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Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.14 11:31:00 - [1] The Gallente Federation is commonly held, by those who wish it well to be a paragon of representative government. It is interesting to consider then, why it would be that those inspired by their example the Minmatar Republic and those bitterly opposed to what it represents, The Amarr Empire, enjoy the support of a host of loyal paramilitaries. The Gallente Federation does not or a least not a host. Why is that? I proffer the opinion that it may well be down to the fact that they are constantly trying to defend what the Federation has been, as opposed to what it might be. I would further offer that those who most vociferously voice their commitment to the ideals of freedom and equality are quite often those who are seen to trample all over these fabric of these vital principle in what they envisage as their defence. I speak as an Intaki and as a citizen of the Federation. We need a new vision, not retrenched positions and violent equations on vital questions. I wonder who will offer one? "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Rover Vitesse Gallente FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.14 12:46:00 - [2] It has been a long while since I have visited my homelands, and in a world of change, it is indeed depressing to see that some things never change. The strength of the Federation, it's libertarian attitudes to most things, is also it's weakness. The ideals of personal freedom are all very well, however it leads to a situation where most citizens value their freedom, at expense of all other factors, not limited to, but including others freedom. It is dissapointing that the only time the Federation has been able to act decisively and coherently as a community, is when the freedom of the entire Federation is in question; namely the war. On my years of travel, and my personal struggle through New Eden, I have realised that nothing will truly bind men together apart from shared hardship. I fear it will take a great shared hardship before a great leader can unite the fragments of the Federation. Rovers Chronicles
Neuromandis EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.02.14 14:25:00 - [3] As the old Terran saying goes: "Those that sacrifice essential freedom for temporary safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety"... They seem to understand that. They have by all means a lot of drawbacks and imperfections, but they have a free and working government. Good, bad or ugly, I'd choose it over the perfect dictatorship or imperialism any day of the week. The fact that they do not have paramilitaries means that they do not NEED them. Rest assured, if war came knocking the Gallente doors you would find a lot of capsuleers ready to defend them. It is the lack of strife that does not give food to paramilitaries. If there was no slavery, would Ushra'Khan ever form? If the Republic did not need help against those that would compromise its freedom, would Namtz'aar K'in exist? Hedonism or not, the liberal viewpoint and the existant and important public opinion makes them a natural ally against our strifes against oppression. I cannot demand of them to be constantly on their tows - they succeeded in their strifes and now have unstrung their bows to reap their rewards. Come to think of it, it is what the Republic would want too but is unable because of the constant threat of the Amarr paramilitaries and cross-border slavers.
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:36:00 - [4] I think my concerns, is that the Federation with its liberal ideas have brought to the point where it conflicts with the basic principles of the Federation. There have been recent discussions concerning an outpost built by Amarrian paramilitaries whose sole purpose is to take the poor and destitute Gallente nationals. These forgotten citizens are then being converted in Amarrian slaves. Apparently they are doing this with the blessing of the Federation government. If the reports are true, then the Federation has begun to spiral down a path away from its core beliefs and values. have we opened our door too wide to let in those who wish to enslave the entire population of New Eden? Who better to serve this example, than the enslavement of the Gallente people and other Federation citizens. What ever direction the Federation goes in, it should not be this one. Dominus Causing trouble as best I can!
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.14 22:50:00 - [5] The reason you do not see strength in Gallente pilot organizations has nothing to do with their need. The answer is in the basic formation and ideals of the Gallente. The self is greater than the society. This leads to greed, corruption, or at least a marked lack of interest in society outside that which is of direct benefit or interest to the individual. It may be said the Gallente will band together in time of trouble, but for how long? A society of disinterest will fail.
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.14 23:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Pezzle The reason you do not see strength in Gallente pilot organizations has nothing to do with their need. The answer is in the basic formation and ideals of the Gallente. The self is greater than the society. This leads to greed, corruption, or at least a marked lack of interest in society outside that which is of direct benefit or interest to the individual. It may be said the Gallente will band together in time of trouble, but for how long? A society of disinterest will fail. There is only way to find out. Invade us. I am almost willing to bet that Amarr will fall back after first few battle when then face the Federation resolved to defend itself. You will recieve another blow to your "unshakable" faith when your God will abandon Amarr ships on the battlefield, just like he did when you went up against the Jovians. No I think you won't put that to test. It's far easier to steal into Gallente space, kidnap citizens worthy of becoming slaves and run back home like thieves in the night. Dominus Causing trouble as best I can!
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.15 00:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Dominus1 There is only way to find out. Invade us. I am almost willing to bet that Amarr will fall back after first few battle when then face the Federation resolved to defend itself. Why? As your decadance continues, your little Federation will only fall into pieces. Do you want us to hurry the process along for you? Originally by: Dominus1 You will recieve another blow to your "unshakable" faith when your God will abandon Amarr ships on the battlefield, just like he did when you went up against the Jovians. The mind of God is not for us to know; it is certainly not for an insipid heretic such as yourself to know. Of course, fools as yourself will continue pointing to Vak'Atioth and screaming about the downfall of the Empire. The Federation are not the Jovians, and the Navy consists of far, far more force than the mere detachment that was lost that day. Beware the glorious, golden destruction you seem to be wishing upon yourselves. Originally by: Dominus1 No I think you won't put that to test. It's far easier to steal into Gallente space, kidnap citizens worthy of becoming slaves and run back home like thieves in the night. I cringe at the idea of falling back to that childish-yet-wise phrase, "It takes one to know one", but I'll let the shattered wrecks of Federal naval vessels I've left scattered about the Domain region speak for themselves. Thieves indeed. "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Dominus1 Gallente Trojan Ink	Posted - 2007.02.15 19:20:00 - [8] Our "decadence" is our strength in diversity. However, how do I expect an Amarr like you to understand that. Go ahead, make your invasion plans against the Federation. Why don't move against the Republic as well since you see them as a constant irritant as well. I tell you why you haven't. And it's not because CONCORD watching over us all. You and simpering Empire are all a bunch cowards. You can't even publicly assemble a fleet for the sole purpose enslaving a population because you know that that some one would be there to stop you. So instead, you sneak (yes I mean skulk) into some unsuspecting planet and take what you want. Your Empire is no better, than a common pirate. Should I come across any Amarr on a mission of slavery make no mistake. I'm going to take that ship as my own and free the slaves. I won't even destroy it so I hope you see again working in a honorable service. Dominus Causing trouble as best I can!
Mr Reeth	Posted - 2007.02.16 05:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Dominus1 Our "decadence" is our strength in diversity. However, how do I expect an Amarr like you to understand that. Go ahead, make your invasion plans against the Federation. Why don't move against the Republic as well since you see them as a constant irritant as well. I tell you why you haven't. And it's not because CONCORD watching over us all. You and simpering Empire are all a bunch cowards. You can't even publicly assemble a fleet for the sole purpose enslaving a population because you know that that some one would be there to stop you. So instead, you sneak (yes I mean skulk) into some unsuspecting planet and take what you want. Your Empire is no better, than a common pirate. Should I come across any Amarr on a mission of slavery make no mistake. I'm going to take that ship as my own and free the slaves. I won't even destroy it so I hope you see again working in a honorable service. Dominus This statement is insane. IÆve read your past posts and it seems out of character for you so I will assume you are having a bad day. The Gallente decadence is its rampant drug use, prostitution and ****ography. The Gallente ôfreedomö is just a perverse type of slavery. The Federation gives its people enough rope to hang themselves and then exploits them in horrific ways. As for diversity, the Empire is far more diverse than the Federation. Enlightened former slaves walk, live, work and pray beside their former masters. While in the Federation Matari immigrants are forced to work hours longer than slaves in Empire. And then they are not given enough pay to house or feed their families. Empire slaves are given far more. And as if that were not enough, the Federation pushes its vices on the poor masses. You hand them prostitution, drugs, gambling and all manner of vices. They spend their hard earned cash on these and not their families. And loyal Amarrians donÆt ôsneakö into Republic space to steal slaves. This is a vicious lie. Those that do are criminals and will be executed in Amarr as quick as in the Republic. I have stopped a number of rogue slavers. They are mostly Blood Raiders, The Seven, and even vile Gallente pimps running human flesh. So you say you will kill slavers in Republic and Federation space. Go ahead, we welcome the help. Just make sure they are unwilling slaves. There are those that would rather become slaves than watch their children shrivel and die from hunger and disease in the wonderful Gallente Federation.
Octavinus Augustus	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:38:00 - [10] Edited by: Octavinus Augustus on 16/02/2007 10:37:40 The basic problem with the Gallente Federation is simple. You seem to believe that the laws of men are somehow superior to those of GOD - and each of you seem to think that you are personally the highest and most supreme being in the universe. While you will vehemently deny this, the reason for your Federation not having a host of pilots prepared to die for it is simply this: The Gallente Federation is not a cause worth dying for - and no "true" Gallente are prepared to die for something greater than themselves anyway. As for Dominus1's blatant provocations - well they are only worthy of scorn. We are on the field of battle and we do fight the worthy cause. We simply prioritize our enemies according to importance - and people such as Dominus1 are far down the list - if he has even made it onto it. As for making invasion plans against the Federation, we simply don't need to. To make a quote out of ancient and forgotten history: If we kick in the door the whole structure will come crashing down.

Ly'sol	Posted - 2007.02.16 10:53:00 - [11] Cute, Another who thinks that racially aligning with each other into groups is a good thing. And you wonder why the Caldari went behind their backs among other things 300 years ago. Corvus...your a pod pilot. The limits of your ship is your sovereign nation. Why would you persist to support a controlling force which simply has no control over you? The Federation is run by lies, and fuel by misinterpretations of the truth. There is always some upstart power monger within its ranks trying to push forth a "cause" to sway peoples support to them. Give it up..your bounds where freed from you the moment you stepped into your first ship and the docking tractor beams disengaged. Your dreams and hopes are yours alone now. And if anything..don't go back to what is familiar because it is a veil of control and social slavery that has been draped over your eyes and only now are you seeing the verse as it should be. The likes of the empires is no concern of ours. What they do is quiet simply trivial to us at the moment. You want a new vision? Look at all your brothers and sisters planet side. And how their lives are run by the system. Being moved to action over some ideology is dangerous. And the citizens of the federation are forced into having absolute faith in that system. Even when it was wrong that they must be right. And if you didn't win the genetic lottery out of trillions...you would still be one of them. And don't envy the Minmatar or Amarr Paramilitaries. They were the ones that have currently failed and are not yet ready to embrass a life without their collective past. Step forward and see yourself as what you are as an immortal that sees no need for territorial lines and one who is at singularity with himself and the universe. All of space is free for you. And all you need to do is see to yourself and your own by moving on past what you were taught to believe in your life. As for the Federation..perhaps even the State. They are a collective people from which we both call our homelands. But they are not ready, and nothing will force them to see what you will hopefully learn in the future. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 30NOV06
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 16/02/2007 11:36:33 Quote: Cute, Another who thinks that racially aligning with each other into groups is a good thing. And you wonder why the Caldari went behind their backs among other things 300 years ago. Corvus...your a pod pilot. The limits of your ship is your sovereign nation. Why would you persist to support a controlling force which simply has no control over you? The Federation is run by lies, and fuel by misinterpretations of the truth. There is always some upstart power monger within its ranks trying to push forth a "cause" to sway peoples support to them. Give it up..your bounds where freed from you the moment you stepped into your first ship and the docking tractor beams disengaged. Your dreams and hopes are yours alone now. And if anything..don't go back to what is familiar because it is a veil of control and social slavery that has been draped over your eyes and only now are you seeing the verse as it should be. The likes of the empires is no concern of ours. What they do is quiet simply trivial to us at the moment. You want a new vision? Look at all your brothers and sisters planet side. And how their lives are run by the system. Being moved to action over some ideology is dangerous. And the citizens of the federation are forced into having absolute faith in that system. Even when it was wrong that they must be right. And if you didn't win the genetic lottery out of trillions...you would still be one of them. And don't envy the Minmatar or Amarr Paramilitaries. They were the ones that have currently failed and are not yet ready to embrass a life without their collective past. Step forward and see yourself as what you are as an immortal that sees no need for territorial lines and one who is at singularity with himself and the universe. All of space is free for you. And all you need to do is see to yourself and your own by moving on past what you were taught to believe in your life. As for the Federation..perhaps even the State. They are a collective people from which we both call our homelands. But they are not ready, and nothing will force them to see what you will hopefully learn in the future. I have no desire to indulge in the predominantly racial politics of the Intaki Union. I am happy to be Intaki but I do not seek my genetic and cultural make-up to define me. We are, I think, what we do. The sum of our experience and actions is that which shapes us. I believe that we are creatures of nurture not nature. What I sought to point out was that in my view the Federation is at its present low ebb because it has started to lean on the crutch of repression in the name of it's own continued existance. It declares itself a democracy and a beacon of individualisitc freedom and yet it continues to rule out certain questions as being acceptable for debate. Intaki secession may well be one of these. This has led it into making some truly unfortunate decisions. Desecration of planets and enforced emmigration are no way to demonstrate the tolerance that is supposed to lie at the heart of government. Yet, we have seen these things and more being perpetrated in the name of the continued existance of the Federation. I invite people to consider what the word 'Federation' means. To me implies a consensual government supported by the will of the majority of people. There are those however, who fearing an answer they do hold to be in their interest and voicing a fear of electoral corruption, who have stated that questions such as Intaki secession cannot be put to the people on the basis that the people themselves cannot be trusted to consider their own destiny. What is the Federation if not the sum of all of it's people?
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:38:00 - [13] At this point it is necessary to point out that I do not support secession but support the right of interested citizens to debate it. This is vital if we are to disarm those who claim to speak for the Intaki at the end of a rail gun. I have yet to meet the Idama who has spoken passionately of violence as the answer to any problem, let alone this one. The federation has become moribund and there is a lack of vision at the heart of what is wrong. We do not consider what it is to become, instead there is merely an attempt to keep the tide of popular disaffection from the door by means of reactionary politicking. The debate is constantly framed by what we cannot discuss rather than what we can and should discuss. Consequently the passion that leads people to defend thier allegiances with their very lives seems absent from the Federation. It is this which I sought to point out as a poor comparison to the absolutist Amarr and the revoloutionary Matar whose struggle I have joined. The Federation has ceased to serve the needs of it's people in my view and I see very little among the capsuleer community that gives me cause for hope. A life amongst the stars should lead us all to be aspirational. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.02.18 17:08:00 - [14] "At this point it is necessary to point out that I do not support secession but support the right of interested citizens to debate it. This is vital if we are to disarm those who claim to speak for the Intaki at the end of a rail gun. I have yet to meet the Idama who has spoken passionately of violence as the answer to any problem, let alone this one. The federation has become moribund and there is a lack of vision at the heart of what is wrong. We do not consider what it is to become, instead there is merely an attempt to keep the tide of popular disaffection from the door by means of reactionary politicking. The debate is constantly framed by what we cannot discuss rather than what we can and should discuss. Consequently the passion that leads people to defend thier allegiances with their very lives seems absent from the Federation. It is this which I sought to point out as a poor comparison to the absolutist Amarr and the revoloutionary Matar whose struggle I have joined. The Federation has ceased to serve the needs of it's people in my view and I see very little among the capsuleer community that gives me cause for hope. A life amongst the stars should lead us all to be aspirational." The beauty of the Federation is that you're welcome to share these opinions without fear of reprisal from an oppressive government. As we've discussed elsewhere, the Federation also makes no attempt to bar the entry of people who seek to enjoy its freedoms or the exit of those who prefer a different life. This is the Federation's gift to New Eden, that you can choose to accept it or spurn it at your leisure. As for your mention of aspirations, I think you fall into the trap of many capsuleers, believing that you speak for the majority of citizens. I fight for the masses that could care less about the stars or what orbits them, who seek only a peaceful life that they might enjoy with their families and loved ones. The real pity to me about the Federation way of life is that it encourages people to think that liberty means that their well-being should take precedence over the well-being of the majority. Freedom must be tempered by restraint and the rule of law or it becomes anarchy, just a clever name for tyranny of the strong.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.19 10:31:00 - [15] If it were the majority for whom I speak, then there would be no need for me to speak. My individual liberty is not at question here, the right of the Federation's citizens to debate what they will, when they will, is. It's the tyranny of the majority that is at fault here perhaps. The apathy present within the Federation needs to be addressed and I don't see anyone willing or able to do it. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.02.20 02:11:00 - [16] "My individual liberty is not at question here, the right of the Federation's citizens to debate what they will, when they will, is. It's the tyranny of the majority that is at fault here perhaps." Where is the right of the people to _debate_ infringed?
Katrina Kirellii Caldari Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.02.20 15:51:00 - [17] At ESCOR, even though we are primarily Caldari, we recognise that the Federation just is not going anywhere soon. Living in the Federation allows us to visit Caldari Prime whenever we want and picnic amongst the ruins of our ancestors. It is not always pleasant, but it is home. We actively encourage any form of talks which may lead to a peaceful resolution and the return of Caldari Prime. At times our passions overtake us as anyone who loves understands and we do our share of sabre rattling. At times we test the framework of the Gallente economy and probe for weaknesses... The Gallente Federation is strong. It's people are determined. Trade is brisk. Even Privateers police our skies for hostile foreigners who have turned their back on making the Federation a home. There will always be problems and fringe elements creating drugs, trafficking in human suffering, profaning god, and conducting dishonorable business. These are not really excusable, but lacking regulation, decency, piety, and sound business sense is also a trait of youth. I can not say that I love CONCORD or ever will, since more of my ships have been destroyed by them than any other force. It makes me weep to know that we all pay good money for them to exist. Yes, the Federation is strong today. It is a place where you can form a startup corp with little regard for Caldari corporate tables of organization. The Panel is not here except as news in the comics. Some staple foods of the State are luxuries here. Visit Caldari Prime and see the shame of the past in orbit. Stop in and get a brochure and let your voice be heard. Relax at ESCOR HQ overlooking scenic destroyed Caldari Prime and let the slow boil in your blood warm you. The Federation is strong -----> today. While CONCORD exists, it is also relatively safe for those who obey the laws. Join Today!
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.21 12:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Gervais Zhang "My individual liberty is not at question here, the right of the Federation's citizens to debate what they will, when they will, is. It's the tyranny of the majority that is at fault here perhaps." Where is the right of the people to _debate_ infringed? If it isn't, then a debate on Intaki secession followed by a vote should not be a step too far. If such happens, I shall happily withdraw all accusations of certain topics being barred in Gallente politics. Know this, I am convinced that such a debate and vote shall re-affirm the wish of the Intaki to remain part of the Federation and forestall those with more violent agendas. Where then is the risk? "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Zagamesh The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.02.21 14:53:00 - [19] The only problem with bringing the "Intaki Question" to referendum is that it is blatantly obvious that it is being used as a platform by interested parties to attempt to secede the Placid region from the Federation. For if we ignore all the racial rhetoric, this is what is wanted by the groups supporting a secession isn't it? An autonomous Intaki "State" in the Placid region. The, "Intaki Question" should be rephrased the, "Placid Question." Not only Intaki live in the Placid. All citizens of the Federation are free to live where they will and Placid is no different. They have just the same rights under Federation law as any other citizen - Intaki included. Yet why are their voices never heard in the, "Placid Question."? That's right, they're not Intaki correct? They have no right to speak about the situation in Placid because it is now the, "Intaki Question." Their concerns have been co-opted by secessionists who wish to push their own racist agenda in Placid. No doubt to create a despotic paradise in the Placid region where all others must bow down before their "Intaki" overlords. Racial prejudice was something we moved past long ago in the Federation M. Corvus. It is depressing to see racist anachronisms such as yourself judging everything by ethnicity. Perhaps it is best you have left the Federation. For I would hate to live in a Federation with your, "vision" when you have forgotten one of the founding principles of the Federation: Equality.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.22 12:14:00 - [20] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 22/02/2007 12:12:12 It is tiresome in the extreme, to see people attempt to silence debate by the implication of racism. It is a gross over-simplification of my position and that's being generous, to infer that I am an Intaki secessionist infected with the fever of racial superiority. Perhaps I should state it more boldly so that the less bright of you in the Durandal organisation can understand. Your position of no discussion on the quesiton of Intaki secession gives the Federations enemies greater room for manoveure than they need to be given. Your statement that the quesiton has been hijacked by those with different agendas is merely a reflection of your lack of imagination. A lack of imagination highlighted by your absurd allegation of racial grandstanding directed at myself. A smear. And that's the kind of politicking I can see your organisation seems fond of. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"

Zagamesh The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Souvera Corvus Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 22/02/2007 12:12:12 It is tiresome in the extreme, to see people attempt to silence debate by the implication of racism. It is a gross over-simplification of my position and that's being generous, to infer that I am an Intaki secessionist infected with the fever of racial superiority. Perhaps I should state it more boldly so that the less bright of you in the Durandal organisation can understand. Your position of no discussion on the quesiton of Intaki secession gives the Federations enemies greater room for manoveure than they need to be given. Your statement that the quesiton has been hijacked by those with different agendas is merely a reflection of your lack of imagination. A lack of imagination highlighted by your absurd allegation of racial grandstanding directed at myself. A smear. And that's the kind of politicking I can see your organisation seems fond of. If the topic is now one of imagination then I suppose you would fit right in with the rest of the secessionists whom live in the shared delusion, the fantasy, that there even exists an, "Intaki Question" for the rest of the Federation. Indeed I doubt that there even exists a citizen of the Federation who is one hundred percent Intaki to make such a question relevant. Oh, but of course, I forget myself: Originally by: Souvera Corvus I speak as an Intaki and as a citizen of the Federation. Your parents must have been quite the fascists to ensure such racial purity in you. Then again, I'm not surprised in the least. But if living amongst other "racially pure" Intaki such as yourself is of such importance to you then go rot in a Syndicate station for all I care.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.22 15:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 22/02/2007 15:49:43 Fascist now is it? There is no answer to that now is there? To ignore all evidence to the contrary, and still utter sheer idiocy is something all democracy should allow but still seek to weed out. If there is anyone with the vision to look past prejudice free to change the tone of this debate. If Zagamesh is the future we should all despair. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Zagamesh The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.02.22 16:29:00 - [23] Edited by: Zagamesh on 22/02/2007 16:26:05 Originally by: Souvera Corvus Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 22/02/2007 15:49:43 Fascist now is it? There is no answer to that now is there? To ignore all evidence to the contrary, and still utter sheer idiocy is something all democracy should allow but still seek to weed out. If there is anyone with the vision to look past prejudice free to change the tone of this debate. If Zagamesh is the future we should all despair. Please, do not assume M. Corvus that I operate on the principle of hubris. I am not the future as much as any other citizen of the Federation is. I simply seek to protect the Federation. Whether they be from external threats, or the insidius machinations of anarchists and secessionists who believe their own selfish desires take precedence over the greater good of all the citizens of the Federation. Of course, for one such as yourself that may be a hard concept to understand. Although I do agree, perhaps if you don't reply we won't have to listen to the voices of past prejudices in this debate: The voice of racial prejudices.
Milera Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:22:00 - [24] Ah, soon I hope we will see the claims of Gallente decadence put to the test. Yes, the Empires move ever so slowly to war. I wish it could be faster. Yes, I plead with the coming storm to break over us and wash us in a rain of blood. War will make us all stronger; it will purge the weak from us in a blast furnace of missiles and shells, fueled by the blood of the warrior. I ask the author what new ideas can bring? We are up to our eyes in new ideas, yet none of these political blathering can bring anything to us. The only new ideas that can benefit us will be borne forth from the maelstrom of war. Let new leaders be chosen from amongst the survivors; let the old Empires fall, that new ones might take their place; let entire bloodlines be destroyed in the coming war. Then, let there be more war. War will strengthen us. That is, whomever is left. ------------------------------------------------- War, the ultimate test of skill. The ultimate pleasure. The ultimate pain. My EVE blog: http://lifeneweden.blogspot.com/
Souvera Corvus Gallente Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.02.23 11:20:00 - [25] War as a continuation of Federation policy would seem to be something that the Federatioj itself has increasingly little time for. A constant degradation of the capability of the fleet has left the Federation in the position of having to engage it's enemies by proxy in many areas. Quite frankly those proxies have proven to be somewhat lacking. The Cyrene intiatives recent defeat is symptomatic of what I hinted at in my original post. There is a lack of passion associated with the Federation at the present time and given it's legacy of democracy, equality and meritocracy this is disappointing. War as the forge in which the character of the Federation may be formed anew is an interesting proposition. It is true that the extremes of environment encountered in war may test the weakest of those in capsule as well as those planetside but I would like to see such energy directed at worthwhile targets. It is folly in view for the Federation to indulge in what I see as an anachronistic (I fear I may have borrowed that term from a previous poster, rest assured I will not borrow some of his shorter, less considered phrases)policy of keeping the tide from the beach by planting a chair at the high tide mark and saying no further as loud as they can. The enemies within must be disarmed by taking away their self-proclaimed mandate. To do this we need to utilise the strength of the Federation, namely it's democracy. We can then feel free to focus on the enemy who really matters, the perversion of human morality that is the Amarr empire. The Federation is not an Empire. It's high-time those with more racial slurs and smears on the tips of their toungue's realise it before they alienate those in the middle ground even further with their poorly reasoned perjorative. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Aria Moana	Posted - 2007.02.23 15:48:00 - [26] Quote: It is folly in view for the Federation to indulge in what I see as an anachronistic (I fear I may have borrowed that term from a previous poster, rest assured I will not borrow some of his shorter, less considered phrases)policy of keeping the tide from the beach by planting a chair at the high tide mark and saying no further as loud as they can. I dont think you understand the policy at all Souvera. You don't plant a chair in the sand, you build a retaining wall. Then you arm and man the wall with Patriots who love Democracy and the Federation. They may shout "No further" but it will be closely followed by the sound of turret fire and missiles launching. And the comments in parentheses are cute if a bit petty. High handed snobbery is not going to win you any followers here.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.02.25 05:01:00 - [27] It seems that in my appeal for a more creative consideration of Federation policy free of some of the more reactionary, hackneyed approaches we consistently see I have attracted the ire of those who debate is punctured with perjorative and name calling. It's avoidable. It isn't snobbery to feel aggrieved at being called a fascist racial supremacist when all that you aspire to is a Federation that bears some resemblance to that which it is meant to stand for. Comments in parenthesis indicate nothing more than a gramatical device not an attempt at literary or social snobbery. Besides, winning friends is a rare thing when you are asking people to reconsider what patriotism means and asking them to think a little more laterally. The reaction of some to my original post, in my view highlights the need to make it in the first place. Pictures of the heroic defenders of the last bastion of intergalactic democracy may be tear inducing for some but bear little relation to reality. The threat to the Federation comes form within not from without and in that sense maybe my analogy was a little misplaced. In any case, have a care unless that retaining wall becomes more of a prison than a bastion. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"
Decromus	Posted - 2007.02.26 02:31:00 - [28] You speak of what is show on the outside as though to somehow speak to that of another bloodline Souvera. These.. "freedoms" gallenteans boast about are nothing but lies to try and encourage reffugees and exiles to join our nation. Speak the truth my kin, tell them the real truth. Speaking of Democracy is only what is said. When the dark secret behind it is in fact this; the federation is no free democracy. You know of the caste systems within the federation. You must have seen the less fortunate of our race suffer with no help from those with boundless oppurtunities and wealth. I look around us and see my brethern spit upon those whom really need help. This is a sad day and not what our ancestors wanted. I myself are just another Intaki looking after myself in the universe and i disregard the policies of the federation. Freedom is something in the federation that you must buy.It is no givin to you....which is a shame.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.01 06:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 01/03/2007 06:14:01 Ah Decromus, Whilst I share many of the frustrations you describe and am presently extremely disappointed at the current state of Federation politics, I find that nowhere else in Eden does there exist a state that declares itself for democracy and freedom. The Intaki question is one that is closest to my heart but the weaknesses of the Federation are spread across greater ground than that. I had sought not to overplay my heritage or the Intaki question per se. I did this in order to avoid the debate being dragged down by those who seem equipped to debate at a base level.Alas, this has not proven to be possible and it happened anyway and is symptomatic of the lack of thought redolent of the Federation throughout its current travails. To me the question is not and never has been Intaki or Federation and the refusal of the Federation to consider this question at large, indicates to me that they have forgotten that which should lie at the heart of the Federation. Namely, freedom and democracy. The rank notion of 'Patriotism' with it's implied ignorance and intolerance leads people into the vicious cycle of unthinking hate with depressing regularity. The poster from the Durandal organisation, in his haste to label me a fascist, despite all evidence to the contrary is a good example of this. The Federation that I would see, is not the Federation that he and others are currently indulging in intimidatory debate and barrack room politicking to protect. What has the Federation become? What will it be in the future? Two questions that concern me here rather than the Intaki secession. I would be happy to say that if these two questions can be debated with honesty, passion and vision then the lot of the Intaki in the Federation will improve as a consequence. I must state however that I have found some of the responses to this debate to be profoundly discouraging and an indicator of even harder times to come for all in the Federation. The only alternative to democracy is no government at all. The alternatives we have in Eden at this present time are no alternatives for free thinking people at all. "If man does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favourable"


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