner ratting in low sec it would just scream 'gank me I'm a nub'.
Originally by: Ginger Magician
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MrTaz
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Posted - 2007.02.14 16:39:00 -
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I have given up on my scorp as a combat ship. It is now my "science vessel" for exploration.
2 analyzers, 2 codebreakers, 2 salvagers and some missile launchers for minimal protection. I let a combat BS clear the site then come in in my scorp to do the fancy stuff.
Works well when opening the cans spawns little baddies.
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Tunajuice
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tunajuice on 14/02/2007 18:39:19
 Originally by: Tega Khan
What i dont like about caldari is its dependence on missiles for pretty much everything. I started playing with the intention of being a caldari rail user, but it just seems that all caldari rail boats suck (merlin/moa/ferox) i condisder the scorp as a semi-rail platform mainly because the raven is so well known for missiles. The rokh being an expensive Tier 3 Battleship doesnt help either *sigh*. I guess ill cross train to gallente :(
I am a caldari rail user. You are right merlin moa ferox suck. So go this route
harpy -> eagle -> rokh
Harpys cost like 12 mil, cheap as dirt. Eagles cost maybe 70 mil, not that much more than a ferox.
All 3 have range way higher than any other rail ship of their class.. definitely fun in pvp, but you need tech2 guns with spike or they are pretty useless.
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Graalum
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.02.14 18:56:00 -
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i've enjoyed flying ferox in pvp, decent gang ship for about 40 mil with good kit. Faction/t2 ammo helps though.
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice
Eagles cost maybe 70 mil
Never bothered to look at caldari t2 prices, but dang, 70 mil for a HAC? Omg.
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Slayton Ford
Caldari
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Arbenowskee
for PvE, get a drake. it does more dmg than scorpion does and tanks almost as good + it's faster and hits smaller targets better. scorp is all but useless atm.
I would say that a drake can tank better then a scorpion as a t1/t2 fitted drake can tank as well (or better) then a t1/t2 fitted raven (so no gist boosters).
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FraXy
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford
Originally by: Arbenowskee
for PvE, get a drake. it does more dmg than scorpion does and tanks almost as good + it's faster and hits smaller targets better. scorp is all but useless atm.
I would say that a drake can tank better then a scorpion as a t1/t2 fitted drake can tank as well (or better) then a t1/t2 fitted raven (so no gist boosters).
So for the summary a Drake tanks better then a Raven which tanks worse then a Scorpion which has 2 midslots over a Raven?
Damn fine logic running around there i see.
Please don`t Primary me..
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Tega Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.14 19:50:00 -
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Well like I said i have intentions to be a rail user, so drake/raven aside, if i dont cross train gallente ill probably go for the tech 2 caldari rail ships. It might take longer to reach as my skills are still pretty low, but i guess i have no choice, harpy here i come! *sigh*
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 14/02/2007 20:05:04
Originally by: Slayton Ford
Originally by: Arbenowskee
for PvE, get a drake. it does more dmg than scorpion does and tanks almost as good + it's faster and hits smaller targets better. scorp is all but useless atm.
I would say that a drake can tank better then a scorpion as a t1/t2 fitted drake can tank as well (or better) then a t1/t2 fitted raven (so no gist boosters).
Scorpion can, as a dedicated tanker, be one of the best tanking ship there is in existance, *probably* better than an armageddon/apocalypse. But we are talking no-damage dedicted-tanking.
So, it's only real PVE use is complex-tanking for its buddies. And that's it. The Raven and the Rokh are better in all other respects.
So no. Don't use a scorpion to PVE. Doing it is an insult to the Raven, and quite frankly, there is no point.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2007.02.14 20:24:00 -
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Low sercuity pve but without the cash? get a drake for god sakes
drake is:
cheaper than scorp
monster tank that could handle most lv4
same if not better DPS than scorp
fast(er)
did i mention cheaper?
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Heloise ChateauBriande
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Posted - 2007.02.14 22:59:00 -
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Poor Scorpion. Sniff. People USED to fly you!! 
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:31:00 -
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I don't know Scorp might make a good trap ship. Get a BB in the fleet with a passive targeter, fit for Amar/Minmatter, have it jam two enemy battleships (also locked by scorp). Scorp gets made primary - while fitting an OMG shield tank and cap booster. If you can soak enemy fleet fire long enough it might be worthy flying just as an EvE version of a meat shield...
Of course the above requires 1)That you load before dying and 2)That the other guys don't have so much firepower that nothing is surviving focused fire.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.14 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Segmentor
Originally by: Tunajuice
Eagles cost maybe 70 mil
Never bothered to look at caldari t2 prices, but dang, 70 mil for a HAC? Omg.
More expensive than a sarcliedge. Last time i checked on the eagle it was 80-100m.
Moas and Feroxs rock for large gang combat.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.02.15 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 15/02/2007 00:11:59
Use a ferox if you like rails than..
rails+heavy launchers or better assault launchers (frigs) and large shieldextenders+rat specific hardeners works well in low sec and even 0.0
I tried ratting once in 0.0 (moa) vs 2* 100k cruisers and 1* 500 k bs and with lead charge M it all died...wasnt hard. Orbitted around 75 km. ferox can do it even better.
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