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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.02.15 20:44:00 -
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*** This is a serious discussion, not meant to offend, flame or otherwise degrade those that may or may not have been victims of the below mentioned acts of violence/aggression. ***
Everyone has heard people say that various frowned up actions are acceptable under certain conditions. For example, telling a lie to save someones life is not the same as defrauding senior citizens. Or, taking the life of someone who had the intention of taking your life compared to strangling complete strangers with computer mice-cables (you know you've thought about it, don't lie).
Now, the question is, with all these "grey areas" in equally serious subjects, is it ever acceptable to rape someone? Discuss.
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pshepherd
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:00:00 -
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Where the hell did that kind of question come from? 
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maCH'EttE
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:03:00 -
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Ok... Seriously... Why? Why would you even ask that?!
 Originally by: Devil Hanzo (ISD)
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: sugark on 15/02/2007 21:02:53
Edited by: sugark on 15/02/2007 21:02:10
Edited by: sugark on 15/02/2007 21:01:50
TBH, I find it very hard not to be offended by this question, but let me give you my opinion anyway:
The examples you mention all have one thing in common - you do something bad to avoid something worse. I seriously have problems imagining a situation where a *****would prevent something worse from happening...maybe in some sick scenario where a psycho demands it so that he doesn¦t kill this old lady next to him or whatever. So...no, it is not acceptable. But neither is murder or being dishonest. It¦s just a matter of bad and worse being weighed up.
edit: was just checking if putting a word in bold really pwns the word filter...
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:13:00 -
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No.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:14:00 -
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Last two people on earth and need to repopulate and she's a nun or other religious person who has a vow of chastity or somesuch...?
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Valrandir
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:18:00 -
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When you do something that would be by itself considered bad, in order to avoid something worse, then it becomes something good.
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Brolly
Caldari
The Department of Justice
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:27:00 -
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WTF?!?!, of course not omfg.
Doing something to/against another human being is BAD, why?, if you need to question it you should probably go and see a shrink and hang around with better company.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:45:00 -
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I can totally think of some "bad" things to do to other human beings that are good. 
Perhaps getting out more might help you find them ?
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Alvar Ursidae
Amarr
Decisive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:48:00 -
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Actually, I can think of one justafiable place and time where *****IMO would be ok. But the target is specific.
A paedophile in prison being gang raped, IMO, that's just fine.
But under NO other circumstances is it, in ANY wya acceptable! Your question, by the subject matter, IS offensive. Next time use your brain, don't abuse it.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.15 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Alassra Eventide on 15/02/2007 21:52:57
I personally think pedo's are a little too restrictive. I personally feel just about any sexual abuser could actually fall under a better classification. Eye for an Eye and all that business.
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DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:30:00 -
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(posting in the tabboo thread of the month)
Eye for an eye, doesn't work. How much better do you feel when, he gets killed, he gets raped or even he gets a death penalty. "Served him right" you might say?
For someone whois against a crime on a human being, I simply cannot see how they would support a crime on another.
Is it ever acceptable to *****someone? No.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:32:00 -
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Wednesday, after 7pm.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 15/02/2007 22:33:39
Originally by: pshepherd
Where the hell did that kind of question come from?
People were talking about plagerism, and someone said, "I don't understand why people are so freaked out about people who copy other people, its not like you're raping them". Made me think, its alright to kill someone to avoid your own death, lie to avoid an unfair punishment, whats that middle ground?
People who are sexually assaulted don't die, making it less severe than death, but are still permenantly hurt/scarred by the experience, making it worse than lying.
Another good example is kidnapping, its illegal for a citizen to do it, but how is kidnapping your neighbour for stealing from you different from the cops "kidnapping" (arresting) him for stealing from you?
Makes one think on how quickly law and order would disappear when people stopped listening....
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I personally think pedo's are a little too restrictive. I personally feel just about any sexual abuser could actually fall under a better classification. Eye for an Eye and all that business.
Such is my point, there are always exceptions, but are you no better than them for wishing them sexual harm, or sexually harming them yourself? 
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Bosie
Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
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Ikvar
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:45:00 -
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You might have to kill to save your own or someone else's life.
You might have to steal to feed yourself when you're starving.
You might have to lie to stop someone from getting hurt.
I don't think there's ever going to be a case of blue balls bad enough to justify *****though.
Originally by: Rekindle
I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
People who are sexually assaulted don't die, making it less severe than death, but are still permenantly hurt/scarred by the experience, making it worse than lying.
No, there are worse things than death. When you die, it¦s over. When something happens to you that permanently hurts/scarrs you, it¦s not. Living on can be the worst case scenario.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:50:00 -
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ok, so.. I know it changes it somewhat but.. imagine you and a woman/man (whichever is your preference, i'm not THAT sick) have been kidnapped along with an old woman and a young child. Your kidnapper says "If you *****the woman/man then I will shoot the old woman, if you don't then I will shoot the kid"
What do you do?!
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
ok, so.. I know it changes it somewhat but.. imagine you and a woman/man (whichever is your preference, i'm not THAT sick) have been kidnapped along with an old woman and a young child. Your kidnapper says "If you *****the woman/man then I will shoot the old woman, if you don't then I will shoot the kid"
What do you do?!
Soil yourself and throw it at him.
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Iesha Macabre
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Posted - 2007.02.15 22:58:00 -
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you don't do anything. if the kidnapper kills the other people that was their choice and their responsibility, not yours. if you did *****the man/woman though, even if you're being threatened or ordered, it would be your action and your responsibility.
you'd have no guarentee the kidnapper couldn't *****and kill everyone at gunpoint regardless of your actions anyway...and if they're sick enough to present that scenario to you then people probably wouldn't come out of it alive anyway...
why am I having this conversation 
no it's not acceptable.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2007.02.15 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
Wednesday, after 7pm.
ew, dude....
If someone threatened to do something worse to one or more people unless you commit the said act on someone - then it'd be ok.
Of course, once the people were safe, i'd be desparate to explain teh situation to my.... 'victim' :-S
eek - this feels weird talking about this....
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Velsharoon
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:18:00 -
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Imagine at war with an enemy...you need to goad them into a fight, sieze the leaders daughter and *****her they engage...
If they hadnt engaged at that moment they would have slaughtered 10m of your countries citizens in a catastrophic war. You engaged their forces and killed 1m
That *****is justified. If your a utilitarian.
Im not btw so :P
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:38:00 -
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WTF?
Please, give me an everyday situation where *****is justifiable.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:47:00 -
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i am wrried about why you are asking this.
obviously there are absurd circumstances in which it would be acceptable (for example a maniac with a nuke says if you don't *****someone he will destroy the world) however sinse such a situation is never going to arise i find this thread sickening. i hope this gets locked.
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Fierce Deity
Gallente
Hera Star
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:48:00 -
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never.
if someone is sick enough to give you that ultimatum there is no reason he wont kill all of you anyways.
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Rick Thwaites
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.02.16 00:54:00 -
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University paper due - in a day?
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 16/02/2007 01:03:27
hrrrmmm denying the biological imperitive. We are but one step removed from 'the beast' (could argue the beast within etc) and being guided by instinct alone which usuaally does not involve dates bad small talk...
in our society of course, the answer is no, but one could argue that if the population were dying or survival was actually a factor in our lives and we did not all live in cosy sheltered lives, had low life spans and high child mortality, minimal law enforcement, could be argued our instinct will takeover regardless of the morality.
it could also technically in a sci-fi future not be *****as we know it, more forced insemination (by surgery) if birth rates were so low the population was dying thinking children of men style.
could also reverse the arguement, if a woman were to subvert (by any means, get them drunk for eg) someone (ie say they were on the pill) and not be and then get pregnant, there is no rights protecting the father, its also technically 'rape' imo.
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Kehmor
Caldari
PAK
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Posted - 2007.02.16 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 16/02/2007 01:03:27
hrrrmmm denying the biological imperitive. We are but one step removed from 'the beast' (could argue the beast within etc) and being guided by instinct alone which usuaally does not involve dates bad small talk...
in our society of course, the answer is no, but one could argue that if the population were dying or survival was actually a factor in our lives and we did not all live in cosy sheltered lives, had low life spans and high child mortality, minimal law enforcement, could be argued our instinct will takeover regardless of the morality.
it could also technically in a sci-fi future not be *****as we know it, more forced insemination (by surgery) if birth rates were so low the population was dying thinking children of men style.
could also reverse the arguement, if a woman were to subvert (by any means, get them drunk for eg) someone (ie say they were on the pill) and not be and then get pregnant, there is no rights protecting the father, its also technically 'rape' imo.
british law classifies *****as a male on female act so nope.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 01:26:00 -
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I can think of no realistic situation where raping someone could prevent a worse evil from occuring.
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
You might have to kill to save your own or someone else's life.
You might have to steal to feed yourself when you're starving.
You might have to lie to stop someone from getting hurt.
I don't think there's ever going to be a case of blue balls bad enough to justify *****though.
agree
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