I feel like you have overvalued your toons.

I can lend you 30bil for your subcap pvp toon.

Q: If on my ISK the ROI is 80%, what % you make on it?

Q: Can you share a eveboard of the JF toon?
Q: Does it have a JF?

Q: Do any of the other chars have maxed/high jump navigation?

I would consider the JF toon, even more if it has a JF.

You're valuing these at like double the quick liquidation price, which is a huge risk for the lender / third party who has to deal with a minimum of 9 accounts.

The interest would make it worth it, but people have defaulted over much less.

I can and will halve the valuation then. I don't like risk. Give me some time to find time, and to seek opinions.

Value of collateral

The base price of your 5.5m characters is quite irrelevant to me as an investor that wants their money back ASAP, but I'm going to assume that I can pawn them off for 1b profit each taking into account the 2 plex transfer cost. I am now out 109billion ISK.

Obviously, extracting characters is not the best way to recoup my losses, but as a potential investor - I do not want to have to individually sell 29 characters. Even if I was to do so, I'm pretty sure I would not be able to close the 109b difference that remains to be filled by selling.

Initial investment
Holding 29 characters as collateral requires me to pay an amount of 9.5 billion in plex fees per month.
Transferring 29 characters will cost you roughly 30b and another 30b to get them back. Although, the seller is required to pay the fee as per the CCP rules so you'd have to work around that. I'm just going to assume you'll be paying all the fees the investor has to deal with.
Having said that, you will be paying an initial amount of 30b and then an additional 9b per month. At the end, you'll pay another 30b. This leaves us with 69b of any profits you make to simply "disappear"

Not to mention that IF anything falls through in your investment, you will be down at least 70b in plex fees that cannot be recouped.

FAQ:

Q: This sounds like bullshit.
A: Sure does!

Q: I know what your trick is and I'm going to reply to this thread with a post detailing exactly how to do it.
A: Please don't.

Q: Why don't you just tell someone trustworthy the method you found, so they can vouch for it?
A: Paranoia. I may yet choose to do that, especially if people express interest in that option.
Edit: I have told rhivre.

Q: Why don't you just strip down, sell, and re-inject all those characters?
A: That is my last resort. First off, I have a level of attachment to even the indy alts. Second off, I am holding on to the hope that I'll be offered an undercollateralized loan.

Q: Why aren't you a bit more serious about this?
A: I have 0 credibility and thus 0 expectations.

Q: Why don't you post your Evernus / EveMentat / IPH / etcetera?
A: I started at a time when all those tools were, well, not useful compared to what I could code. I made my own tools from scratch. They're not user-friendly. (They're still better than EveMentat and IPH last I checked.) And the only personal logs they keep is daily production lists, which I imagine is useless. I can give you cache-scraped historical market data from 2012 onwards if you want it though!

Q: Can I just give you money, have you double it, and get it back post-patch?
A: If you trust me, yeah, you definitely can. Just know that: 1) The patch will do more than just double it. That was just meant to catch the eye. So I'm going to making a higher profit than you'd think. 2) If you give me 1T, I can only withdraw 50bil/day (technically up to 100bil with competition and 150bil with 0 competition, but I prefer pessimism).

Q: How much % are you actually willing to offer?
A: 80% per month on everything collateralized, 25% per month on everything uncollateralized.
The 25% figure is so small solely to lower the possibility that I scam (I can easily pay 25% on 1T). I can do 100% per month on everything, with no problem, but I feel that such a figure would drive off people, rather than attract them.

Q: How soon are you willing to purchase your characters back for that 80% per month?
A: I can easily do it on May 4th, and even if that's not 1 month, I'll still pay the full amount. I would prefer not to do it that particular week (following May 1st), as that is my Easter. But I can.

Q: How certain are you of your method?
A: 100% certain it is inevitable and cannot be fixed by any kind of last-moment change. 100% certain that it will multiply isk the way I calculated it to. 99% certain that competition can only slow down my cashing out, not actually stop it.




References:

Well, I mean.

• Rita Jita, Jupitess are two people that often light up my Wallet Transactions and could confirm my manufacturing.
• Most regulars of the #scc-lounge can confirm my shitposting.
• Daugan once even logged into Eve, ran a locator agent, and came by to visit my POS. He liked my set-up.
• rhivre was on #scc-lounge when I came to the realization that I can use the patch to multiply isk, and he saw the comments I made about it before I wisened up and deleted them all.
• A couple of other people from Slack have had given me private advice about how to procure loans, but I won't name them in public.

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I doubt anyone actually offering you an uncollaterized loan is being serious besides wanting to know what you found.

The most serious offer is the one posted in this thread by Elizabeth Norn from what I can see. Also lol at "manager" being required

Currently I'd just wait to see and if you don't get your goal, sell what you found to someone else to make money of of it.

Hey there,

I am pretty good, finally become sober now. I am going to send isk. 240 millions right?

Oh, wait, that's 240 BILLIONS?! But I only have 240m in my pant's pocket, wait again, I am not wearing pants. Will you accept 240m as loan lol? If yes, I will use it to buy all your characters out of mercy. :)

omg, what terrible things have I done. I just ruined you auction with several mails. I shut down your broadcast for rep, neutralized your time, I am sooo sorry for that. Now your time is less than 20 hrs, and you have no way to get a loan. You have to melt down your toons, by your hand, in tears. I must have destroyed a squad of titans and ******** their pilots' minds.

So what should I say? op success lol. I will remember this killmail even after quitting eve. I am ready for that this time.

I'm investing 5b. I expect 10b to be returned by May 3rd. Isk transferred to the character probag Bear. Probag, please confirm receipt of isk.

lol, actually you may still get some loan from me.

For the characters? Please yes. I don't want to have gone through the work of setting up that hellish thread for nothing.
PM me.

As Tuesday dragged on, I reverted to my bitter self and grew more and more disillusioned with the world. I ended up turning my pre-patch alarm off and going back to sleep, so eventually, I only had time to throw about 70bil into this. 70bil multiplied still isn't bad, but it's definitely not story-worthy.

My mistake was telling rhivre about this. That made me feel obligated to treat the entire matter with at least an air of seriousness, instead of just shooting the **** and teasing people about it like I had originally planned. Not to say that I wasn't feeling the temptation to treat this seriously regardless. I just would not have acted on it. Wouldn't have lost any sleep, wouldn't be feeling any disappointment right now, would've extracted all my sp without actually trying to pawn it instead.

Going to pay rhivre and Nixarat after I get some sleep, then go away until manufacturing structures get added into the game.

May Darkb, thank you for being a ray of hope in that otherwise terrible yesterday. You actually cheered me up quite a bit; without your stunt, if everything else had gone identically, I don't think I would've actually bothered to wake up before the patch and try to throw at least a bit of isk at it.

tl;dr: "probag's really quite bitter right now that he didn't manage to successfully scam anyone"

That's too bad. I really had 10 tril to throw at this.

Okay then. Back to the original plan: going to just manually extract everything.

May Darkb, your actually was success. Having all those alts drop corp, pause their skill queues, and then post in the thread through the "your account is younger than a week, and so you have to wait 5 minutes between posts" filter was incredibly painful. I never want to go through that again.

https://www.themittani.com/features/plex-wall-incident carries an explanation of what was going on... well, I say "explanation" but frankly the step where one actually turns a profit eludes me. At the end "You now have about 0 ISK in your wallet, and buy orders for a total of 250,000 PLEX on the market" - all of which will evaporate as soon as they are touched because you have no ISK to back them up. (Even if you retained a modest quantity, you'll never fill all 250,000 or anything like it).

Someone explain it to me?

Because the orders dont fill all at once, and when he starts selling, he starts getting isk back to fill more orders.

This seems risky; the sellers have only got to get ahead of his cash-in-hand once, and every single order vanishes. Presumably he has to sleep sometimes.

Furthermore, I appreciate what you're saying - that in the ideal scenario, he could get the return on an enormous number of PLEX by having placed all these orders with the pre-patch broker fee so he's able to work with a smaller spread that anyone else... but what if the slump continues, and people just aren't buying enough? Again, all the buy orders go *pffft*.

You have to keep them selling fast enough to refill the wallet to keep up with people selling into your buy orders.

That is indeed the only risk. I've already talked to two people who have pointed out that they could easily make all my buy orders evaporate.

I think this is your main misconception. There's nothing that forces me to sell at a certain speed. I've played Eve for a total of ~180 minutes since patch-day so far. What would force me to stay on 24/7?

[1] I suppose having placed them all once you could stagger the prices on relisting, which would make a complete wipeout much less likely.