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Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.01 19:59:38 -
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I'm an excellent leader, and I'm for sale!
Eveboard
3 remaps available
No Kill Rights
Positive Wallet
GÇó Can fly Gallente Command Ship (Armor and Skirmish bonus')
GÇó Can fit T2 links for all boosting disciplines except mining
GÇó Armored Warfare V
GÇó Armored Warfare Specialist V
GÇó Information Warfare V
GÇó Information Warfare Specialist V
GÇó Siege Warfare V
GÇó Siege Warfare Specialist V
GÇó Skirmish Warfare V
GÇó Skirmish Warfare Specialist V
GÇó Warfare Link Specialist V
GÇó Cybernetics V
GÇó Gallente Battlecruiser V
GÇó Command Ships IV - Approximately 2 weeks from Command Ships V
13 billion |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.02 01:41:42 -
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Still for sale |
Abatar
Kernite Kollectors
4
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Posted - 2016.05.02 07:36:42 -
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7b |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.03 00:44:05 -
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Still for sale. |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.04 00:45:37 -
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Every day you wake up is a good day! Especially if that's the day you buy me! |
Dutch Blain
Triangulum Special Services
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Posted - 2016.05.04 01:20:09 -
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Good leadership skills but check your math. The injectors might be worth 14B ISK on the open, but your net is really $10B ISK because you had to buy the extractors for just under 400M ISK each. Seems closer to the character's value.
Bump for the leadership skills though. |
Archetypal Villain
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.04 01:37:50 -
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7.5b |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.04 05:19:33 -
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Dutch Blain wrote:Good leadership skills but check your math. The injectors might be worth 14B ISK on the open, but your net is really $10B ISK because you had to buy the extractors for just under 400M ISK each. Seems closer to the character's value.
Bump for the leadership skills though.
I must be missing something then - when I looked today, the price was MORE than 600 million per injector in jita using eve central. Using 600 million flat as the per injector cost got me to my figures.
I've been out of the game a while - is eve central no longer close enough for ballpark figures, or is there something else I'm missing here? |
Knitram Relik
Running With Railguns
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Posted - 2016.05.04 05:30:56 -
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Guss Gussy wrote:Dutch Blain wrote:Good leadership skills but check your math. The injectors might be worth 14B ISK on the open, but your net is really $10B ISK because you had to buy the extractors for just under 400M ISK each. Seems closer to the character's value.
Bump for the leadership skills though. I must be missing something then - when I looked today, the price was MORE than 600 million per injector in jita using eve central. Using 600 million flat as the per injector cost got me to my figures. I've been out of the game a while - is eve central no longer close enough for ballpark figures, or is there something else I'm missing here?
Most people don't look at what it would cost to build a character when assessing value. The look at how much they could get if they milked it dry and sold the extractors. By my math your char. has an extracted value of just under 7 billion. This is assuming one buys the extractors and resells the injectors at Jita. Taxes included in this calculation. |
Damien Prowl
The PRIVILEGED
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Posted - 2016.05.04 07:25:07 -
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Lokk i do the math for you
15 Mio SP you have
10 Mio are extractable (5 Mio are not, that's why there are a quintillion stripped chars with 5 Mio SP are on the Bazaar)
10 Mio SP -> 20 Full Injectors a 620 Mio ISK
BUT you need to buy Extractors (20 x 230 Mio)
and dont forget the taxes selling your Injectors
So -> Price Injector-tax-Extractor is around 390 Mio ISK
390Mio ISK x 20= 7.8 Bio in best case....
So good luck selling,
but nice Char you have there though |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.04 14:27:25 -
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I understand now. You people are saying that my character is only worth his salvage value as opposed to his replacement value. I disagree GÇô you donGÇÖt go to a car dealership and offer them the salvage value of their vehicle.
Salvage value is also not something that would typically apply to characters, as salvage value relates to depreciation of an asset, but a character would typically only appreciate in value. At least this one should anyway because the account is going to remain active, meaning the character will continue to train, thus increasing his overall effectiveness, and overall worth.
So though I now understand what you people are saying for his value, I reject your reality and substitute my own :-). The replacement value of my character is more than 17 b, which means that it would cost more than 17 b to make the relevant parts of this character. Someone GÇô somewhere GÇô is going to want this character for use and not just resale. IGÇÖm going to hold out for that person.
So GÇô no - I disagree that my character is only worth 7 or 8 b. I believe heGÇÖs worth 17, and IGÇÖm asking 15 b.
Thanks for helping me understand your peopleGÇÖs logic though. Personally GÇô I think youGÇÖre just trying to undervalue characters so you can resell for a stupid amount of profit, because I know youGÇÖre smart enough to understand salvage value.
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Nile Yproks
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.05.04 21:10:29 -
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Sadly this is what CCP has done to the character market and sadly the others in this thread are correct.
13,221,989 SP - 5,500,000 = 7,721,989 SP that can be extracted = 5,393,035,557.76 ISK approx.
A 5.5m SP char sells for 3b max, making this character worth around 8-9b max.
You can keep it on the forums and ask what you like but the math doesn't lie. This character will never sell for 15b... ever.
Good luck. |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.04 21:44:25 -
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I don't understand why the salvage value dictates the value of characters. The value of a character is what it would cost to make that same character yourself.
GÇó You offer me 5 billion because that's what I can get for selling my skills via extractors.
GÇó I say no.
GÇó You say you'll make one yourself because I'm overpriced.
GÇó You spend more than the 15 billion I'm asking for in order to create this same character.
I don't think it's CCP that's causing the prices of characters to drop, but rather the players themselves by following this flawed logic. |
Mister McDerp
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2016.05.04 21:49:39 -
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I like you Guss |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.05 02:38:41 -
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Ha - thanks Derp!
Back to the top. The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced I have this right. A $150,000 house does not have $150,000 worth of lumber and materials in it, but you still pay $150,000! The sum of the whole is worth more than that of it's parts! |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2016.05.06 02:17:37 -
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Just your friendly neighborhood booster doing his daily check in |
Kikaali Kurvora
A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum
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Posted - 2016.05.06 02:33:36 -
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Guss Gussy wrote:I don't understand why the salvage value dictates the value of characters. The value of a character is what it would cost to make that same character yourself.
GÇó You offer me 5 billion because that's what I can get for selling my skills via extractors.
GÇó I say no.
GÇó You say you'll make one yourself because I'm overpriced.
GÇó You spend more than the 15 billion I'm asking for in order to create this same character.
I don't think it's CCP that's causing the prices of characters to drop, but rather the players themselves by following this flawed logic.
You are basing your math on the price of skill injectors to INSTANTLY create a character though.
Up until extractors came out, Characters were based on the cost to create the character based on approximately 2 mil SP per month @ 1 plex for a months subscription.
Approx 10% was added on top of this as profit for the character creator.
@13mil SP, it would take approx 6.5 plex to make your toon from scratch = just over 6.1 bil ISK.
Due to the SP you have, this is almost exactly what you would get from stripping the toon.
Once a character hits over about 15mil SP, the price difference between 'Then' and 'Now' increases dramatically (in favour of the seller).
Some toons that would have sold for X Bil before extractors are now worth 1.5 times their previous price or more.
You just happen to be in the SP range where Old price = new price (approximately)
(take this as a free bump) |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.08 01:05:13 -
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Still training, still for sale! |
Guss Gussy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.05.08 21:51:47 -
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Well good thing none of you bought him because I now have a use for him again. No longer actively trying to sell, but am always willing to listen to reasonable offers. You know - something close to his replacement cost... |
Hanaya Yazira
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.08 22:20:18 -
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6B
If I win a bid please send me an eve mail as might not see your post.
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