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Lady Lorica	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:17:00 - [1] FIX the ISSUES with DRONES please. They're 3 years old. Thanks
king jks New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.18 06:54:00 - [2] k ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein
Ishmael Hansen No Quarter. C0VEN	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Ishmael Hansen on 18/02/2007 21:12:00 Drones have evolved, they have their own AI and in a few years they'll gather to kill us. edit: - signed, it is quite annoying.
Barbicane Minmatar The Gun Club Zzz	Posted - 2007.02.18 21:55:00 - [4] Please excuse my ignorance... what issues?
Karma Coma	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:07:00 - [5] Edited by: Karma Coma on 18/02/2007 22:03:45 Originally by: Barbicane Please excuse my ignorance... what issues? 1. They aggro entire spawns when released; 2. it takes repeating the same command 2-3 times for them all to follow it; 3. you will tell them to attack one target and when you take a look you realize one or two have gone off to do something else (not the same as point 2 because they start attacking but then will leave in mid fight); 4. and, they do not MWD back to you... just kind of take their bloody time. Those are the ones that **** me off to no ends and the only reason Ive stoped using drone ships for pve... still do in pvp though. Ishtar ftw :)
NoNah	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:18:00 - [6] #1 issnt really a drone issue, as the same issue appears when accompanied by a wingman.
FawKa Gallente Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.18 22:22:00 - [7] I figured out that CCP cant fix em. If they could then why, as you just said yourself, would they ignore these problems for 3 years? CCP cant fix the AI as they arent spec'd in AI. So untill they figure out to get some ppl in the crew that knows about it, we can only use the broken drones we got so far. We can request improvements to drones till world war 4 but CCP will still keep the improvments to turrets and launchers, thats just what they do. Drones are doom'd
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:03:00 - [8] Well supposedly they just appointed a guy as exclusively "the drone guy", so maybe he'll fix this stuff.
Scarlett Yo'Mason Pod Killing Machines	Posted - 2007.02.19 03:43:00 - [9] Ye we heard about that 'guy'. If he isn't fictionary, I would love to read some words of his in some drone thread... hell, what about a devblog? Am I asking for too much? Please, please, pleeeaasseeeee give us something.
Karma Coma	Posted - 2007.02.19 04:51:00 - [10] Originally by: NoNah #1 issnt really a drone issue, as the same issue appears when accompanied by a wingman. Actually, it is. I suspect the reason is to make missions harder when you have a companion so you dont fly through them. The problem with drones is that you are still just one ship and, while this may not be an issue for a raven, megathron, tempest, apoc, etc... because they have other primary means of killing rats this is a problem for the dominix, isthar and ishkur whose primary weapon are the drones. Although, to be honest I have never really had a problem with this. The only thing I hate is when the drones choose to attack a un-aggroed spawn and get themselves shot up
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:04:00 - [11] Oddly, I have only ever had problems with the drones sometimes being a bit sluggish to return to the drone bay. I have never had issues with the drones drawing everything's aggro nor randomly attacking something other than the target I assign them.
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:04:00 - [12] Oddly, I have only ever had problems with the drones sometimes being a bit sluggish to return to the drone bay. I have never had issues with the drones drawing everything's aggro nor randomly attacking something other than the target I assign them.
DarkElf Caldari Veto. Academy	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:12:00 - [13] well ur problem number 1 is a tricky 1 for them. they made it so that drones aggro what aggro'd u so that if u get jammed they go after the ecm ship which is frickin awesome, but as a result of this they tend to charge after the sentry guns to attack them instead of coming back to the bay as they should Apart from no.1 all those issues have been there since i remember and it really is about time they got sorted. DE
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2007.02.19 12:15:00 - [14] /me is waiting patiently .. stil .. All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide..
Mr PotatoHeader	Posted - 2007.02.19 13:22:00 - [15] I know why they haven't fixed it! Because there is no skill called "CodeDroneAI" on the market for CCP to buy.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:04:00 - [16] At this point I would accept them adding the ability to toggle drone AI on and off. When off give them a command and when they can no longer follow that command (Say attack a target thats now gone) they sit and wait for a new command. It's not just CCP, almost every on-line game that has some kind of "pet" for players to use realizes that sometimes the AI is just wonky and the players need to be able to disable it. UO is one of the ones that doesn't and ask any tamer if they have a macro thats just screaming at the pet (Stop. Follow me. Stop... STOP STOP STOP STOP).
FawKa Gallente Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.19 14:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Mithrasith At this point I would accept them adding the ability to toggle drone AI on and off. When off give them a command and when they can no longer follow that command (Say attack a target thats now gone) they sit and wait for a new command. It's not just CCP, almost every on-line game that has some kind of "pet" for players to use realizes that sometimes the AI is just wonky and the players need to be able to disable it. UO is one of the ones that doesn't and ask any tamer if they have a macro thats just screaming at the pet (Stop. Follow me. Stop... STOP STOP STOP STOP). It's true but we can't really use it as argumentation. I don't reckon that CCP has ever said much about drone issues at all. You guys tells they got a drone-guy in the crew now? - where did you read this?
Viggen	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Karma Coma Edited by: Karma Coma on 18/02/2007 22:03:45 Originally by: Barbicane Please excuse my ignorance... what issues? 1. They aggro entire spawns when released; 2. it takes repeating the same command 2-3 times for them all to follow it; 3. you will tell them to attack one target and when you take a look you realize one or two have gone off to do something else (not the same as point 2 because they start attacking but then will leave in mid fight); 4. and, they do not MWD back to you... just kind of take their bloody time. Those are the ones that **** me off to no ends and the only reason Ive stoped using drone ships for pve... still do in pvp though. Ishtar ftw :) also.... 5. "Show info" on your drones doesnt errrm show info. It only show the basic stats and your skills / bonuses are not taken into account unlike every other weapon or module used, but I'm sure you knew that already, just adding my 1 isk
JLBane Gallente Libertae Nolvm	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:15:00 - [19] A simple way to stop your drones going rogue and aggroing everything is to keep them in the hold until you have full aggro from a spawn. Then and only then do you release them and get yourself moving. Using the [ctrl] + [LMB] to lock an enemy in a spawn (as opposed to clicking in overview) also helps as you can keep them focussed on that group and you avoid accidentally inviting a new spawn into the action. It is annoying that drones take a while to respond or that they split up their attack sometimes but if you keep an eye on things you shouldn't have a problem. I think people take it for granted that drones will do as they're told and that's why they get moody over it. Don't get complacent and your combat will go a lot smoother. It's Elite with bells on...
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:15:00 - [20] I wonder if the drone bugs only apply to certain types of drones at certain skill levels. I'm a heavy drone user and haven't noticed any problems with T2 mediums. There used to be a problem with drones not doing what they are told, but that seems to have been fixed. I don't think we are talking about a bug here, but drones behaving differently then people expect them to. If there was a sure fire way to replicate a bug it would be easier to fix. Saying "golly, sometimes drones do x y z" is useless because there are too many variables involved. Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do so. - Bertrand Russell
Buster Terrik Warhamsters Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.19 17:27:00 - [21] signed! plus - fix drone rigs! tnx ------- When i fly, in my mind I get away just in time. I'll wait the wait, fly away... I only want it for today.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.02.19 19:41:00 - [22] Drones MWD back to you. Combat drones do, at any rate. Please fix utility and ewar drones. Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
FawKa Gallente Old Farts	Posted - 2007.02.20 06:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Nicocat Drones MWD back to you. Combat drones do, at any rate. Please fix utility and ewar drones. .. and fighters
MingRan	Posted - 2007.02.20 09:40:00 - [24] Originally by: MrTripps I wonder if the drone bugs only apply to certain types of drones at certain skill levels. I'm a heavy drone user and haven't noticed any problems with T2 mediums. Yes, dronebugs seem only to apply to certain drone types. While Ogre I/Hammerhead II/Vespa II seem to work fine, except the occasional target switching of the Ogre`s (target far away, long approach time), the Warrior II`s are screwed. They work fine for attacking, but as soon as you try to get em back into the bay, they start strolling...: "nah`, don`t want to get back to that dark, small drone bay. it`s so much fun outside...so much space.... bah :(" I always have to approach them to get `em back into bay in a reasonable time (which isn`t always fun, in 0.0 while hunting in my ishkur)

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