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Gaestler
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.04.08 21:40:11 -
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I like the concept in general, but one major exclusion that I would like to see is any kills in w-space systems. Much like the removal of NPC kills in w-space from the API, excluding pvp kills from any automatic database dump is very important for the security of those that live in w-space. |
Sven Viko VIkolander
Friends and Feminists
377
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Posted - 2016.04.08 23:53:56 -
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Intel in EVE is already so widespread and easy to obtain in and out of game that I really don't think the small group of players who want to be invisible from killboards have a compelling argument at this point. It is especially unnecessary now that we have skill injectors. I.e., you can create an endless supply of new alts with high SP totals and blank killboards. (I swear Shadow Cartel makes a new 20m SP BLOPs alt every other day at this point!) I would love to see an open discussion about making the info public
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Tochimo
Backwater Redux Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2016.04.09 06:29:40 -
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I'm glad you could find time for this while I still have 3 open support tickets waiting for responses.
Props to CCP for proving what is more important to them. |
Kaivaja
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.04.09 09:40:34 -
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I think providing intel like this is wrong in Eve. There should NOT be any intel that's absolutely accurate. Public killboards provide much of the same data in searchable form, but you can never be sure if the data is absolutely accurate. Some critical info might be missing. With a dump like this, the accuracy kills any doubt of the fog of war. CCP, please do NOT publish any data this accurate! |
Seri Michele
Knights of the Protectorate
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Posted - 2016.04.09 09:49:15 -
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Love the idea. PvP kills by definition involve another player who could potentially plug their API into zkillboard and ruin your anonymity anyways.
@Eretrie Amberle - this data doesn't include fittings, and killmails don't include the winner's fittings, so what are you talking about? If you get killed, your lack of zkillboard sync doesn't stop the winner from having that KM posted, so...?
EVE is all about players taking this further than just 'playing a game'. Lots of players love KB surfing, combing through the static database dumps CCP gives (gave?) out, and number-crunching all sorts of stuff with their own collected data. That's a great side of EVE. |
Seri Michele
Knights of the Protectorate
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Posted - 2016.04.09 09:54:16 -
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Kaivaja wrote:I think providing intel like this is wrong in Eve. There should NOT be any intel that's absolutely accurate. Public killboards provide much of the same data in searchable form, but you can never be sure if the data is absolutely accurate. Some critical info might be missing. With a dump like this, the accuracy kills any doubt of the fog of war. CCP, please do NOT publish any data this accurate!
Completely un-sarcastically, I'm interested in what you mean by being sure if the data is accurate? Don't the KB sites just pull from API-authed CREST? I could see where a KB site with connections to an in-game group could choose to obfuscate or omit certain data or kills altogether as part of propaganda, but this doesn't make the data unavailable, just absent from that site? |
Seri Michele
Knights of the Protectorate
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Posted - 2016.04.09 11:06:47 -
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Gaestler wrote:I like the concept in general, but one major exclusion that I would like to see is any kills in w-space systems. Much like the removal of NPC kills in w-space from the API, excluding pvp kills from any automatic database dump is very important for the security of those that live in w-space.
Gotta hide those loot pi+¦ata systems! ;) - former JLABS guy |
Kaivaja
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.04.09 13:30:09 -
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Seri Michele wrote:Completely un-sarcastically, I'm interested in what you mean by being sure if the data is accurate? Don't the KB sites just pull from API-authed CREST? This may come as a shock to you, but there are pilots and organizations in Eve that don't post their kills. Vast majority of the PvP players see public killboards as a kind of "high score table of Eve", but not all do. Eve can be played in many different ways and there are many different "ways to win". |
Future Baby
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.09 14:56:19 -
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I really donGÇÖt get it. 1st watchlist is nerfed as it produces too much information and at the same time CCP is dumping 100% accurate kill data? It makes no sense at all. It is a good thing that KB info is being taken up to conversation but IMHO it should go to totally other way around, make the automated kill listing harder - or give easier access for players not to post it. This question was brought up by CCP Greyscale in recon Roundtable in fanfest 2014 and at time there were enough arguments for not to do it. Just because something can be done does not mean it should. At that time it was about 3.4% of all Eve kills that were not posted to killboards.
The real question is how to do the same to the KB data than what was done to watchlist? How about if the kill is automatically posted only if both parties have agreed on automated posting. If one of the parties would not allow automated posting then the kill would have to be posted manually - CREST or API would not pull it. Naturally all manually posted kills could be faked as well :). Now that is Eve!!
Future Baby Alt of.. name CLASSIFIED due intel on the matter |
Masao Kurata
Many Much Mechanics
472
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Posted - 2016.04.09 18:33:31 -
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To be honest I don't believe that 3.4% figure, not remotely. I experimentally didn't post any of my kills for a while and only about 10% of them got uploaded by the victims manually or through api registration. |
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Seri Michele
Knights of the Protectorate
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Posted - 2016.04.09 19:30:33 -
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Edit: removed. |
Unknown Region
Wolves of Liberty
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Posted - 2016.04.09 20:24:44 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:CCP Quant wrote:Masao Kurata wrote:
Excuse me? Some people like to keep certain kills and losses secret, this is a big change in policy.
We excluded characterID for that purpose. If that is still giving away too much info we could move(from corporationID as the lowest identifier) up to allianceID, but yeah this sentiment is the reason kills aren't accessible in bulk through CREST. However, one of the biggest arguments for hiding kills has been to hide fitting, these kill logs don't show fitting. Also, it's only PVP kills where a player character kills a player character. Okay, that was a knee jerk reaction. Upon actually reviewing the columns included and considering the matter, this level of data is.... mostly fine? It is possible in some cases to trivially get the kill hash from the data (when both the victim and killers are in one or two man corporations), and getting a range of possible kill ids based on the timestamp is easy, providing enough information to query public CREST for the full kill details. I imagine that if one were to run a script over the kills querying on the assumption that a CEO killed a CEO, that alone would yield many killmails previously not pushed to any killboards.
Having thought about this for some time, this really should be considered. For the longest time it has been pounded into our heads to keep an active API key for the kill boards. "If you ever want to be recruited by a big PVP group, then you got to have a nice looking killboard!" Or just killboard bragging rights, what not. This gives me my own knee jerk reaction to blindly keep an API killboard without even thinking of the consequence. But historically, for myself, more than anything else, killboard data has been my #1 go to source for intel. Who do people fly with? what do they fit? What is there most active systems that they commonly patrol?
This prompted me to two ations.
1) Delete my own killboard api key!
2) Wonder if maybe CCP should consider a checkmark in the API section to allow your account to be included into such broad sweeping potential intel holes.
P.S.
Never suspected CCP would be the SPAIS! |
Chris Hallen
BGE Prophets Productions
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Posted - 2016.04.11 04:08:47 -
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Things like this are why I really appreciate the development team in this game. Really looking out for what the players are doing and trying to help them. It is really fantastic to see. |
Talon White
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.11 11:25:46 -
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Using a pivot table we (RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation.
The 'Top 30' result
1 Pandemic Horde Inc. 5896 2 Rapid Withdrawal 5168 3 G0P-ST0P 4753 4 The Conference Elite 4289 5 SniggWaffe 3644 6 KarmaFleet 3298 7 Dreddit 3223 8 Blue Republic 2625 9 The Scope 2458 10 Brave Newbies Inc. 2388 11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 12 Red Federation 2145 13 GoonWaffe 2104 14 EVE University 2000 15 Stimulus 1993 16 Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 1959 17 V0LTA 1955 18 Caldari Provisions 1929 19 Addicted To Chaos 1928 20 Sniggerdly 1897 21 The Tuskers 1894 22 Gate Is Red 1888 23 Furnace 1876 24 State Protectorate 1804 25 Brutor Tribe 1729 26 Dirt 'n' Glitter 1687 27 Faceless Ronins 1683 28 Ex Presidents. 1657 29 Beyond Frontier 1657 30 Federal Defense Union 1643
Combined; (Red versus Blue) killed 4770
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Mishra San
505
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Posted - 2016.04.12 00:02:38 -
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the eBig **** contest just got more real(er)..
EDIT:
It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?
Steve Ronuken for CSM XI!
sending virtual hug, virtual hug sent!
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Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
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Posted - 2016.04.12 12:20:19 -
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Talon White wrote:Using a pivot table we ( RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation over the period of Mar 1-Apr 4. The 'Top 30' result1 Pandemic Horde Inc. 5896 2 Rapid Withdrawal 5168 3 G0P-ST0P 4753 4 The Conference Elite 4289 5 SniggWaffe 3644 6 KarmaFleet 3298 7 Dreddit 3223 8 Blue Republic 26259 The Scope 2458 10 Brave Newbies Inc. 2388 11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 12 Red Federation 214513 GoonWaffe 2104 14 EVE University 2000 15 Stimulus 1993 16 Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 1959 17 V0LTA 1955 18 Caldari Provisions 1929 19 Addicted To Chaos 1928 20 Sniggerdly 1897 21 The Tuskers 1894 22 Gate Is Red 1888 23 Furnace 1876 24 State Protectorate 1804 25 Brutor Tribe 1729 26 Dirt 'n' Glitter 1687 27 Faceless Ronins 1683 28 Ex Presidents. 1657 29 Beyond Frontier 1657 30 Federal Defense Union 1643 Combined; (Red versus Blue) killed 4770
It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots...
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Fifth Blade
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2016.04.12 12:24:32 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Talon White wrote:Using a pivot table we ( RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation over the period of Mar 1-Apr 4. The 'Top 30' result1 Pandemic Horde Inc. 5896 2 Rapid Withdrawal 5168 3 G0P-ST0P 4753 4 The Conference Elite 4289 5 SniggWaffe 3644 6 KarmaFleet 3298 7 Dreddit 3223 8 Blue Republic 26259 The Scope 2458 10 Brave Newbies Inc. 2388 11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 12 Red Federation 214513 GoonWaffe 2104 14 EVE University 2000 15 Stimulus 1993 16 Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 1959 17 V0LTA 1955 18 Caldari Provisions 1929 19 Addicted To Chaos 1928 20 Sniggerdly 1897 21 The Tuskers 1894 22 Gate Is Red 1888 23 Furnace 1876 24 State Protectorate 1804 25 Brutor Tribe 1729 26 Dirt 'n' Glitter 1687 27 Faceless Ronins 1683 28 Ex Presidents. 1657 29 Beyond Frontier 1657 30 Federal Defense Union 1643 Combined; (Red versus Blue) killed 4770 It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots...
FWIW we have about 35 Active pilots @ 11th. 100-170 times more active than most of the groups on that list.
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Arkon Olacar
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
553
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Posted - 2016.04.12 12:34:43 -
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Talon White wrote:Using a pivot table we ( RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation over the period of Mar 1-Apr 4. The 'Top 30' result11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 17 V0LTA 1955 23 Furnace 1876
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Willam Crane
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.04.12 12:37:03 -
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Fifth Blade wrote:Aaron Honk wrote:Talon White wrote:Using a pivot table we ( RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation over the period of Mar 1-Apr 4. The 'Top 30' result1 Pandemic Horde Inc. 5896 2 Rapid Withdrawal 5168 3 G0P-ST0P 4753 4 The Conference Elite 4289 5 SniggWaffe 3644 6 KarmaFleet 3298 7 Dreddit 3223 8 Blue Republic 26259 The Scope 2458 10 Brave Newbies Inc. 2388 11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 12 Red Federation 214513 GoonWaffe 2104 14 EVE University 2000 15 Stimulus 1993 16 Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 1959 17 V0LTA 1955 18 Caldari Provisions 1929 19 Addicted To Chaos 1928 20 Sniggerdly 1897 21 The Tuskers 1894 22 Gate Is Red 1888 23 Furnace 1876 24 State Protectorate 1804 25 Brutor Tribe 1729 26 Dirt 'n' Glitter 1687 27 Faceless Ronins 1683 28 Ex Presidents. 1657 29 Beyond Frontier 1657 30 Federal Defense Union 1643 Combined; (Red versus Blue) killed 4770 It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots... FWIW we have about 35 Active pilots @ 11th. 50-170 times more active than most of the groups on that list.
Stop spreading lies. You are slowly dying in Thera. |
Vision Thing Achasse
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.04.12 13:02:46 -
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Aaron Honk wrote:Talon White wrote:Using a pivot table we ( RvB) calculated the total number of kill mails (ACTUAL KILLS) per corporation over the period of Mar 1-Apr 4. The 'Top 30' result1 Pandemic Horde Inc. 5896 2 Rapid Withdrawal 5168 3 G0P-ST0P 4753 4 The Conference Elite 4289 5 SniggWaffe 3644 6 KarmaFleet 3298 7 Dreddit 3223 8 Blue Republic 26259 The Scope 2458 10 Brave Newbies Inc. 2388 11 Jump Drive Appreciation Society 2254 12 Red Federation 214513 GoonWaffe 2104 14 EVE University 2000 15 Stimulus 1993 16 Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. 1959 17 V0LTA 1955 18 Caldari Provisions 1929 19 Addicted To Chaos 1928 20 Sniggerdly 1897 21 The Tuskers 1894 22 Gate Is Red 1888 23 Furnace 1876 24 State Protectorate 1804 25 Brutor Tribe 1729 26 Dirt 'n' Glitter 1687 27 Faceless Ronins 1683 28 Ex Presidents. 1657 29 Beyond Frontier 1657 30 Federal Defense Union 1643 Combined; (Red versus Blue) killed 4770 It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots...
The number of actual kills doesn't matter?
To RvB it's the ONLY thing that matters! We are for the fights - not the stats. Moaar fights!!! |
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Lord MacAdder
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2016.04.12 16:26:04 -
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Vision Thing Achasse wrote:Aaron Honk wrote:
It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots...
The number of actual kills doesn't matter? To RvB it's the ONLY thing that matters! We are for the fights - not the stats. Moaar fights!!!
What he means if you have many active pilots in your corp then you can kill more, whilst the average pilot in your corp might actually kill less than corps further down the list.
P.S RDRAW number 2! In one of our least active months of the year |
Searly1981 Searle
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2016.04.12 16:35:19 -
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Lord MacAdder wrote:Vision Thing Achasse wrote:Aaron Honk wrote:
It doesn't mean anything if you don't weight it with number of active pilots...
The number of actual kills doesn't matter? To RvB it's the ONLY thing that matters! We are for the fights - not the stats. Moaar fights!!! What he means if you have many active pilots in your corp then you can kill more, whilst the average pilot in your corp might actually kill less than corps further down the list. P.S RDRAW number 2! In one of least active months of the year
with 5% of the pilots that are in Pandemic Horde.... |
Alex Zalbazar
Fight The Blob White Legion.
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Posted - 2016.04.12 16:50:40 -
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Would you guys be willing to do this same sort of ranking list, but with weighting for number of active pilots?
Would be a closer measure of individual activity, I think. |
Patrick von Matterhorn
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2016.04.12 22:36:37 -
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Would be fun to se kills per corp member. |
Fifth Blade
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2016.04.12 22:43:59 -
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Alex Zalbazar wrote:Would you guys be willing to do this same sort of ranking list, but with weighting for number of active pilots?
Would be a closer measure of individual activity, I think. Taken from someone else on reddit:
Quote: Hi, I actually did a comparison of Kills vs. Members of the top 15 listed, here are the top ten.
- G0P-ST0P - 4753 kills, 69 members, 68.88 kills per
- Faceless Ronins - 1683 kills, 46 members, 36.59 kills per
- The Conference Elite - 4289 kills, 157 members, 27.31 kills per
- Rapid Withdrawal - 5168 kills, 205 members, 25.21 kills per
- Jump Drive Appreciation Society - 2254 kills, 111 members, 20.31 kills per
- The Tuskers - 1894 kills, 100 members, 18.94 kills per
- Snigwaffe - 3644 kills, 230 members, 15.84 kills per
- Stimulus - 1993 kills, 147 members, 13.56 kills per
- Brave Newbies - 2388 kills, 1647 members, 1.45 kills per
- Dreddit - 3223 kills, 2578 members, 1.25 kills per.
And a description of each:
Quote:
- PIRAT - Highsec wardeccers camping the amarr undock
- Faceless Ronins - N-RAEL Gatecampers
- CODE. - Highsec suicide ganking smartbombing catalysts
- Rapid Withdrawal - (lowsec - Galmil FW) small gang pvp around the Black Rise / Citadel area
- NOG8S - Therabois, (mostly null) small gang pvp, blops
- Tuskers - (lowsec) small gang pvp
- Waffles - Snigg feeder corp, small-mid scale (mostly lowsec) pvp, focus on activity
- Stimulus - Rote Kapelle, (nullsec) small gang pvp
- Brave Newbies - mid-scale fleets as part of the querious thunderdome
- Test Alliance Please Ignore - large null warfare
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Talon White
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.04.18 14:49:57 -
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Looking forward to to next data round up we've (RvB) have hit 4k kills in just 18 days!
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Talon White
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.03 16:48:49 -
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;)
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Talon White
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.11 21:51:56 -
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CCP Quant wrote:Hey guys,
If this turns out successful, and only good things come out of this, we are more likely to move into a direction where we can provide kill data in bulk, be it through CSV dumps like this one (e.g. in the monthly economic report data dump) or through CREST.
It turned out successful, Woohooo! Can we go again with April data?
Please?
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Dreamer Targaryen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.15 22:43:29 -
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I second that: getting the data for april would be nice. =) |
Talon White
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.27 12:16:58 -
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Dreamer Targaryen wrote:I second that: getting the data for april would be nice. =)
Third!
The next kill dump data, please?
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