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Sotha Si'l
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:04:00 -
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I recently came across a kill mail generated by Tholarim of DICE and Chay Vroomfold of The Guardian Agency, the zone where this happened was at the time a combat zone with several BoB vessels currently engaging in combat vs hostile fleets, the killmail depicts Tholarim as the pilot of a shuttle filled with too many bookmarks for us to count,
as it is against the forum rules we are unable to post the kill mail but you can contact me ingame for a copy.
Now i'm not here to flame or throw accusations, but I would like to know if this is an accepted combat tactic by BoB or wether this was a one off case, and if so wether or not BoB has a policy against it.
Please refrain from flaming in this thread, thank you.
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Conrad Rock
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:06:00 -
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bookmarks create lag?
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:07:00 -
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I doubt it tbh. Guy in our corp got ganked traveling through a pipe while carrying a insta route (before patch). They thought we were bookmark bombing too 
 Originally by: Ice Conch
In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sotha Si'l
I recently came across a kill mail generated by Tholarim of DICE and Chay Vroomfold of The Guardian Agency, the zone where this happened was at the time a combat zone with several BoB vessels currently engaging in combat vs hostile fleets, the killmail depicts Tholarim as the pilot of a shuttle filled with too many bookmarks for us to count,
as it is against the forum rules we are unable to post the kill mail but you can contact me ingame for a copy.
Now i'm not here to flame or throw accusations, but I would like to know if this is an accepted combat tactic by BoB or wether this was a one off case, and if so wether or not BoB has a policy against it.
Please refrain from flaming in this thread, thank you.
Are you saying this happened after the warp to 0 patch?
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Linda Tradition
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Linda Tradition on 20/02/2007 03:11:36
edit: sry wrong char
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Victor Merren
The Syndicate Inc
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Merren on 20/02/2007 03:09:22
Whoops, forgot the "no flaming" request.
V.
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Kozak
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:12:00 -
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After the warp to 0 patch, I can't see any valid reason for having those BM's in his hold, unless that ship was in space from before the patch and was being moved or the pilot never checked his cargo hold after recieving the ship.
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Sotha Si'l
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Originally by: Sotha Si'l
I recently came across a kill mail generated by Tholarim of DICE and Chay Vroomfold of The Guardian Agency, the zone where this happened was at the time a combat zone with several BoB vessels currently engaging in combat vs hostile fleets, the killmail depicts Tholarim as the pilot of a shuttle filled with too many bookmarks for us to count,
as it is against the forum rules we are unable to post the kill mail but you can contact me ingame for a copy.
Now i'm not here to flame or throw accusations, but I would like to know if this is an accepted combat tactic by BoB or wether this was a one off case, and if so wether or not BoB has a policy against it.
Please refrain from flaming in this thread, thank you.
Are you saying this happened after the warp to 0 patch?
This occured at 2007.02.11
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Helganstandt on 20/02/2007 03:11:36
Yeah, you should take a screenshot and petition to a GM. That's not meta-gaming, that's suspicious of intentionally creating lag, which is against the EULA. There's no point to posting it here though, not like we can do anything about it, unless you're intentionally trying to add to the propaganda war.
I'm sure a GM will take care of it and investigate it for you however.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:15:00 -
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Interesting. Since BoB are self banned from posting here why dont you mail Tholarim and ask him and then copy paste his reply mail here?
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Linda Fortuness
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:16:00 -
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bookmarks were the mainreason for the "warp-to-0"-mechanic.
Everyone was to delete bookmarks near coliterable objects like stations, gates, belts...
The main reason given by CCP: server-lags.
I can just image what kind of overload a fleet of 3-10shuttles each about 10.000bms of the region would released.
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w0rmy
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:16:00 -
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I still have shuttles filled with Bookmarks I had stored prior to warp-to-0.
Its easier to fly them, and get destroyed in them, than it is to destroy the bookmarks first.
Perhaps it was something similar in this case.
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Anaximander Monk
Mandala Group
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:16:00 -
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Filling your hold with bookmarks is a known exploit. It causes alot of lag for the person who receives the killmail. But the fact that this guy was in a shuttle perhaps suggests he wasn't trying to lag people. Generally you'd fill your combat ships hold with BMs so that when you go down in a fight, you lag your opponent. If you're in a shuttle in the middle of a fleet battle, noone will bother shooting you. This guy in a shuttle may have just been transporting a load of safespot bookmarks or something.
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Drakma
Gekidoku
Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:17:00 -
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Posting in a soon-to-be epic thread.
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Babs Johnson
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:18:00 -
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Tholarim, care to explain?
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:18:00 -
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This thread should get very interesting soon.
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Sotha Si'l
The Guardian Agency
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:20:00 -
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While I can't deny the possibility of a mistake taking place, I do question what motives the CEO of DICE would have to fly a shuttle when his corp members are engaging in combat in the vicinity, and how he could possible get shot down by a dictor with the amount of intel he must have had, I would just assume that such a high ranking member of DICE would know better, I would like to hear BoB's take on this before jumping to conclusions though.
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Zae'dra Xanthe
Fist of the Goat
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:20:00 -
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Whatever it takes to "win". I mean that's what Eve is all about right?
Oh wait.....
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Linda Fortuness
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Anaximander Monk
Filling your hold with bookmarks is a known exploit. It causes alot of lag for the person who receives the killmail. But the fact that this guy was in a shuttle perhaps suggests he wasn't trying to lag people. Generally you'd fill your combat ships hold with BMs so that when you go down in a fight, you lag your opponent. If you're in a shuttle in the middle of a fleet battle, noone will bother shooting you. This guy in a shuttle may have just been transporting a load of safespot bookmarks or something.
thats not exactly correct. when you lag your foes with a shuttle you can easy jump in the system while the others are in a lag. this is some kind of nasty gamemechanic, but i guess we'll see soon wether its a bug or a feature...
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Boliknar
The Shadow Order
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:21:00 -
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Ok I dont know if its fair tactics or not...Its obviously (according to recent logic) not an exploit. Book marks are part of the in-game universe right? So they just happen to cause lag and while this may not have been their intended use it doesnt really matter its ingame so its ok right? Seems kinda silly when take to extremes doesnt it. But that is the whole problem with quicksand... most of the time you dont notice it till its too late.
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Cap'n Jackk
Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Posting in a soon-to-be epic thread.
This is gonna be great... 
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Faith Black
Minmatar
Rolls Roids
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:27:00 -
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One possibility can be that he just grabbed a shuttle with a BM-set in it.
Ok, guess noone will belive him, but I still have shuttles with 3 or 4 BM sets myself in a station that I got and forgot to copy before the 5-copies-at-once limit came. Storing BM sets in shuttles was quite normal.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Freedom for All
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Pherusa Plumosa on 20/02/2007 03:28:00
What is "big" about this thread? Nothing. Even if the ceo of DICE was using an exploit, he will get a gm warning and his vice ceo will continue flying into combat areas with shuttles full of bms. If he gets a warning, the vice vice ceo will continue flying around with bms and if he gets a gm warning, his vice^x ceo flies around in ......
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Esaka
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sotha Si'l
While I can't deny the possibility of a mistake taking place, I do question what motives the CEO of DICE would have to fly a shuttle when his corp members are engaging in combat in the vicinity, and how he could possible get shot down by a dictor with the amount of intel he must have had, I would just assume that such a high ranking member of DICE would know better, I would like to hear BoB's take on this before jumping to conclusions though.
And which exact advantage did BoB gain through this shuttle? For what exactly is he supposed to justify? There are probably plently of pre-patch shuttles with bookmarks around.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crellion
Interesting. Since BoB are self banned from posting here why dont you mail Tholarim and ask him and then copy paste his reply mail here?
My previous post you replied to in 3 mins this one is 15 and counting. Pls indicate if you are taking the suggested course of action or not. TY.
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Meriones
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:31:00 -
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Why would they purposely lag the system when they themselves would be lagged? I can see the point if their had been cyno's fired off with cap's jumping in but you didnt make any mention of that.
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Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:34:00 -
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BMs should be 1000 m3 each
problem solved
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:36:00 -
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why would boD do that thats sooo 2006. and with the devs on there side they can just crash the node.
yay for CCP that lets it's workers cheat in game.
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Truth Justice
The Men of the Square Table
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:43:00 -
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zomg, bob r haxxorz.
ibtl?
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Liquid Vision
Caldari
Liquid Research
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:49:00 -
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Seems like lagging up the system would be a damn good tactic if you knew a group of baddies (say. . .200 goons?) was jumping in system and you wanted to DD 'em before they got to warp off.
I'm not saying it's true. . .but why would he be flying a shuttle around in a combat zone with hostile fleet engagements going on? Jumping in a shuttle to hop back up to empire or wherever? Sure. In the middle of a fleet battle? Not so sure.....
But like was said above. . .what'll happen if it turns out to be true? A GM send him an eve-mail and tell him to cheat better next time? Those guys are untouchable and they know it.
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