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Dirtbag Monika	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:13:00 - [1] As correctly stated with a faction setup on a Hulk it is more than possible to tank 3 x BS sized rats (Guristas in my case) indefinately. How ever I have come to realise something strange. I can tank 3 of the Raven type rats up which have a much higher value but cannot seem to tank the Guristas Obliterators (iirc) these are the low value 800kers which look like scorps. I find this particularly odd as you'd think that 1.4mil BS rats would do more damage. OK so fair enough that's just the way it is but I'd like some advice on any possible way to improve my setup using rigs or any other way. My Setup 3 x Strip miner II 1 x Gistii A-type small shield booster 1 x Gist B-Type Ballistic 1 x Gist B-Type Thermal 1 x Eutectic 2 x mining upgrades My Engineering skills aren't amazing but I'm not entirely sure if training them further would allow me to permatank the Oblitorators, how ever is anyone disagrees please say. The exact spawn consisted of 3 x Oblitorator and some cruisers/BC. I don't want to carry combat drones as I'd rather maximise mining capacity. Engineering skills Shield Comp lvl 3 Shield Emissions lvl 2 Shield Management lvl 3 Shield op lvl 4 shield upgrades lvl 3 tac shield manip lvl 4 Please only ppl with experience of hulk and solo mining reply. many regards
Dammar Amarr Ephorate	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:24:00 - [2] Well can't offer much as I refuse to pay 500m for a mining ship even though I have a completely maxed out miner alt.. However, it just struck me that exhumers may be a good choice to use those shield resist rigs on....or 1 at least if the other is going to be a mining drone rig. So just find out which of your resists (kin or therm) is the weak link, and patch it.
FuzzBuzz Caldari Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:42:00 - [3] what i was thinking about was getting rid of the eutectic cap recharge, and putting a shield boost amp in, and put cap recharge rigs in pwnage :D
Dirtbag Monika	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:49:00 - [4] Originally by: Dammar Well can't offer much as I refuse to pay 500m for a mining ship even though I have a completely maxed out miner alt.. However, it just struck me that exhumers may be a good choice to use those shield resist rigs on....or 1 at least if the other is going to be a mining drone rig. So just find out which of your resists (kin or therm) is the weak link, and patch it. The thing is that I get 83.97% Kinetic and 78.63% Thermal resistences, these are the damage types guristas do. So there isn't much of a weak link and I can tank ANY BS spawn appart from the Oblitorator one! Also the rigs do increase sig radius so wouldn't BS weapons do more harm than before. If anyone has experience of using rigs I would be interested but I'll be bugered if I'll be the guiney pig ;D. p.s Not so sure if quick fit is calculating rig bonus's properly yet as I got some wierd results with another fitting. cheers
Dirtbag Monika	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:50:00 - [5] Edited by: Dirtbag Monika on 16/02/2007 15:48:11 Originally by: FuzzBuzz what i was thinking about was getting rid of the eutectic cap recharge, and putting a shield boost amp in, and put cap recharge rigs in pwnage :D edited coz I didn't read what you wrote properly :p might be a good idea. Does anyone know if quickfit is calculating rigs correctly?
MeatHelmetz	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:06:00 - [6] Originally by: FuzzBuzz what i was thinking about was getting rid of the eutectic cap recharge, and putting a shield boost amp in, and put cap recharge rigs in pwnage :D bugger it doesn't fit :(
Dammar Amarr Ephorate	Posted - 2007.02.16 16:57:00 - [7] Edited by: Dammar on 16/02/2007 16:54:42 Guristas rat stats As you can see, there's nothing really special about the rats you named. (unless the DB is out of date) It's mostly kinetic and there are higher ones that do even more kinetic. Also, i used to think that 80% resist was 'high' too. I have since moved the bar up to 90% with all the changes that have happened to eve. There is new rats, tougher rats, smarter rats(ewar). Something to ponder anyway heh. edit: clickafied url
Dirtbag Monika	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:10:00 - [8] right I was wrong about which rat I was having trouble with it was not oblitorator it was the Dismantler (Scorp) one. As you can see from the above link they actually do way less damage than most of the other BS (which I can tank fine). Its all very confusing allthough maybe the dismantler uses rails and as I present a stationary taret they get good hits. Maybe the raven type rats use mostly torp or cruise which do less damage due to sig radius? Still the question remains should I fit the rigs to get more resistences and sacrifice my sig radius which will increase roughly from 150m to 180m. Any mathmaticians out there who can figure this out? cheers
Egil Kolsto Caldari Collwood Collective	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Egil Kolsto on 16/02/2007 17:39:33 Upgrade to Gist X Th/Kin and DG Invulnv? If your resists are too low...thats about all you can do. I have never been in 0.0, so I can't really comment on what works or not, but slapping 150M hardeners onto a Hulk is hardly over-priced if you ask me. Edit: From the orbit range I'd suggest the ship you have more problem with is using Cruise, is the Hulk small enough that you get a decent bonus versus Torps? I am only flying Covetor on my alt and he is never being shot at.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:44:00 - [10] Where do you people mine with such kit? o.o And can I visit? Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Dammar Amarr Ephorate	Posted - 2007.02.16 17:54:00 - [11] Edited by: Dammar on 16/02/2007 17:53:33 Originally by: Dirtbag Monika right I was wrong about which rat I was having trouble with it was not oblitorator it was the Dismantler (Scorp) one. As you can see from the above link they actually do way less damage than most of the other BS (which I can tank fine). Its all very confusing allthough maybe the dismantler uses rails and as I present a stationary taret they get good hits. Maybe the raven type rats use mostly torp or cruise which do less damage due to sig radius? Still the question remains should I fit the rigs to get more resistences and sacrifice my sig radius which will increase roughly from 150m to 180m. Any mathmaticians out there who can figure this out? cheers ahh well I see dismantler uses cruise rather than torps...so maybe is a sig radius issue. Maybe go pick up a set of Halo implants? edit: also if it really is your sig rad causing the problem, then absolutely you DO NOT want rigs that increase it. Also that rat doesn't use rails, it's Wrath cruise missles only.
Bitter ice	Posted - 2007.02.19 11:14:00 - [12] Lose mining upgrades and fit DMG control II and PDS II to lows...Change Eutectic for fraction or T2 shild boost amp and stagger miners for 45 sec for cap isues.I tanked 3*1.5mil Angel BS with 2 Domination Ivuli fields....
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Dirtbag Monika As correctly stated with a faction setup on a Hulk it is more than possible to tank 3 x BS sized rats (Guristas in my case) indefinately. How ever I have come to realise something strange. I can tank 3 of the Raven type rats up which have a much higher value but cannot seem to tank the Guristas Obliterators (iirc) these are the low value 800kers which look like scorps. I find this particularly odd as you'd think that 1.4mil BS rats would do more damage. OK so fair enough that's just the way it is but I'd like some advice on any possible way to improve my setup using rigs or any other way. My Setup 3 x Strip miner II 1 x Gistii A-type small shield booster 1 x Gist B-Type Ballistic 1 x Gist B-Type Thermal 1 x Eutectic 2 x mining upgrades My Engineering skills aren't amazing but I'm not entirely sure if training them further would allow me to permatank the Oblitorators, how ever is anyone disagrees please say. The exact spawn consisted of 3 x Oblitorator and some cruisers/BC. I don't want to carry combat drones as I'd rather maximise mining capacity. Engineering skills Shield Comp lvl 3 Shield Emissions lvl 2 Shield Management lvl 3 Shield op lvl 4 shield upgrades lvl 3 tac shield manip lvl 4 Please only ppl with experience of hulk and solo mining reply. many regards Yeah it seems weird, but the rat bounty value does not correlate exactly with their damage potential; 1.55M Conquistadors do quite a bit less than 1.4M Destroyers. The Obliterators (650k bounty Ravens BTW) do quite a lot of damage, much more than the 800k Scorp Dismantlers which fire cruises. Your best bet is to clear the spawn; the next one will probably have lower damage potential.
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:40:00 - [14] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 19/02/2007 12:37:56 I think it's related to tracking. I rat in an Ishkur, a T2 frig these same rats and i can tell you that the toughest are not the 1.8 or 1.7 ones, but the 500k and 650k ones. Because these use dual 250mm rails that can and will track better. If i am a stationary target with these rats i get wreckings of 50-80 quite often. A Hulk is however a bigger target so i would expect you're problems to be 800k-950k. Stationary i can tank a triple 1.8 spawn all day, but i can't tank a double 500k spawn. PS: Dismantler is not the only one to use Cruise, others do too. -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)

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