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Zirator
Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:01:00 -
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Ok last few weeks we've seen and read quite a lot of stuff on the forums about stuff happening in the game.
-The way D2 lost their titan. -The way LV lost their titan that was being build. -D2 using eve-online.de to trace ip's to find spies. -The various ways RAGOON uses their numbers to crash nodes. -The T20 incident
etc. etc. I think some of you might be able to add more crap to this list.
And allthough stuff like this doesn't affect my day to day EVE-experience, I think it's sad to see what this game has come too. I started playing in september 2005 so that makes me a new player to many of the vets out there. But when I started playing I didn't see stuff like this in the game. Battles were won and lost just by using the games. Of course people were playing the grey even back then. But I never heard of it.
The current state of the game is that playing the grey ( metagaming ) is considered a vallid tactic by all of the major alliances in EVE. And seeing this happen is for some reason taking away the fun in EVE for me. ( No I'm not leaving so you can't have my stuff ) I used to read battlereports about glorious battles, and impressive schemes being pulled of. But now there is only this lame gameplay.
I would like to here everyones opinion about this. And allthough this will probable be futille, don't turn this into a BoB vs anti BoB thread.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 17/02/2007 10:59:20 The bigger the stakes in the game become, the lower people will be willing to go to achieve their goals.
It is CCP that has been driving the game in this direction by introducing more and more expensive things to fight over.
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Streber
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:13:00 -
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Goonswarm brought this "no respect, no honour, no fairness" attitude to the game, and it looks like it is here to stay.
In the old days, people cared too much about reputations and respect to pull **** like this. The "Goonswarm" attitude has now spread.
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:15:00 -
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there is one entity that made this disease spread in eve by using it excessively and bragging about it. making it seem like you have to do it to win. the entity is of course the bob dirt.
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Lori Carlyle
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:18:00 -
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CCP have done this, Reason..
They can't start punishing people for things they have overlooked in the past. ------------------------------------------
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Spoon1
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:22:00 -
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Zeoliter
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zirator Ok last few weeks we've seen and read quite a lot of stuff on the forums about stuff happening in the game.
-The way D2 lost their titan. -The way LV lost their titan that was being build. -D2 using eve-online.de to trace ip's to find spies. -The various ways RAGOON uses their numbers to crash nodes. -The T20 incident
Check it out. No grey tactics listed from LV. Honour. Respect.
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Aeleva
Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:31:00 -
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You cant blame CCP for what the players do. They have stated many times that they dont want to interfere in EVE or change the way it develops. The t20 incident was unfortunate but not too significant. CCP wont come and remove BOB or D2 or LV or anyone for whatever they do, as long as it works within the game mechanics. Out of game tactics will occur for a long time, but then we all use things like teamspeak and forums, out of game communications that can give an advantage.
Personally i dont feel any of what has happened is going to "ruin" EVE. Anyone saying it will do is scaremongering. This is the most exciting time for EVE so far, EVE war I is really a bad name, i would say EVE: The Capital Wars would be more appropriate.
Anyway i may have rambled a bit, but i still do not see eve being destroyed/ruined/spoilt by the events of the last few weeks.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aeleva You cant blame CCP for what the players do. They have stated many times that they dont want to interfere in EVE or change the way it develops. The t20 incident was unfortunate but not too significant. CCP wont come and remove BOB or D2 or LV or anyone for whatever they do, as long as it works within the game mechanics. Out of game tactics will occur for a long time, but then we all use things like teamspeak and forums, out of game communications that can give an advantage.
You can blame CCP for developing the game in such a way that the potential rewards gained by metagaming far outweigh the potential rewards, if you were to play the game the way it was designed for.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:35:00 -
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It is ruining the game. Metagaming and abusing bugs and exploits are the norm now. We've seen the first incidents of hacking and DDOS attacks as well. I predict that within a year, DDOSsing your enemies TS will be commonplace, every alliance has a few people who live in far away places where there is no law against it or punishment. Downhill spiral, and it will only get worse.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
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Kalthune Hunter
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kalthune Hunter on 17/02/2007 11:36:17 The IAC/AAA/TCF v ISS combatzone seems to be low on exploiters. Most complaints there seem to be about smacktalk. (and these forums make it look like a commune. Just look at some of the posts above Zeoliter)
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TrippyX
Caldari The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: TrippyX on 17/02/2007 11:38:55
Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Zirator Ok last few weeks we've seen and read quite a lot of stuff on the forums about stuff happening in the game.
-The way D2 lost their titan. -The way LV lost their titan that was being build. -D2 using eve-online.de to trace ip's to find spies. -The various ways RAGOON uses their numbers to crash nodes. -The T20 incident
Check it out. No grey tactics listed from LV. Honour. Respect.
the fact that Goon has to bring so many (which in return crashes the node) has to do with LV. IF LV only had 100 people defending, Goon wouldn't have to bring couple hundred people.
However i know just as well that neither side would bring less numbers just because the enemy has low numbers. You always go with whatever you can get. So if LV can get 400 people to defend their space they'll take 400 people. Same for Goon, if Goon can get 600 to attack they take 600.
Crashing nodes with big numbers is not the fault of either side, it's the fault of CCP for allowing such big fleets on servers that can't handle it.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Zirator Ok last few weeks we've seen and read quite a lot of stuff on the forums about stuff happening in the game.
-The way D2 lost their titan. -The way LV lost their titan that was being build. -D2 using eve-online.de to trace ip's to find spies. -The various ways RAGOON uses their numbers to crash nodes. -The T20 incident
Check it out. No grey tactics listed from LV. Honour. Respect.
Not many people know about how you were shooting CA through POS shields.
honor and respect... indeed. One of your Sigs contained inappropriate material for the eve-o forums, please email [email protected] for a explination. - hutch Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:55:00 -
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/signed
i just wanna play
maybe these monster capitals are just too big / out of proportion. maybe a titan, with a 30% bonus (titan IV) to the entire fleet and the ability to kill 200+ ships at once while proven invincible in real battle so far, calls for these measures...
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:56:00 -
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These stakes are too high for me.
You people who think this fun: Have a go at it, tear each other apart as hard as you can, as dirty as you can, with any means you can; after all, all is fair in love and war.
But you'll excuse me if I sit in my little space of this universe and turn down the volume on the newscast while I do my own little thing having a beer or two.
Godspeed and fly far.
Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 11:58:00 -
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Some sides are undoubtedly more 'dirty' than others, and I don't know of many exploits perpetrated by LV to be honest. But that is really irrelevant. As long as a few of the succesful major powers continue to operate the way they do, this game will continue to go downhill. Honor and integrity have been replaced by spies and abusing game mechanics to its fullest extent. There is no desire for fighting left, only for winning and humiliating your opponent.
I don't want to play a game where I am required to be paranoid every minute, and where I see those prosper that are willing to bend and break the rules of the game over those who just wanna have a little fun and excitement.
I have cancelled my accounts, the last will expire April 22nd, and I don't see myself returning. Too many people play this game who are willing to take it one or several steps too far and CCP is ignoring that. This will only get worse, and I will have no part in it any longer.
-------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco [...]I have cancelled my accounts, the last will expire April 22nd, and I don't see myself returning. Too many people play this game who are willing to take it one or several steps too far and CCP is ignoring that. This will only get worse, and I will have no part in it any longer.
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Adeptus mecanicus
The Flaming Sideburn's
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:06:00 -
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well exploitation of game mechanics is now deemed as a fair weapon most of the pvp'rs in eve coz basicly if you dont use it then someone will use it against you. And yes it's a downward spiral from the "honorable" fights but the only one that can counter it is CCP themselves......if not the alliances have to form a ethics council and create a Rules of engagement Law and monitor that...good luck with that one heh
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Biosman
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:42:00 -
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whichever way you look at it,this game is not the great mmorpg ccp would have you believe.it runs like a bad beta,and has done for many years and i dont think they will ever get it to run properly. if your just a small mining or pvp corp great,youll have a great day,but large scale alliance warfare,just forget it.the games inability to perform as it should do causes 99.9% of the problems which people use as part of the game mechanics because they have to.activating a module with the knowledge of a 30 second delaytime!!! "eve wins this award,eve wins that award" roflmao the game is borked and need fixing...oh wait where have i heard that before?
now...wheres the cheese?
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Biosman
GALAXIAN Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:42:00 -
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whichever way you look at it,this game is not the great mmorpg ccp would have you believe.it runs like a bad beta,and has done for many years and i dont think they will ever get it to run properly. if your just a small mining or pvp corp great,youll have a great day,but large scale alliance warfare,just forget it.the games inability to perform as it should do causes 99.9% of the problems which people use as part of the game mechanics because they have to.activating a module with the knowledge of a 30 second delaytime!!! "eve wins this award,eve wins that award" roflmao the game is borked and need fixing...oh wait where have i heard that before?
now...wheres the cheese?
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nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:48:00 -
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So its planed titanes killed when its without pilots ? OK, i just did not know, great gameplay, i like it!
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nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:48:00 -
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So its planed titanes killed when its without pilots ? OK, i just did not know, great gameplay, i like it!
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Julo Replikant
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.17 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Julo Replikant on 17/02/2007 12:53:35 Please do not bring false accusation about RAGOON/TCF/The Coalition to use their number to crash the node. In Fact a few days before in the first assault in JV1V, the node crashed, and TCF had lost the first battle...(when we have been able to log again all BOBs where there, and killed us one by one).Did we whined on forums for that? no it is the game... Did a bad feeling appeared about it in our ranks? yes. So when i read some Lokta Vokterra do it, and accusing us to do it when they have lost...well bring your own conclusion(i don't think it is the case to ALL LV, just some of them to be honnest)...well don't look to far : it is only because when some are frustrated. As simple as that : when nodes crash, everybody is frustrated.
For the other, i am in the same line with you : Let bring the fun back Let fight with an honorable attitude Let play battles in game, not with meta gaming Shoot ships when they are online , don't use game mechanics!
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Victor Merren
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:01:00 -
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It just isn't fun anymore. I do not have the time or desire to learn the tricks, I also do not enjoy flying with FCs that suggest exploiting game mechanics (yes there were a few even on our side , but they were shouted down, and are now likely with BoB)
Things are not as they should be with this game. Anyone that claims otherwise is deluded, in BoB + alts, or doing something unfathomable in empire.
I also do not have the time or the mental state to fight the war on CAOD. Whenever I see a personal attack, on me or or on someone with whom I agree, I try to think of a way to respond, but I cannot. What is the point of "personally" attacking an avatar on a forum? Its senseless, so I leave it to those without sense.
Exploits, bugs, debilitating lag and instability issues, developers cheating, demoralising low blows, gloating, insults, can all be used to describe Eve at the moment. It used to be fun when it provided an entertaining alternative world for socialising and escape. Now it is just an exercise in frustration and disappointment.
Of course a roaring horde of intellectuals will post replies soon calling us all emo n00bs, whiners and will ask for our stuff.
To them I can only say, may whatever deity Icelanders prefer to pray to save CCP from you.
Cheers,
V.
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Sicossis
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sicossis on 17/02/2007 12:58:52
Originally by: Zeoliter
Originally by: Zirator Ok last few weeks we've seen and read quite a lot of stuff on the forums about stuff happening in the game.
-The way D2 lost their titan. -The way LV lost their titan that was being build. -D2 using eve-online.de to trace ip's to find spies. -The various ways RAGOON uses their numbers to crash nodes. -The T20 incident
Check it out. No grey tactics listed from LV. Honour. Respect.
you are right lv was not listed. maby its time to say something about them too... like wenn there were 25 bubbles on the gate and about 500+ dead drones. of course the lv fleet was not on the gate... wonder why the node crashed, could that be a contributer... aslo bob was not listed but by now everyone has already seen the frapes footage of were bob, once again, were able to shoot through a pos forcefeeld...
just a question though. whats so wrong about the way that the coalition took out the titan before it could be built?
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Teeta Sabes
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Teeta Sabes on 17/02/2007 13:09:20 The problem why the fight moral went down is due to mass bubbling.
seeing 2 major alliances that claimed that their only tactic in this game is to be more than the enemy at what ever costs is sad.
100 tech2 fitted battleships cant do a **** against 400 goons or RA jumping in with tech1 ships and making a huge lagg so that you cant even fight them how its meant to. this is the using of lame tacticts. I think BoB only get used to theit tactics and is doing anti-blob tactics to break this huge battle ****.
also i think it would be great of CCP to limit fleets to 50 battleships and 25 support.
D2 would never jump their titan into a huge battle where they maybe could lose their titan, so the briliat tactic BoB used on the D2 titan is legitime, dirty but legitime.
D2 used their eve-online.de forum to spy IPs from SPYs in their rows, but this happend long ago and looks like it wont happen that soon again, so lets get over it now.
A sabre BPO and some ammo BPOs didnt make BoB to the leading alliance of EvE, so stop arguing abou****. BoB members didnt know what happened untill CCP admited it (so didnt the whole community). Its over its gone and letsd get over it. T20 have had his punishment by CCP i think thats all that cn be made by now (I personaly dont want to see him beein fired because of this).
About the LV titan: CCP will solve the problem, when CCP think it should be reimbursed then it will be reimbursed.
Oh and dont blame BoB for their tactics, if dirty or not. at the moment it doesnt matter what bob do in eve, everybody is crying HAX, CHEAT, DEV-HELP etc. ild like to say to those people: PLS GROW UP FINALY.
BoB is forcing 8000+ players in this war - remember that.
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Daon Khan
Minmatar Handsome Boy Modeling School
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:32:00 -
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EVE is going downhill toward what? Can people possibly be worst in EVE than in real life? Wake up, in real life people get nuked, tortured, gassed and disposed of in really horrible ways for money (ISK) or agendas of the leadership (egomaniacs that want the responsibility of driving the Titan). Nothing is wrong with EVE. It's a great sandbox/game... have you read the backstory? EVE is a cruel cold place with alot of black empty space where everyone is clawing for their right to exist. If war bothers you, play another game... in real life war is unpredictable and HELL; as far as I'm concerned EVE is a lot nicer than our world... imagine BoB being the only people with Titans (or nukes in our world for that matter). Or let's not stretch our imaginations too far for our nerdy little brains and percieve a more comical and ironic art imitates art scenario... WTFOMGBBQQ the rebels blew up our Death Star with only a frigate and plans they got from a Bothan spy! Exploit! Cheat! Dirty underhanded tactics! Call the Emperor the sky is falling!
In all seriousness though, if you don't like it don't read about it.. it doesn't have to affect you, big bad ebil BoB is not gonna come gank you mining veldspar or mission running in high sec Empire; or just join a smaller alliance operating out of the new rogue drone regions... nothing too crazy going on there. The sky is not falling folks.
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nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:50:00 -
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Please, do not talk about RL in game context.
... because in RL it is so and so and thats because its ok in EVE. .
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Kai page
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.02.17 13:51:00 -
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Heya Zirator
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Zirator
Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.02.17 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kai page Heya Zirator
Hi Kai
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