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Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:32:00 - [1] It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:30:32 Originally by: Shadowsword It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? You win the 'retard of the week' award
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:35:00 - [3] i read through like 17 pages, and still havent seen anyone of note from D2 deny the kill was anything but legit.. just lots of random know it all trying to get ppl crying again _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Coasterbrian Loss of Sanity	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:35:00 - [4] So it's not okay to accuse the GMs of helping BoD, but it is okay to accuse BoD of using DoS attacks? ---------- Loss of Sanity.
Jake Noble Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:30:32 Originally by: Shadowsword It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? You win the 'retard of the week' award Actually sir, I think you do. I doubt you are even involved in this conflict.
gazarsgo Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:36:00 - [6] im sure D2 wont issue a statement until they, y'know, figure out WTF happened.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Coasterbrian So it's not okay to accuse the GMs of helping BoD, but it is okay to accuse BoD of using DoS attacks? It wouldn't be the first time, they already used that trick on our TS server, back in the Bob-FA war... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Atreus Minmatarius Fatalix Inc. Schism.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:37:00 - [8] Originally by: thoth foc i read through like 17 pages, and still havent seen anyone of note from D2 deny the kill was anything but legit.. just lots of random know it all trying to get ppl crying again in the main thread there are couple of posts by D2 ppl saying the titan was in pos for hours and the guy had to log off due to RL...
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Jake Noble Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:30:32 Originally by: Shadowsword It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? You win the 'retard of the week' award Actually sir, I think you do. I doubt you are even involved in this conflict. Involved or not, accusing people of DDoS, hacking, exploiting etc is retarded.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Atreus Minmatarius Originally by: thoth foc i read through like 17 pages, and still havent seen anyone of note from D2 deny the kill was anything but legit.. just lots of random know it all trying to get ppl crying again in the main thread there are couple of posts by D2 ppl saying the titan was in pos for hours and the guy had to log off due to RL... i saw them.. stating facts != denial _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Raketefrau Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Involved or not, accusing people of DDoS, hacking, exploiting etc is retarded. Especially if they're doing it. How retarded.
Grimeh Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: Coasterbrian So it's not okay to accuse the GMs of helping BoD, but it is okay to accuse BoD of using DoS attacks? It wouldn't be the first time, they already used that trick on our TS server, back in the Bob-FA war... proof or well you know the rest...
Plaetean Blood Sweat and Tears	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:40:00 - [13] This doesn't need another thread. -----
Macro KillerCEO Macro KillerZ	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Jake Noble Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:30:32 Originally by: Shadowsword It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? You win the 'retard of the week' award Actually sir, I think you do. I doubt you are even involved in this conflict. Involved or not, accusing people of DDoS, hacking, exploiting etc is retarded. Really? hmm i wonder what i am going to do with the logs i have then And btw stop using the retard word, i have a familly member that nature punished him with the curse, and to tell you the truth i am going to petition you for racism
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Macro KillerCEO Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Jake Noble Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 16/02/2007 20:30:32 Originally by: Shadowsword It's not because there is a GM in local that he was necessarily in on it. All the GM apparently did was congratulating Bob over the kill, nothing proves that, at this moment, he was aware of the way the titan was killed. It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... I'm pretty sure BoB used DoS attacks or the wreck exploit to kill the D2 titan, and that CYVOK's was killed in another DoS attack, but that CCP has nothing to do with it, so keep your fingers pointed at the right target, ok? You win the 'retard of the week' award Actually sir, I think you do. I doubt you are even involved in this conflict. Involved or not, accusing people of DDoS, hacking, exploiting etc is retarded. Really? hmm i wonder what i am going to do with the logs i have then And btw stop using the retard word, i have a familly member that nature punished him with the curse, and to tell you the truth i am going to petition you for racism Racism? do you even know what that means? And no, i won't stop using certain words because some people don't like it, i'm not even talking about mental retardation. Try using the dictionary. About the logs, try sending them to a GM if you think exploiting is going on.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Shadowsword It's not the first time Bob use DoS attacks, and the IP of the Titan pilot could probably be obtained without CCP intervention (via TS or some forum, at least). Which would be an extremely stupid thing for CCP to do, given the way the previous incident damaged their credibility... Where are your packetlogs? Or anything that supports the (D)DOS accusation you just made. -- .sig apathy ftw
Klaaswitz	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:47:00 - [17] Quote: And btw stop using the retard word, i have a familly member that nature punished him with the curse, and to tell you the truth i am going to petition you for racism So tell me, what has being a retard to do with races? :confused:
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Akkarin Pagan on 16/02/2007 20:44:42 Edited by: Akkarin Pagan on 16/02/2007 20:44:27 Last I checked, the guy in local was Database Admin not Game Master but hey. IBTL And since when was retard a race? It's a mental condition! Akkarin EDIT: Damn you guys are fast! <3 - Immy
largoo Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 - [19] never react from CCP same for that. It's not normal. video sheat bob
largoo Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:50:00 - [20] never react from CCP same for that. It's not normal. video sheat bob
Xeno Metamorph Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:53:00 - [21] Edited by: Xeno Metamorph on 16/02/2007 20:49:21 I'm seeing pyramids :shock: Allbeit, stop pointing fingers at CCP, but at the same time, Stop pointing fingers at BoB + Friends. I wasn't involved but through various posts and reading what I can seem to get hold of, the Titan was in a PoS - Logged due to RL issues, was probed and killed. The real issue should be, how did the titan remain in space long enough to be destroyed ? If its true that attacking containers can initiate an agro timer then surely this could be an exploit or using the game mechanics to an unfair advantage ? But I hardly find that a BoB member, would DoS attack another Eve Player. Hell, my router logs up more than 500 entries a day and I havent annoyed anyone ! ( that i know of ! ). That and to effectively take a person offline particulary on a connection that would be typically 2mb these days ( 8mb in the uk? ) would require minimum 6x lines or a dedicated host to initate the Dos (Anyone clarify this, rough estimations here and my knowledge is at best Vague anyway). So ask yourself this, do you know enough about DoS attacks to accuse said party? Or do you know of DoS preventions or what would be more likely in this case, DDoS preventions. On top of this, if the player has stated that his intentions to log! This surely rules out 'hacking' entirely?
Macro KillerCEO Macro KillerZ	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Macro KillerCEO on 16/02/2007 20:49:43 Racism doesn't mean against a race only( maybe like 50 years ago, not anymore) homosexual,mental,psysical,race all in the same basket Its offending nomatter what, check EULA and ToS, and i am offended by the constant use of the certain word
Xeno Metamorph Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:53:00 - [23] Edited by: Xeno Metamorph on 16/02/2007 20:49:21 I'm seeing pyramids :shock: Allbeit, stop pointing fingers at CCP, but at the same time, Stop pointing fingers at BoB + Friends. I wasn't involved but through various posts and reading what I can seem to get hold of, the Titan was in a PoS - Logged due to RL issues, was probed and killed. The real issue should be, how did the titan remain in space long enough to be destroyed ? If its true that attacking containers can initiate an agro timer then surely this could be an exploit or using the game mechanics to an unfair advantage ? But I hardly find that a BoB member, would DoS attack another Eve Player. Hell, my router logs up more than 500 entries a day and I havent annoyed anyone ! ( that i know of ! ). That and to effectively take a person offline particulary on a connection that would be typically 2mb these days ( 8mb in the uk? ) would require minimum 6x lines or a dedicated host to initate the Dos (Anyone clarify this, rough estimations here and my knowledge is at best Vague anyway). So ask yourself this, do you know enough about DoS attacks to accuse said party? Or do you know of DoS preventions or what would be more likely in this case, DDoS preventions. On top of this, if the player has stated that his intentions to log! This surely rules out 'hacking' entirely?
Macro KillerCEO Macro KillerZ	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:53:00 - [24] Edited by: Macro KillerCEO on 16/02/2007 20:49:43 Racism doesn't mean against a race only( maybe like 50 years ago, not anymore) homosexual,mental,psysical,race all in the same basket Its offending nomatter what, check EULA and ToS, and i am offended by the constant use of the certain word
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 16/02/2007 20:51:44 Originally by: Akkarin Pagan And since when was retard a race? Since the Amatar declared themselves a faction Originally by: Macro KillerCEO Edited by: Macro KillerCEO on 16/02/2007 20:49:43 Racism doesn't mean against a race only( maybe like 50 years ago, not anymore) homosexual,mental,psysical,race all in the same basket Its offending nomatter what, check EULA and ToS, and i am offended by the constant use of the certain word STFU PLZ K THNX BYE Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.02.16 20:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 16/02/2007 20:51:44 Originally by: Akkarin Pagan And since when was retard a race? Since the Amatar declared themselves a faction Originally by: Macro KillerCEO Edited by: Macro KillerCEO on 16/02/2007 20:49:43 Racism doesn't mean against a race only( maybe like 50 years ago, not anymore) homosexual,mental,psysical,race all in the same basket Its offending nomatter what, check EULA and ToS, and i am offended by the constant use of the certain word STFU PLZ K THNX BYE Never again are you allowed to whine about not training Combat Skills
Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:01:00 - [27] i heard BoB DoS'd Archduke Franz Ferdinands car so that they could assasinate him too. in fact, if you look back to every bad thing in history. i'm sure BoB were involved, they have never ever done anything fairly. (oh, btw. before you ask for proof, i have none. funny that) - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:01:00 - [28] i heard BoB DoS'd Archduke Franz Ferdinands car so that they could assasinate him too. in fact, if you look back to every bad thing in history. i'm sure BoB were involved, they have never ever done anything fairly. (oh, btw. before you ask for proof, i have none. funny that) - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Klaaswitz	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Macro KillerCEO Edited by: Macro KillerCEO on 16/02/2007 20:49:43 Racism doesn't mean against a race only( maybe like 50 years ago, not anymore) homosexual,mental,psysical,race all in the same basket Its offending nomatter what, check EULA and ToS, and i am offended by the constant use of the certain word You are wrong. And easily offended. I've got someone with the same mental condition in my family and I don't really feel offended. It's about intention, feeling offended by literal meanings of words and sentences is just political correct bull****tery to make yourself feel better then others.
Draco Romuli Caldari Independent Fleet O X I D E	Posted - 2007.02.16 21:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Xeno Metamorph That and to effectively take a person offline particulary on a connection that would be typically 2mb these days ( 8mb in the uk? ) would require minimum 6x lines or a dedicated host to initate the Dos . DoS includes a lot of things. Flooding is only one of them. For example, there's a bug in some routers that can knock everyone connected to it off line until you do a hard reset (no, I won't say which ones)...it's a DoS, but you can pull it off over dial-up. If you know the guy's IP address, you can fingerprint him ahead of time so that your exploit'll be ready to go. If you're a sysadmin, getting enough bandwidth to knock down a home connection is trivial. We routinely have access to T1-T3 lines (at least), and we're also the ones who watch the bandwidth usage on those. Flooding wouldn't be too hard in that case. There's also botnets, which are a whole other ball of wax. But if I were the type to use DDoS to support my corp, I'd just ask some of my corpmates to let me install the bot on some of their machines. Boom, instant DDoS. This is not a post for or against BoB or any corporation. It's just talking about hacking. ------------ "The whole principle of naval fighting is to be free to go anywhere with every blasted thing the Navy possesses." - Capt. Grenfeld of Battlefleet Gothic

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