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Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 268	Posted - 2016.04.28 23:46:59 - [1] - Quote Don't trifle with these new Serpentis titans and dreadnoughts. It took us a titan and several dreadnoughts to blow up a Serpentis Titan that had invaded O1Y-ED, and when we tried to kill a dreadnought in K4YZ with the O1Y Home Defense Fleet, consisting of a large smattering of smaller ships, we lost 5 ships, including my Svipul, which got instantly webbed, disrupted, neuted to empty and then destroyed with a single blast of the Moros's weapons in one second. If you don't have overwhelming force, STAY AWAY. Unlike most of the Serpentis Corporation's forces, these capital ships are not to be underestimated.. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Sinjin Mokk Angelis Exploration 860	Posted - 2016.04.29 00:58:36 - [2] - Quote I could have warned you... "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2599	Posted - 2016.04.29 02:20:07 - [3] - Quote Would be nice if Seprentis use these ships against gallentean occupants. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Morgan Wulver Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 101	Posted - 2016.04.29 02:42:45 - [4] - Quote How is it that a group of rogue pharmacists have managed to secure their own private capital fleet again? I realize that they have a large and extensive cartel and enough money to fund their own fleets but erecting a capital fleet large enough to challenge capsuleers? That's not drug money, that's rogue state money. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!*
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Mighty Wings. 5953	Posted - 2016.04.29 02:52:46 - [5] - Quote Morgan Wulver wrote: How is it that a group of rogue pharmacists have managed to secure their own private capital fleet again? I realize that they have a large and extensive cartel and enough money to fund their own fleets but erecting a capital fleet large enough to challenge capsuleers? That's not drug money, that's rogue state money. The same way I hear that a bunch of death cultists and the servants of a failed utopian state got hold of their capital fleets. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 820	Posted - 2016.04.29 03:00:34 - [6] - Quote How many years is it that they've had that stolen Titan squirreled away?
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 273	Posted - 2016.04.29 09:22:17 - [7] - Quote At present, the Serpentis Corporation seems to pose a larger threat to the region than the Imperium. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 376	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:06:24 - [8] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: At present, the Serpentis Corporation seems to pose a larger threat to the region than the Imperium. Ha ha. Ha. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Mighty Wings. 5959	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:11:03 - [9] - Quote Rinai Vero wrote: How many years is it that they've had that stolen Titan squirreled away? That was an old Solteur-class. The Federation fleet replaced it with the Erebus-class a long, long time ago. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 275	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:14:11 - [10] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Rinai Vero wrote: How many years is it that they've had that stolen Titan squirreled away? That was an old Solteur-class. The Federation fleet replaced it with the Erebus-class a long, long time ago. How can you tell the difference? Just looks like a weirdly-designed Erebus to me. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Andreus Ixiris Duty. Mighty Wings. 5959	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:19:15 - [11] - Quote The Serpentis stole a Solteuer-class titan stolen more than a decade ago, back when titans were a bigger deal than they are today. Nowadays, though, it'd have more value as an antique than as a fighting vessel - it's down more than a decade worth of combat upgrades and retrofits which Sarpati doesn't have access to. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kalaratiri Mafia Redux Feign Disorder 805	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:25:12 - [12] - Quote Morgan Wulver wrote: How is it that a group of rogue pharmacists have managed to secure their own private capital fleet again? I realize that they have a large and extensive cartel and enough money to fund their own fleets but erecting a capital fleet large enough to challenge capsuleers? That's not drug money, that's rogue state money. I don't know man, there's a lot of people looking to get high these days. I should know, I sell to enough of them. We at the Guardians have always prided ourselves on a high standard of corporate security, these new capitals are just an extension of that. The massive capital fleets wielded by capsuleer alliances are great enough of a threat to our security, and the security of our employers, that measures are being taken to respond. It's honestly not that surprising. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Tabris Katz DeepSpace Resources DeepSpace. 51	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:42:09 - [13] - Quote I fear the Serpentis Corporation and Sansha's Nation capital fleets are only the tip of a very deep and dangerous iceberg and I'm sure the Angel Cartel is not far behind them. Soon we may be dealing with capital fleets flying under all pirate flags. However if we act quickly, decisively and as an unified front we might be able to contain this nightmare before it overwhelms us. To that effect I'm asking any that cares to join me not just hunting down these capital ship and destroying them, but also destroying their infrastructure. If we can take out their shipyards, mining operations or financial operation we might be able to prevent more capitals from being constructed in the first place. I don't expect everyone to turn all their resources to this task but I fear the consequence if we don't take this seriously. I'll be doing my part in north against the Guristas, it is my hope others will join me. P.S. Jason Galente, what was the security rating of the system in which your corporation encountered the Serpentis titan and dreadnought respectfully, also was encountered in an asteroid belt or at am active Serpentis site?
Kalaratiri Mafia Redux Feign Disorder 806	Posted - 2016.04.29 11:50:57 - [14] - Quote People seem to keep making this mistake, so let me clarify: the "Serpentis Fleet" is designed, flown, and maintained by the Guardian Angels. If the Serpentis are using capitals, you can be sure that the Angels already have them. Curse may simply have decided not to show it's hand just yet. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire. This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. - CCP Falcon I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1496	Posted - 2016.04.29 13:26:22 - [15] - Quote Well, it is to be expected that a Serpentis faction dread would have 90% webs. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1373	Posted - 2016.04.29 13:34:26 - [16] - Quote Morgan Wulver wrote: How is it that a group of rogue pharmacists have managed to secure their own private capital fleet again? Their financiers are all hepped up on goofballs, and are unable to see, through the drug haze, the long-term financial consequences of such immense capital ship construction programmes. Also, those goofballs cost like, pennies to make, and sell for thousands of isk, so they just push a little more goofballs, and blammo ! enough funds to buy stuff. The moral of this story, is quite clear: Don't get high, on your own supply. Goofballs. Not Even Once. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 821	Posted - 2016.04.29 14:21:26 - [17] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: The Serpentis stole a Solteuer-class titan stolen more than a decade ago, back when titans were a bigger deal than they are today. Nowadays, though, it'd have more value as an antique than as a fighting vessel - it's down more than a decade worth of combat upgrades and retrofits which Sarpati doesn't have access to. I'm sure that's correct, but my point wasn't that the old Solteuer-class Titan is a particular danger to capsuleers in combat. More like, they've had a unique opportunity to be conducting research and reverse engineer Titan level technology for more than a decade. Even so, any Titan in the hands of terrorists and pirates is a major threat. We capsuleers may have more than sufficient combat capability to defend against that ship, but there are plenty of isolated Federation colonies that are at risk. The devastation on Reschard V and Caldari Prime should stand as testament to the damage that rogue Titans can inflict.
Morgan Wulver Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 101	Posted - 2016.04.29 16:47:43 - [18] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: The Serpentis stole a Solteuer-class titan stolen more than a decade ago, back when titans were a bigger deal than they are today. Nowadays, though, it'd have more value as an antique than as a fighting vessel - it's down more than a decade worth of combat upgrades and retrofits which Sarpati doesn't have access to. I was under the impression that the Molyneaux iapetan was too massive for a group of (lets face it) mostly biologists to successfully maintain and that it was rotting somewhere in Fountain. If they did manage to gut it and spent the last ten years on research and development, it might explain some of their more recent advancements. *Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!*
Rinai Vero Moira. Villore Accords 822	Posted - 2016.04.29 18:44:38 - [19] - Quote I take it you've never flown or faced either the Vigilant-class or the Vindicator-class warships in combat. They are not to be trifled with.
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 282	Posted - 2016.04.29 19:06:07 - [20] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: The Serpentis stole a Solteuer-class titan stolen more than a decade ago, back when titans were a bigger deal than they are today. Nowadays, though, it'd have more value as an antique than as a fighting vessel - it's down more than a decade worth of combat upgrades and retrofits which Sarpati doesn't have access to. Is that the titan we destroyed? Doesn't really look like it. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 370	Posted - 2016.04.29 19:10:25 - [21] - Quote Tabris Katz wrote: I fear the Serpentis Corporation and Sansha's Nation capital fleets are only the tip of a very deep and dangerous iceberg and I'm sure the Angel Cartel is not far behind them. Soon we may be dealing with capital fleets flying under all pirate flags. However if we act quickly, decisively and as an unified front we might be able to contain this nightmare before it overwhelms us. To that effect I'm asking any that cares to join me not just hunting down these capital ship and destroying them, but also destroying their infrastructure. If we can take out their shipyards, mining operations or financial operation we might be able to prevent more capitals from being constructed in the first place. I don't expect everyone to turn all their resources to this task but I fear the consequence if we don't take this seriously. I'll be doing my part in north against the Guristas, it is my hope others will join me. P.S. Jason Galente, what was the security rating of the system in which your corporation encountered the Serpentis titan and dreadnought respectfully, also was encountered in an asteroid belt or at am active Serpentis site? They had the gall to jump it into one of the asteroid belts in our home/staging system, O1Y-ED, which I believe is a -0.27 Security Status system. The Dreadnought was in K4YZ-Y, a -0.30 Security Status system. We've since encountered and destroyed a few more of them, and are starting to analyze their tactics and the composition of the ships. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2818	Posted - 2016.05.11 09:35:03 - [22] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: We've since encountered and destroyed a few more of them, and are starting to analyze their tactics and the composition of the ships. thats great news, keep us posted FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Jason Galente Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 371	Posted - 2016.05.11 16:03:07 - [23] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Jason Galente wrote: We've since encountered and destroyed a few more of them, and are starting to analyze their tactics and the composition of the ships. thats great news, keep us posted Meh, I got bored. Besides, the interested parties have all probably figured it out by now. Best way to kill them seems to be to swarm them with lots of cheap catalysts. Or if you want to hot drop a titan on it, go for it hotshot. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Rook Moray Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 108	Posted - 2016.05.11 17:44:14 - [24] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Jason Galente wrote: We've since encountered and destroyed a few more of them, and are starting to analyze their tactics and the composition of the ships. thats great news, keep us posted Meh, I got bored. Besides, the interested parties have all probably figured it out by now. Best way to kill them seems to be to swarm them with lots of cheap catalysts. Or if you want to hot drop a titan on it, go for it hotshot. We swarmed another one last night...You almost gotta feel sorry for them. GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥ -Guristas Proverb.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 7669	Posted - 2016.05.11 18:27:53 - [25] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Would be nice if Seprentis use these ships against gallentean occupants. You don't know the Federation. If Serpentis parked that titan in the heart of Gallente space everybody would be wanting to dock in it to score some of their fine boosters. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alex Hinkelmann Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 12	Posted - 2016.05.11 19:51:52 - [26] - Quote The Serpentis Dreadnaughts are easily dealt with should a pilot know what they are doing. Just the other day they were removed from a belt with one enyo and two hecate class destroyers with no losses.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1901	Posted - 2016.05.12 00:45:50 - [27] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Andreus Ixiris wrote: The Serpentis stole a Solteuer-class titan stolen more than a decade ago, back when titans were a bigger deal than they are today. Nowadays, though, it'd have more value as an antique than as a fighting vessel - it's down more than a decade worth of combat upgrades and retrofits which Sarpati doesn't have access to. Is that the titan we destroyed? Doesn't really look like it. I think the Solteuer class Titan was among the first generation of, "Pocket" Titans built to provide a degree of jump-bridge support to fleets with lower costs, firepower, and defenses than a proper Iapetan class of Titans currently only owned and operated by CONCORD signatories. They were all mostly replaced by the current generation of Erebus, Leviathan, Ragnarok, and Avatar.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2638	Posted - 2016.05.12 07:33:57 - [28] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Would be nice if Seprentis use these ships against gallentean occupants. You don't know the Federation. If Serpentis parked that titan in the heart of Gallente space everybody would be wanting to dock in it to score some of their fine boosters. Then we could blow it up together with them! Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 2827	Posted - 2016.05.12 08:28:12 - [29] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Would be nice if Seprentis use these ships against gallentean occupants. You don't know the Federation. If Serpentis parked that titan in the heart of Gallente space everybody would be wanting to dock in it to score some of their fine boosters. Then we could blow it up together with them! Lets face it, if Caldari or any of the empire factions possessed the power to blow anything up then none of this would be happening, yet here they are running around doing as they please with little resistance, who really holds the power in New Eden? There's a storm coming, Ms. Kim. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. FETID now recruiting pvp pilots & corporations \| lowsec pvp & piracy - Join FETID Loyalist to Angel Cartel & Serpentis
Sinti Vailatti Angelis Exploration 108	Posted - 2016.05.12 17:48:22 - [30] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Lets face it, if Caldari or any of the empire factions possessed the power to blow anything up then none of this would be happening, yet here they are running around doing as they please with little resistance, who really holds the power in New Eden? There's a storm coming, Ms. Kim. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. This. So much this. GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1901	Posted - 2016.05.12 23:29:31 - [31] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Lets face it, if Caldari or any of the empire factions possessed the power to blow anything up then none of this would be happening, yet here they are running around doing as they please with little resistance, who really holds the power in New Eden? There's a storm coming, Ms. Kim. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. The Caldari or any of the empire factions possess the power to fund CONCORD which incentivizes the destruction of Angel and Serpentis assets by freelance capsuleers through its bounty system. They don't have to directly blow pirates up because capsuleers will do it for them. So yes, if the Angel and Serpentis storm hits I'll quite gladly live large on their bounties and loot while leaving so little of them left in space -- much like I suspect a majority of capsuleers.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 206	Posted - 2016.05.13 18:36:36 - [32] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Would be nice if Seprentis use these ships against gallentean occupants. You don't know the Federation. If Serpentis parked that titan in the heart of Gallente space everybody would be wanting to dock in it to score some of their fine boosters. Then we could blow it up together with them! Lets face it, if Caldari or any of the empire factions possessed the power to blow anything up then none of this would be happening, yet here they are running around doing as they please with little resistance, who really holds the power in New Eden? There's a storm coming, Ms. Kim. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us. I think you may have gotten the switch flipped on this one Pilot Wang... (!?) The empires have a lot bigger fish to fry than what amounts to a Cartel with an active militia. Remember the empires are currently in a strenuous peace with each other. One of the leaders was executed by a relatively unknown alien race that made piecemeal of some of our largest weapons and the Concord designated war zones have become stagnant as more and more capsuleers realize the cyclical nature of the combat. Even with supercapital vessels the Serpentis and Angel's (even combined) represent a categorically negligible threat by comparison. Remember Sansha's Nation? Their incursions still happened with little to no fanfare in mainstream media. Why? Because the threat negligible. So much so that it's easier to send us, the capsuleers, a notoriously fickle and volatile bunch if there ever was one, to clean up the mess.
Sinjin Mokk Angelis Exploration 865	Posted - 2016.05.13 20:00:02 - [33] - Quote Vizage wrote: I think you may have gotten the switch flipped on this one Pilot Wang... (!?) The empires have a lot bigger fish to fry than what amounts to a Cartel with an active militia. Remember the empires are currently in a strenuous peace with each other. One of the leaders was executed by a relatively unknown alien race that made piecemeal of some of our largest weapons and the Concord designated war zones have become stagnant as more and more capsuleers realize the cyclical nature of the combat. Even with supercapital vessels the Serpentis and Angel's (even combined) represent a categorically negligible threat by comparison. Remember Sansha's Nation? Their incursions still happened with little to no fanfare in mainstream media. Why? Because the threat negligible. So much so that it's easier to send us, the capsuleers, a notoriously fickle and volatile bunch if there ever was one, to clean up the mess. Ms. Vizage, I'm not sure what backwater moon you may have hailed from, but let's take a moment to fly a dreadnought through the holes in what you've just stated. The Angel Cartel has been around for the better part of a century. In all that time, despite all the recent advances in technology and warfare, the "empires" and CONCORD have been not able to prevent us from conducting business. This includes the Jovians, who made little to no real effort in preventing us from setting up shop in their former home. Groups like Serpentis and the Guristas, for all their faults have amassed a very respectable degree of personnel, ISK and sovereignty. So too, the Bloodraiders. And for all that is wrong with Bloody Omir, he's stood up to the Amarr Empire and thrived. Take a look at the star charts of the systems our four organizations hold and consider how many resources we have at our disposal. Consider the costs of running a small Capsuleer-run corporation and how the loss of multiple dreadnoughts could adversely effect or even destroy one and then consider how much more available material Serpentis has if it can rapidly make and lose dreadnoughts with no appreciable effect to their operations. And these four "criminal" organizations have completed the bulk of their work long before Capsuleers came along. Then consider the current wars among Capsuleer corporations. Look at how much the Goons, Pandemic Legion/Horde, TEST and many others have been able to accomplish in just a decade. Can you imagine what the Goons will like when they have the same amount of years under their belt as the Cartel? Finally, the Sansha. How many tens if not hundreds of millions of people have been lost to them? This isn't a problem in media's lack of reporting, their success all boils down to the continued failure one organization. CONCORD. And history has shown that neither CONCORD, nor the 'empires" are equipped to handle the current , let alone emergent threats. The only thing they've been able to do, is keep the core worlds of each empire somewhat secure. But space is oh so much bigger. And we have all the time in the world to create the perfect storm. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Therable Multicultural F1 Brigade 1902	Posted - 2016.05.13 20:20:05 - [34] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: And we have all the time in the world to create the perfect storm. I would say it's more all the time in the world to issue non-specific threats in lieu of presenting a substantial or credible threat.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 206	Posted - 2016.05.13 20:52:02 - [35] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Vizage wrote: I think you may have gotten the switch flipped on this one Pilot Wang... (!?) The empires have a lot bigger fish to fry than what amounts to a Cartel with an active militia. Remember the empires are currently in a strenuous peace with each other. One of the leaders was executed by a relatively unknown alien race that made piecemeal of some of our largest weapons and the Concord designated war zones have become stagnant as more and more capsuleers realize the cyclical nature of the combat. Even with supercapital vessels the Serpentis and Angel's (even combined) represent a categorically negligible threat by comparison. Remember Sansha's Nation? Their incursions still happened with little to no fanfare in mainstream media. Why? Because the threat negligible. So much so that it's easier to send us, the capsuleers, a notoriously fickle and volatile bunch if there ever was one, to clean up the mess. Ms. Vizage, I'm not sure what backwater moon you may have hailed from, but let's take a moment to fly a dreadnought through the holes in what you've just stated. The Angel Cartel has been around for the better part of a century. In all that time, despite all the recent advances in technology and warfare, the "empires" and CONCORD have been not able to prevent us from conducting business. This includes the Jovians, who made little to no real effort in preventing us from setting up shop in their former home. Groups like Serpentis and the Guristas, for all their faults have amassed a very respectable degree of personnel, ISK and sovereignty. So too, the Bloodraiders. And for all that is wrong with Bloody Omir, he's stood up to the Amarr Empire and thrived. Take a look at the star charts of the systems our four organizations hold and consider how many resources we have at our disposal. Consider the costs of running a small Capsuleer-run corporation and how the loss of multiple dreadnoughts could adversely effect or even destroy one and then consider how much more available material Serpentis has if it can rapidly make and lose dreadnoughts with no appreciable effect to their operations. And these four "criminal" organizations have completed the bulk of their work long before Capsuleers came along. Then consider the current wars among Capsuleer corporations. Look at how much the Goons, Pandemic Legion/Horde, TEST and many others have been able to accomplish in just a decade. Can you imagine what the Goons will like when they have the same amount of years under their belt as the Cartel? Finally, the Sansha. How many tens if not hundreds of millions of people have been lost to them? This isn't a problem in media's lack of reporting, their success all boils down to the continued failure one organization. CONCORD. And history has shown that neither CONCORD, nor the 'empires" are equipped to handle the current , let alone emergent threats. The only thing they've been able to do, is keep the core worlds of each empire somewhat secure. But space is oh so much bigger. And we have all the time in the world to create the perfect storm. With all due respect pilot Mokk, what you seem to distinctly lack here is a perspective of scale. To put things in perspective let me ask you a simple question. Name an exact instance when any of the empires has explicitly mobilized against one of these "pirate" factions with the express intention of destroying them. There is one instance that comes to mind and that is of Sansha's Nation. Do you remember how well that went for them? Nearly completely obliteration. An attack so devastating it took the Nation quite a few years before it could launch its "retribution war" which amounts to little more than a salvage operation for most seasoned incursion operators. You may claim whatever you like about their lofty ideas and grandiose schemes Pilot Mokk, or point to the underdeveloped and over exploited regions neighboring high security space as proof of their strength. But the evidence is rather clear. Should these "pirate" nations do something that the four empires find inscrutable they would likely suffer the same fate as Nation. The reason these factions continue to operate is much more likely the cause of them making themselves deliberately to time or resource consuming for any of them empires to bother. And that's not even considering what multi-level corruption could be inherent in any of the four empires that incentivses not wiping them out. But make no mistake. I feel like I've said this a few thousand times now but, if you think these factions actually pose a credible military threat to any of the big four. You simply do not understand how big these empires actually are.
Sinjin Mokk Angelis Exploration 865	Posted - 2016.05.13 22:28:27 - [36] - Quote Vizage wrote: With all due respect pilot Mokk, what you seem to distinctly lack here is a perspective of scale. To put things in perspective let me ask you a simple question. Name an exact instance when any of the empires has explicitly mobilized against one of these "pirate" factions with the express intention of destroying them. There is one instance that comes to mind and that is of Sansha's Nation. Do you remember how well that went for them? Nearly completely obliteration. An attack so devastating it took the Nation quite a few years before it could launch its "retribution war" which amounts to little more than a salvage operation for most seasoned incursion operators. You may claim whatever you like about their lofty ideas and grandiose schemes Pilot Mokk, or point to the underdeveloped and over exploited regions neighboring high security space as proof of their strength. But the evidence is rather clear. Should these "pirate" nations do something that the four empires find inscrutable they would likely suffer the same fate as Nation. The reason these factions continue to operate is much more likely the cause of them making themselves deliberately to time or resource consuming for any of them empires to bother. And that's not even considering what multi-level corruption could be inherent in any of the four empires that incentivses not wiping them out. But make no mistake. I feel like I've said this a few thousand times now but, if you think these factions actually pose a credible military threat to any of the big four. You simply do not understand how big these empires actually are. What you seem to lack is an attachment to history and facts. Back in '06 and '07 the Raiders made a big push against Amarr and Khanid. The Empire pushed back, but failed and both have been fighting border skirmishes ever since. Think about that. The Empire can't handle the Raiders (I spent a good portion of my career fighting them, so I know this from firsthand experience). What you fail to understand about the Nation is that yes, all the empires banded together to stop him. Did it work? No. And five years ago his Incursions started and have continued to this day. While the Empress-apparent was watching her team win her the Crown, Sansha forces were fighting in Sarum Prime ONE JUMP AWAY. The Empire mobilized against the Drifters and that didn't work so well either. Should the "pirate nations" do something to band the empires together, we'd meet the same fate as Sansha? What? You mean we'd win? Because he certainly hasn't lost. I've fought for the Kingdom, the Empire and the State. I know full well their capabilities. I've fought against everything the Federation, Republic, Raiders and Nation could throw at me. Now, as an Archangel, I can see with much clearer vision the cracks in the armor of those whom you think keep you safe. And eventually, someone is going to exploit those weaknesses. "Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 208	Posted - 2016.05.13 23:55:35 - [37] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: What you seem to lack is an attachment to history and facts. Back in '06 and '07 the Raiders made a big push against Amarr and Khanid. The Empire pushed back, but failed and both have been fighting border skirmishes ever since. Think about that. The Empire can't handle the Raiders (I spent a good portion of my career fighting them, so I know this from firsthand experience). What you fail to understand about the Nation is that yes, all the empires banded together to stop him. Did it work? No. And five years ago his Incursions started and have continued to this day. While the Empress-apparent was watching her team win her the Crown, Sansha forces were fighting in Sarum Prime ONE JUMP AWAY. The Empire mobilized against the Drifters and that didn't work so well either. Should the "pirate nations" do something to band the empires together, we'd meet the same fate as Sansha? What? You mean we'd win? Because he certainly hasn't lost. I've fought for the Kingdom, the Empire and the State. I know full well their capabilities. I've fought against everything the Federation, Republic, Raiders and Nation could throw at me. Now, as an Archangel, I can see with much clearer vision the cracks in the armor of those whom you think keep you safe. And eventually, someone is going to exploit those weaknesses. I'm going to have to break this response up as sometimes it seems you're doing the arguing for. So let's work through this in the order you presented. Perhaps I'm wrong but I think you are referring to the events occurring in the bleak lands. When the Blood Raiders attack Imperial assets in......The bleak lands. Now I'm not sure what is more troubling here, you attempting to ridicule my historical accuracy or the fact that you conflate attacking Imperial assets in The Bleak Lands with winning some kind of war. At best it's a successful guerilla campaign, at worst an opportunistic strike against a microscopic portion or the Imperial Navy's might. On the second topic, this one I find myself deeply confused about. Do you actually think that an attack on Sarum Prime that the Empress to be at the time could be so little bothered by that she'd rather attend a bloodsport is an argument for the might of Sansha's nation? Really? Thirdly, the drifters as I've already said do represent a clear and present threat. Their technology is incredibly advanced, but we aren't talking about them, and they haven't alluded to their motives quite yet have they? Finally, I think a discussion about what you consider "winning" is in order, as nearly being wiped out only to be able to escape, go into hiding for years and return only to be killed (at least presumably as most people I've spoken to think) is most certainly not the definition I would take when referring to intergalactic conquest.

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