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Almarez
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Posted - 2007.02.23 16:48:00 -
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Excuse my ignorance but what are privateers?
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:02:00 -
[32]
 Originally by: Almarez
Excuse my ignorance but what are privateers?
Heh, in a nutshell:
Privateer Alliance is an alliance of several dozen corps, all of whom generally work independently. Privateers charges a 50mil/week membership fee and with that money it declares war on as many of the major alliances as possible, as well as some we are contracted to wardec. Wardecs allowing fighting in hisec of course, so this means that at any point in time most systems have people in it who are at war with Privateers. For the Privateer, this means an abundance of targets in hisec, essentially making hisec a little like 0.0.
Alot of people hate us because they think what we're doing is unfair, mostly because they know nothing about PvP and consequently get smashed. Privateers aren't griefers or bullies, we just like PvP without the emptiness of losec or the politics and lag of 0.0.
We have a great deal of fun. 
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
To be honest, if Privateers want to talk about dishonourable conduct, what they're doing isn't exactly the honourable thing... Have they ever killed a combat ready ship?
Well, on the Privateer killboards the list of most frequently destroyed ship types has exactly one industrial a Badger Mk II which is ranked number 6 with Caracals and Drakes on position 1 and 2.
I'll have to admit that there's 3 different types of shuttles on it, too - Top Tip: fly Minmatar Shuttles to increase your chance of survival!
But then who am I to counter a bit of cheesy propaganda with some badly laundered statistics?
Family Tahar, of Clan Hadar, of Caravan of Namtz'Aar K'in |
Gneiss Phace
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
And corps that join PRVTR, can't take it and leave, never to return are not a factor in the equation. Those would be your 'cowards'. But if they're cowards then what does that make all the BoB or LV pilots in HACs and CBCs who flee in terror from my mighty... Harpy? They are surely the worst cowards, may they be struck from the face of Eve and be banished to 0.7 mining for the rest of their subscriptions...
This ignores a major factor in what you do, and why people hate your alliance so much.
When an 0.0 alliance pilot is in empire, it's because they need to buy stuff. So when they get to empire, they're usually dumping a lot of cash for themselves and their corpmates.
If you want to call someone a coward for not engaging when they've got 500m in their cargohold, you've got issues.
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Heh, in a nutshell:
Privateer Alliance is an alliance of several dozen corps, all of whom generally work independently. Privateers charges a 50mil/week membership fee and with that money it declares war on as many of the major alliances as possible, as well as some we are contracted to wardec. Wardecs allowing fighting in hisec of course, so this means that at any point in time most systems have people in it who are at war with Privateers. For the Privateer, this means an abundance of targets in hisec, essentially making hisec a little like 0.0.
Alot of people hate us because they think what we're doing is unfair, mostly because they know nothing about PvP and consequently get smashed. Privateers aren't griefers or bullies, we just like PvP without the emptiness of losec or the politics and lag of 0.0.
We have a great deal of fun.
Actually, I think most of your victims think it is unfair because they were under the illusion that that high-security meant safety. They are people who just want to create a simple corporation of friends and experience the game without getting into ship-based PvP, thus they keep their corporation in high-security, believing that Concord will protect them.
Unfortunately, when Privateers war declares their friendly little corporation, it turns the players who thought they were safe and had no interest in ship-based PvP into "fish in a barrel", with the Privateers holding the shotgun pointed at the water.
The approach the Privateers have taken is legal (and quite smart in how they're using game mechanics to accomplish their own goals), but unfortunately CCP has not seen fit to give people who want to be in the same corp together but avoid ship-based PvP a way to do so without being at risk of being turned into fish-bits. CCP could easily remedy this situation by either allowing corporations to pay "protection money" to Concord, so that they can't be war dec'd, or by allowing players to join any NPC corporation they want. The latter solution would allow a group of friends to all join the same NPC corporation (NPC corps can't be war dec'd).
Personally, I'd like to see someone be able to pay Concord to be exempt from war declarations and make it so that you can only pay said fee if you are not already war dec'd. Thus, you have to start paying the fee before someone tries to come after you and you'd have to keep your payments current (as in paying once per week). It'd be like an insurance policy with Concord to make sure they'd never turn their head the other way. :)
Wred
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:35:00 -
[36]
Originally by: WredStorm
CCP could easily remedy this situation by either allowing corporations to pay "protection money" to Concord, so that they can't be war dec'd...
They can surrender? Infact more than half of our wardecs are followed by a surrender less than an hour later.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:44:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: WredStorm
CCP could easily remedy this situation by either allowing corporations to pay "protection money" to Concord, so that they can't be war dec'd...
They can surrender? Infact more than half of our wardecs are followed by a surrender less than an hour later.
Hmm possible indication they dont want to play with you or your playstyle..
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Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom.
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FuzzBuzz
Caldari
Templars of Space
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:51:00 -
[38]
what happens when you surrender
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DOARota
Gallente
Drones of Annihilation
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.02.23 17:56:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jangus McGee
Edited by: Jangus McGee on 23/02/2007 01:12:36
Here's a quick list of the corps that have left Privateers in the last week and a half. If you feel like it, steal from these cowards too.
Corp:
letter of marque
Known Pilots:
Solaris04
purgary
athena brittany
Sral TBear
ChaosChampion
Flibblegarp
Wikster
Notes: This corporation claims to have reset all corps/alliances to neutral. (Unconfirmed)
Corp:
Drones of Annihilation
Known Pilots:
killmore
awhiplash
MrCue
Ronin Bloodangel
DOARota
Evenfall Phoenix
Tysenus
DoaSparks
doaeviltwin
DOARotadyne
DOATurtle
Catfish Marmalade
Aenigma
DOABolt
DrunkenDwarf
Notes:
This list is a work in progress.
We left to go back to 0.0 to a different war. If that makes us cowards in your view, so be it. I won't return the smack you threw at us, but a reply is in my bio.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: FuzzBuzz
what happens when you surrender
yeahh what happens? Its too distant concept to be tought about before!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Marquis Dean on 23/02/2007 18:05:29
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: WredStorm
CCP could easily remedy this situation by either allowing corporations to pay "protection money" to Concord, so that they can't be war dec'd...
They can surrender? Infact more than half of our wardecs are followed by a surrender less than an hour later.
Hmm possible indication they dont want to play with you or your playstyle..
Why should we give a rats ass what they want?
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Jarling Fang
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:13:00 -
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OP: This sort of thing has been going on for some time now. Its not unusual to find a few third party ships loitering around a Privateer gate camp, like circling vultures waiting for the kill 
You can find the same phenomenon at Jita 4-4; people are getting capped there 24/7, and immediately after a kill you will see a swarm of ships decend upon it, bumping each other around, looting, salvaging and grabbing deactivated drones in a big feeding frenzy. It's like watching National Geographic special or Shark Week on the Disco channel, only with laser beams (sharks with frikkin laser beams? heh!) 
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Jarling Fang
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:13:00 -
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OP: This sort of thing has been going on for some time now. Its not unusual to find a few third party ships loitering around a Privateer gate camp, like circling vultures waiting for the kill
You can find the same phenomenon at Jita 4-4; people are getting capped there 24/7, and immediately after a kill you will see a swarm of ships decend upon it, bumping each other around, looting, salvaging and grabbing deactivated drones in a big feeding frenzy. It's like watching National Geographic special or Shark Week on the Disco channel, only with laser beams (sharks with frikkin laser beams? heh!)
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
They can surrender? Infact more than half of our wardecs are followed by a surrender less than an hour later.
As others have asked, what happens when they surrender? Does it cost them some exhorbitant bribe or such? Does the war declaring corp/alliance have to accept the surrender?
It still would leave them open to being war declared by someone else, though, so unless it costs them nothing to surrender (which seems an odd concept to me - why wouldn't every carebear corp just surrender immediately) then it really wouldn't accomplish the same thing as being able to pay Concord to always protect them.
Wred
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WredStorm
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:18:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
They can surrender? Infact more than half of our wardecs are followed by a surrender less than an hour later.
As others have asked, what happens when they surrender? Does it cost them some exhorbitant bribe or such? Does the war declaring corp/alliance have to accept the surrender?
It still would leave them open to being war declared by someone else, though, so unless it costs them nothing to surrender (which seems an odd concept to me - why wouldn't every carebear corp just surrender immediately) then it really wouldn't accomplish the same thing as being able to pay Concord to always protect them.
Wred
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Larkonis Trassler
g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.23 18:31:00 -
[46]
Originally by: WredStorm
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Heh, in a nutshell:
Privateer Alliance is an alliance of several dozen corps, all of whom generally work independently. Privateers charges a 50mil/week membership fee and with that money it declares war on as many of the major alliances as possible, as well as some we are contracted to wardec. Wardecs allowing fighting in hisec of course, so this means that at any point in time most systems have people in it who are at war with Privateers. For the Privateer, this means an abundance of targets in hisec, essentially making hisec a little like 0.0.
Alot of people hate us because they think what we're doing is unfair, mostly because they know nothing about PvP and consequently get smashed. Privateers aren't griefers or bullies, we just like PvP without the emptiness of losec or the politics and lag of 0.0.
We have a great deal of fun.
Actually, I think most of your victims think it is unfair because they were under the illusion that that high-security meant safety. They are people who just want to create a simple corporation of friends and experience the game without getting into ship-based PvP, thus they keep their corporation in high-security, believing that Concord will protect them.
Unfortunately, when Privateers war declares their friendly little corporation, it turns the players who thought they were safe and had no interest in ship-based PvP into "fish in a barrel", with the Privateers holding the shotgun pointed at the water.
The approach the Privateers have taken is legal (and quite smart in how they're using game mechanics to accomplish their own goals), but unfortunately CCP has not seen fit to give people who want to be in the same corp together but avoid ship-based PvP a way to do so without being at risk of being turned into fish-bits. CCP could easily remedy this situation by either allowing corporations to pay "protection money" to Concord, so that they can't be war dec'd, or by allowing players to join any NPC corporation they want. The latter solution would allow a group of friends to all join the same NPC corporation (NPC corps can't be war dec'd).
Personally, I'd like to see someone be able to pay Concord to be exempt from war declarations and make it so that you can only pay said fee if you are not already war dec'd. Thus, you have to start paying the fee before someone tries to come after you and you'd have to keep your payments current (as in paying once per week). It'd be like an insurance policy with Concord to make sure they'd never turn their head the other way. :)
Wred
I'm sorry, but the myth that Privateers will dec any old little corp on a whim is just that... A MYTH. When I was in Privateers the majority of Corps decced were large scale, and Alliances, well they should be able to hold their own anyway. Deccing a n00ber corp is not cost effective and targets will be few and far between and probably not give good fights or drop decent lewts. This is one thing I don't understand, when a dec is inbound people think the sky is falling, members quit in droves, whole corporations up and leave. The fact that Privateers have SO MANY targets is their biggest weakness. YOU WILL NOT BE ACTIVELY HUNTED. Privateers aren't out just for you/your corp/your alliance, so stop moaning and get on with it. Put some stabs and nanos on that hauler, watch local, use the intel channels, just FFS stop whining.
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Yosh Hoo
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:42:00 -
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bump, since theres like 80 new corps that are at war with them.
STEAL like no other
some of the privateers know me quiet well, they HATE me, hating to the point of setting a ship up to suicide gank me. 10 jump chasing. spending there time bumping me. gang spam
it is quite profitable when you get to steal from them, but waiting for the ganks is god damn boring. since theres 80 new corps, i think i will make alot of money.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
bump, since theres like 80 new corps that are at war with them.
STEAL like no other
some of the privateers know me quiet well, they HATE me, hating to the point of setting a ship up to suicide gank me. 10 jump chasing. spending there time bumping me. gang spam
it is quite profitable when you get to steal from them, but waiting for the ganks is god damn boring. since theres 80 new corps, i think i will make alot of money.
This thread was ageing micely thanks. And well done for stroking your e-peen about stealing from PRVTR. I'm sure no one chases you or even remembers you, because everyone steals from PRVTR, you are no exception apart from that's all you do, which is kinda pathetic.
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Originally by: Foopadoo
Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:58:00 -
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This is an awesome topic. Represents everything about the privateers in a nutshell.
"We hate you cuz ur 'sploiters and we can't fight back!"
"Here's how you can fight back with the exact same tools."
"We still hate you cuz ur 'sploiters. We don't like playing wif u!"
Tough beans daddy-oh.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:11:00 -
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You might be a carebear if.......
....You are worried about the privateers.
.....You think privateers are somehow destroying the game.
.......You need an alt post to teach you how to loot wrecks in empire
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Yosh Hoo
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:08:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Herculite
You might be a carebear if.......
....You are worried about the privateers.
.....You think privateers are somehow destroying the game.
.......You need an alt post to teach you how to loot wrecks in empire
i dont think they are destroying the game it a good concept, but needs to be fixed so people who are war deced can get out as easily as they are decced, fair is fair.
i use a alt because i dont want my corp to have perma war dec, plus the directors wouldn't like it that a person in there corp got the entire corp war deced.
a npc corp is immune from privateers so its the only way to conduct legit business with no real problem arising.
oh they do know who i am, well some of them definitely do. they will be paying for my play time when i come to empire in my main and get ganked, they are good at what they do and i cant compete, but its fun spending there cash.
i will continue to rally more thief's, easy isk to be made people.
up
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:24:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
i use a alt because i dont want my corp to have perma war dec, plus the directors wouldn't like it that a person in there corp got the entire corp war deced.
God you're pathetic. You admit you can't take the heat but you still need to smack on the forums.
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Originally by: Foopadoo
Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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Yosh Hoo
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Posted - 2007.03.15 18:56:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
i use a alt because i dont want my corp to have perma war dec, plus the directors wouldn't like it that a person in there corp got the entire corp war deced.
God you're pathetic. You admit you can't take the heat but you still need to smack on the forums.
pathetic, no im not.
i would be god damn stupid to do as you say, if my corp wanted to be perma war deced then there would be no problem, but since the majority dont, it would be COMMON sense to use a alt.
i havent really smacked either. are you a privateer alt? you would think most people wouldnt have a problem with one or the other since they both doing the job intended.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:07:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
i use a alt because i dont want my corp to have perma war dec, plus the directors wouldn't like it that a person in there corp got the entire corp war deced.
God you're pathetic. You admit you can't take the heat but you still need to smack on the forums.
pathetic, no im not.
i would be god damn stupid to do as you say, if my corp wanted to be perma war deced then there would be no problem, but since the majority dont, it would be COMMON sense to use a alt.
i havent really smacked either. are you a privateer alt? you would think most people wouldnt have a problem with one or the other since they both doing the job intended.
I'm usually in PRVTR. I'm having a break to carebear cause i've got no money. And yeah you are pretty pathetic. Eve is such an expansive and complex game, and you're spending your time taking other people's stuff purely for the spite of it.
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Originally by: Foopadoo
Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:18:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Herculite
You might be a carebear if.......
....You are worried about the privateers.
.....You think privateers are somehow destroying the game.
.......You need an alt post to teach you how to loot wrecks in empire
You are a ganktard if...
....You attack other people knowing they cannot defend themselves.
.....You play the game w/o regard or concern for how others play it.
......You think that fighting and PvP is the only game there is
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This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom.
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hedfunk
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:19:00 -
[56]
lol, whatever floats your boat.
Come back Marquis Dean, we lurve you!
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Yosh Hoo
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Posted - 2007.03.15 19:36:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Yosh Hoo
i use a alt because i dont want my corp to have perma war dec, plus the directors wouldn't like it that a person in there corp got the entire corp war deced.
God you're pathetic. You admit you can't take the heat but you still need to smack on the forums.
pathetic, no im not.
i would be god damn stupid to do as you say, if my corp wanted to be perma war deced then there would be no problem, but since the majority dont, it would be COMMON sense to use a alt.
i havent really smacked either. are you a privateer alt? you would think most people wouldnt have a problem with one or the other since they both doing the job intended.
I'm usually in PRVTR. I'm having a break to carebear cause i've got no money. And yeah you are pretty pathetic. Eve is such an expansive and complex game, and you're spending your time taking other people's stuff purely for the spite of it.
welcome to the post, people who are new
let me present mr irony Marquis Dean 
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:06:00 -
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God I must be bored at work to respond to this.
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
You are a ganktard if...
"....You attack other people knowing they cannot defend themselves."
Defense begins before you undock. If you put yourself in a position where you could not defend yourself you didn't use your most important weapon, your brain.
".....You play the game w/o regard or concern for how others play it."
I'm not quite sure what this means. I play the game my way, you play the game yours. I think you meant to say 'you don't care if you spoil other peoples fun' but this is a game based around competition, be it direct like combat, or indirect like economic. Losing is never fun.
"......You think that fighting and PvP is the only game there is"
Every aspect of EvE can be a form of PvP. Maybe mission running isn't a form a PvP (if you don't sell the items) but if you play only for the mission running I'd recommend a better PVE game, EvE's missions are the least thought out, part of the game.
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Roue
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Felysta Sandorn
A way to improve this, set Privateers to -5 standing, this will show them as orange negative in your local, so you can jump in see 5 Privateers and 10 IAC and think 'woot'...
To be honest, if Privateers want to talk about dishonourable conduct, what they're doing isn't exactly the honourable thing... Have they ever killed a combat ready ship?
Have we ever killed a combat ready ship?
Let's see I've engaged in probably a dozen 1v1's in my arbitrator vs other t1 cruisers and won. Some of the best pvp I've had, including an awesome 5 minute long 1v1 vs a thorax that was exceptional.
Also engaged a brutix in my arbitrator 1v1 and won. A raven in my curse, tried to take a rokh in my curse but I got ganked by a group from another alliance that was running around looking for fair and honorable fights with their blob. /sarcasm.
I've never deceived a 1v1. I've never dishonored a ransom. I've almost always taken up a challenge, except when it seems I'm the one about to get lied to and ganked.
I kill haulers all the time but if you saw a hauler who was a war target jump through by himself and you blew him up to find 300million in drone minerals. Or an Occator with 1 billion isk in mins and equipment and half survived. Well would you not attack every dang hauler that you came across? Gimme a break.
If you want to blame anyone for the number of hauler kills we get you should blame the fools who fly with no scouts and tremendous goods in haulers in empire at war with us.
Oh and respect to those who've I've fought, all the great conversations I've had after the great fights I've won and lost with all those who played. And el oh el to all those who've evemailed me threats and convo'd me with curses.
This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives, |
Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:55:00 -
[60]
Originally by: hedfunk
lol, whatever floats your boat.
Come back Marquis Dean, we lurve you!
I desperately had to own a Rattlesnake, i'll be back when I hit 300 mil!
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Originally by: Foopadoo
Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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