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Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 - [31] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period ignorance is not an excuse... Sorry officer, i didnt see the red light, i was changing radio stations... TICKET.. same deal, different scenario Originally by: Devil Hanzo There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:53:00 - [32] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period Thing is, you still broke the rules by accepting the account from the "owner", which is still illegal. ----------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:54:00 - [33] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period ccp don't know this. It also is clearly stated that they can ban you for any reason, any time without justifying themselves. Something you agreed to. So what have they done wrong?
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:55:00 - [34] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period You didnt know it was an ebay'd account.. umm tough.. thats the risk you take when you dont buy the account and start from scratch yourself. CCP 1 : OP 0 CCP probably didnt notice it was an ebay'd account till you started the transfer stuff and they noticed the slimy residue that ebay leaves.. so they investigated and banned... your own tough luck you had just received it. CCP 2 : OP 0 CCP > you ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Varalonia Minmatar Darklite inc	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:56:00 - [35] Look at it this way, you lost your WoW account - now surely that's a good thing? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Petwraith ([email protected])
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:56:00 - [36] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period Like I said... you didn't buy this char with isk on the forums so you're out of luck. Had this been a regular purchase etc etc then CCP would've given you your isk back I bet. But from CCP's side of the fence,,, this char just magically got transferred to your account seemingly for no reason. And if this char had been involved in previous ebay crap then basically you look guilty. Whether you are or aren't cant be shown. Next time, get your character with isk on the forums. Then you're covered by CCP.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:57:00 - [37] I need an asprin....owiee. Are tears supposed to be red??? ouch ouch ouch..... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Ralus eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:58:00 - [38] Edited by: Ralus on 15/02/2007 20:54:52 I paragraphed and reformatted for everyone's pleasure Originally by: drifeter I will explain chronologic the events. I am a ex WOW player and i had decide to start play again eve , eve i let it for a short period in beta for a short time for those who know wow the character had tier 2 full and was high warlord , i work for that char a lot. Discusing in wow with friends at some point i was contact by a person who make me a offer to change accounts, i go on site of eve-online and read the EULA i realize that CCP don`t allow to change accounts so i ask to transfer in my account character so i was legaly with EULA. I ask a printscreen of character and i was agreed with that. After transfer end with HELP of CCP and i see all is ok AFTER TRANSFER ,all was ok. But after 5 days i see with consternation my account was banned, the reason was BUY FROM EBAY character. After 100 petitions where i ask what heapen i get a reply when it tell me i break EULA buying from ebay with real money After some time i find that the character was to a leader of lotka voltera (and now i understand the fear of CCP to disturb a powerfoul alliance),and very strange after 5 days of transfer, the guy who own it, post on forum and denounce he`s self because he try sell it on ebay. I don`t know if i am only one in that tranzaction but i am sure CCP can check the route of character until it end in my account. After changes of petitions with CCP ,even CCP recognize my right to hold this character and i was right, with reason at list 2 ppl own this character break EULA(original owner and maybe the buyer) CCP refuse my right to hold this character. IF CCP put this problem like this , why CCP allow transfer without check the legitim of character, if CCP make this verification before transfer to me i wasn`t in this situation to lose my wow character and bann from CCP. I start to think and ask my self about the morality and implication of CCP in the normal course of game . I respect all rules of CCP , and i ask the same thing from them. I ASK a lot ? CCP keep say to me someone brake EULA and i don`t, then why i have to pay for what others do. I tought because i do account according to EULA i am protect. However i can`t defend my self at what heapen, i am not a child and i consider i am a educated person and respect rules of conduct and i open this thread to hear what other players think about this about my situation. I hope someone from CCP read this and realise what ridiculos is this situation and ccp will get right actions . I keep give to CCP all information need to fix this situation. Ty
Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.02.15 20:59:00 - [39] Originally by: drifeter 3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA. This one says it all And explains why you were banned. Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc... ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun
Copine Callmeknau The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:00:00 - [40] Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 15/02/2007 21:00:53 How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: drifeter 3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA. This one says it all And explains why you were banned. Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc... Don't be a ****, he isn't an account sharer, macroer, farmer etc. He's a guy that clearly isn't fluent in English, trying to discipher the english EULA. Went out of his way to do a char transfer as well so he wouldn't breach the EULA by taking the whole account. ----- Sig removed, email [email protected] for more info - Ductoris This sig on hiatus pending reply from mods - Cope
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 - [41] First off to those ragging on the OP for his structure, grammar and what ever else, I am guessing here, but I would lay odds you would have a harder time reading this post if he wrote it in his native tongue. To the OP, thank you for trying to post in English, I am guessing you worked hard and did the best you could. Again, my guess is you wanted to trade a WoW character for a Eve Character, saw that you were not allowed to buy an account, but could have the character(s) from one account transferred to another Eve account. You activated your old Eve account and had the character transferred to it thinking this was within the EULA, only to find you get a ban for the E-Bayed Character transferred to your account... If I am correct, then I fear there are 2 issues, first, you "Bought" the character (and paid a Wow character for it) which is not allowed under the EULA, but not easy to trace. The other issue is with the person you traded with gave you a character that had been sold on E-Bay, flagged and banned... that person scammed you... to make it simple, he sold you a lottery ticket after he had made sure it did not win... in the US, this could be called Fraud if he had lead you to believe it was good and valid character. Noob in training...
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: drifeter 3. You may not transfer any characters whose attributes are, in whole or in part, developed, or which own items, objects or currency obtained or acquired, in violation of the EULA. This one says it all And explains why you were banned. Please stop arguing and complaining.. YOU messed up.. YOU are paying the price. We have no sympathy for accoutn sharers, macroers, farmers etc... Illyria I don't think you've understood the OP's issue from the beginning. And your replys are about as unpleasent as the OP's original post. I think he gets your "hahaha ccp wtfbbq'd you loser now die die die" point. Lay off him?
Topaz Skydiver	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 - [43] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 15/02/2007 21:00:57 The only legal way to buy yourself into EVE is over gametime cards. Like make a new account, buy gametime cards, sell them for isk with your nub char, buy a character for those isk and let the seller transfer him to your account. Then it's within the EULA. If something is fishy, the trade gets reversed, like you get your isk back and the rightfull owner his char. ( To have proof, make sure that all conversations happen ingame via convo or eve mail to have them logged )
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. The problem is not only the ebayed char, but the trade for his WOW account which is as well against EULA
drifeter	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:04:00 - [45] Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:05:00 - [46] Originally by: Grash Freedom Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. The problem is not only the ebayed char, but the trade for his WOW account which is as well against EULA If the OP had bought this char on the forums for ISK then he would've had the char removed and his isk refunded. But he didn't. So he's out of luck. Nuff said.
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Varalonia Look at it this way, you lost your WoW account - now surely that's a good thing? At least this thread had some purpose after all. I don't feel any sympathy for the OP he almost made my eyes bleed and he tried to buy his way into the game. (Plus he played WoW) ---
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:09:00 - [48] just a random question... not directed at the op, but in general when you click on 'I Agree' on game install/char creation do you read the eula? or just click it and off you go? i never read it during install.. but im not a moron to do something out of eve to benefit me in eve... ive slowly read up on it during the almost year my char has been around though, so see what if... before i do... Originally by: Devil Hanzo There is no problem with Jita, there is a problem with everybody going to Jita at the same time...
Kylania Gallente Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:10:00 - [49] Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character Even though you had good intentions and tried to play by the rules as you understood them, you still were violating the EULA by trading out of game "stuff" for an in game EVE Character. I know it sucks for you, but while you didn't know you were doing something wrong, you were. It's fun being a newbie anyway, start a new trial account and enjoy EVE! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| How to Build from a BPO
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:18:00 - [50] Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character Listen,,, you can still 'buy' your way into an upper class character without playing the game. Just follow these simple steps. 1. Buy like 15 90day eve time codes from an official ccp reseller. 2. Post that you have 90day etc for sale at ~350 mil a piece. (they will sell fast) 3. Now you have like 5.2 or more bil. You should be able to pick up a half decent character for that in the sell orders forums and you're covered by the CCP eula. lolz
Grash Freedom Gallente MAZA Solutions	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Kylania Originally by: drifeter Edited by: drifeter on 15/02/2007 21:01:36 Originally by: Copine Callmeknau How was he supposed to know the account was being sold on ebay? It's not as if the account names/char names are listed there. The EULA only talks about real world currency btw, I'm not sure if that would rule out bartering for out of game objects such as EVE char for WoW account. Exactly.. i can said a "friend " transfer me character but i was fair and say about who transfer me that character Even though you had good intentions and tried to play by the rules as you understood them, you still were violating the EULA by trading out of game "stuff" for an in game EVE Character. I know it sucks for you, but while you didn't know you were doing something wrong, you were. It's fun being a newbie anyway, start a new trial account and enjoy EVE! He could have said that, and yes it is a valid reason but, in order CCP to catch him somebody reported him, and in my understanding he was reported by the second party of the trade, so even if he told that it was transfered by a friend the "friend" reported him :(
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.02.15 21:27:00 - [52] Originally by: Maltitol just a random question... not directed at the op, but in general when you click on 'I Agree' on game install/char creation do you read the eula? or just click it and off you go? i never read it during install.. but im not a moron to do something out of eve to benefit me in eve... ive slowly read up on it during the almost year my char has been around though, so see what if... before i do... I've read it when I started my trial, but not once ever since ---
NIkis Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:00:00 - [53] Edited by: NIkis on 15/02/2007 22:03:40 Originally by: Grash Freedom Edited by: Grash Freedom on 15/02/2007 20:41:05 4. ILLEGAL TRANSFER OF GAME ITEMS An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player is found to be: a. Selling in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue. b. Advertising the sale of EVE in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site by using the in-game chat channels, through our forums or by any other venue. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however. warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Buys in-game goods or services for real world currency through an online auction site or any other venue. Seems to me an awful lot of people don't know how to read. You know what 'real world currency' means right ? Now.. if person A ebayed the char to person B, and person B made a friendly trade of this char to person C (in exchange for a WOW account), where's the real world currency come into play except in the A-B transaction ? Why is person C punished for this ? I also think devs don't know how to read their own logs. Learn2read ? Quote: He could have said that, and yes it is a valid reason but, in order CCP to catch him somebody reported him, and in my understanding he was reported by the second party of the trade, so even if he told that it was transfered by a friend the "friend" reported him :( It doesn't matter who reported him, I'm just curious if CCP banned all the accounts of person A and B as i'd wager they got more than one, seeing they only have made a poor justice IMO in baning C's account. But seeing as the dev's dont even know how to read their own logs (as per the last scandal, read in the blogs of the new 'Director of Internal security'), I highly doubt they are acting according to their so called 'zero tolerance policy' .
Desash	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:12:00 - [54] This raises a related issue that if you bought an EVE account, and if you didn't already have a different EVE account active at the time of purchase, you aren't actually a subscriber to CCP until the time you log in with the newly acquired account. This would surely mean that at the point when an account was bought, said buyer would not be under any legal commitment to obey the EULA. Ergo, it could be argued a buyer could not have broken the EULA by buying an account. I don't propose this as an argument for the OP but the question of exactly when you are obliged to honour the EULA remains.
Adrian Kerensky Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:22:00 - [55] Originally by: drifeter The ideea is i don`t know was a ebay account and why ccp don`t ban when was in ebay . I don`t know was buyed from ebay ..period I think you'll find in every legal system in existence that - among other things - ignorance is not an excuse. 'I didn't know the gun was loaded' 'I didn't know knives could kill' 'I didn't know stealing was wrong' 'I didn't know buying MMO items from ebay was wrong' 'I didn't know it was an ebay bought account' etc, etc, etc... No difference in EVE unless I am mistaken. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil 258 bytes over!
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:26:00 - [56] Originally by: Desash This raises a related issue that if you bought an EVE account, and if you didn't already have a different EVE account active at the time of purchase, you aren't actually a subscriber to CCP until the time you log in with the newly acquired account. This would surely mean that at the point when an account was bought, said buyer would not be under any legal commitment to obey the EULA. Ergo, it could be argued a buyer could not have broken the EULA by buying an account. I don't propose this as an argument for the OP but the question of exactly when you are obliged to honour the EULA remains. My guess is that the EULA says somewhere in there that by using the software you imply that you have read and agreed to the EULA. lol.
NIkis Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Adrian Kerensky I think you'll find in every legal system in existence that - among other things - ignorance is not an excuse. 'I didn't know the gun was loaded' 'I didn't know knives could kill' 'I didn't know stealing was wrong' 'I didn't know buying MMO items from ebay was wrong' 'I didn't know it was an ebay bought account' etc, etc, etc... No difference in EVE unless I am mistaken. No difference? i see a big difference This is a 3rd party whose 'fault' is owning the gun/knife after someone else committed a crime with it ;) But american justice is always right huh :)
teeze	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:32:00 - [58] I have sympathy with the OP. It appears you have been the victim of "recieving stolen goods" where it doesn't matter if you knew or not whether the goods were stolen, the authorities have the right to sieze those goods. I think that if the character had not been traded on E-Bay prior to the transfer then there would have been no breach of the EULA, and I think the people who are jumping on this are being premature... "fancy trying WoW.. I am bored, here have my character..." "thats great, and I now have no time to play eve, do you want to try, here have my character...." No trade, just a coincidental returning of a favour. Unfortunately there is no way of checking if a character has been e-bayed in the past, and therefore checking whether or not that character might get banned for something prior. You have been the victim of a scam from the person who traded, and there is little that can be done I am afraid. It is a poor introduction to what is a wonderful game, compounded by a few people's intolerance to those that do not have the same fluent english skills, or the patience to actually read and understand what the situation is. Rest assured the silent majority of this game are nothing like some of the representatives that have appeared in this thread. I hope you still see fit to try to return.
Unvisibility	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:34:00 - [59] Wow at the unessecary hostility in this thread. You guys are doing a great job of advertising EVE, keep it up! On top of the reputation EVE now has for being a game run by and for cheats you now want to add ignorance and intolerance to the list. WTG. Now, the OP clearly stated that he attempted to follow the EULA in this respect. He looked up the rules, he attempted to interpret them and he seems to have done his best to follow them. He's arranged a trade with someone else and had a character transferred to his own account. Whatever the terms of that trade were it seems to me that he obeyed the rules fine there. But CCP instead seem to have given the benefit of the doubt to one of the leaders of LV alliance instead? When this LV leader effectively scammed the OP? Gosh what a surprise... Welcome to EVE... a game run by, and for cheaters and scammers. Welcome to the forums where you get abused because English isn't your first language, despite your best efforts to communicate in English. Some of you attack the OP for attempting to "buy his way ahead" in EVE but isn't that exactly what's condoned every single day by the legal sale of GTC's for ISK? Isn't this kind of meta-gaming perfectly acceptable and protected when people buy and sell characters, protected by CCP no less, in the Sell Orders forum? So why the hostility and double-standards here? Is it that you're only allowed to buy your way ahead with GTC's and purchased characters if you're good at English or an established player with a respected position in a large alliance? And less than 5% of you will have read this far, I guarantee it....
Lord Griffith	Posted - 2007.02.15 22:43:00 - [60] Originally by: teeze I have sympathy with the OP. It appears you have been the victim of "recieving stolen goods" where it doesn't matter if you knew or not whether the goods were stolen, the authorities have the right to sieze those goods. I think that if the character had not been traded on E-Bay prior to the transfer then there would have been no breach of the EULA, and I think the people who are jumping on this are being premature... "fancy trying WoW.. I am bored, here have my character..." "thats great, and I now have no time to play eve, do you want to try, here have my character...." No trade, just a coincidental returning of a favour. Unfortunately there is no way of checking if a character has been e-bayed in the past, and therefore checking whether or not that character might get banned for something prior. You have been the victim of a scam from the person who traded, and there is little that can be done I am afraid. It is a poor introduction to what is a wonderful game, compounded by a few people's intolerance to those that do not have the same fluent english skills, or the patience to actually read and understand what the situation is. Rest assured the silent majority of this game are nothing like some of the representatives that have appeared in this thread. I hope you still see fit to try to return. Originally by: Unvisibility Wow at the unessecary hostility in this thread. You guys are doing a great job of advertising EVE, keep it up! On top of the reputation EVE now has for being a game run by and for cheats you now want to add ignorance and intolerance to the list. WTG. Now, the OP clearly stated that he attempted to follow the EULA in this respect. He looked up the rules, he attempted to interpret them and he seems to have done his best to follow them. He's arranged a trade with someone else and had a character transferred to his own account. Whatever the terms of that trade were it seems to me that he obeyed the rules fine there. But CCP instead seem to have given the benefit of the doubt to one of the leaders of LV alliance instead? When this LV leader effectively scammed the OP? Gosh what a surprise... Welcome to EVE... a game run by, and for cheaters and scammers. Welcome to the forums where you get abused because English isn't your first language, despite your best efforts to communicate in English. Some of you attack the OP for attempting to "buy his way ahead" in EVE but isn't that exactly what's condoned every single day by the legal sale of GTC's for ISK? Isn't this kind of meta-gaming perfectly acceptable and protected when people buy and sell characters, protected by CCP no less, in the Sell Orders forum? So why the hostility and double-standards here? Is it that you're only allowed to buy your way ahead with GTC's and purchased characters if you're good at English or an established player with a respected position in a large alliance? And less than 5% of you will have read this far, I guarantee it.... I've already worked this out for the op guys. =P

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