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Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:17:00 - [1] I have been in an alliance with the first titan, i have suffered losses to a titan and I have to say that they are really in danger of unsettling this game. The idea that you can have 1 guy completely wipe out 100+ ships in one click is to me ridiculous. Remember that every single one of those 100+ pilots is a real person, carefully selecting his ship and fittings, spending 200m+ plus on a fleet BS only to get the whole fleet wiped out in 1 click. They are killing big fleet battles and soon all you are going to see is small ceptor gangs roaming around ganking each other because if your target has a titan more and more people are simply saying "I am not taking a bs as we cant get a decent fight as as soon as we line up they will just hit a cyno and blast the whole fleet". Make a titan so it can destroy a single ship with ease, or having a large blast radius or something but being able to wipe out an entire grid - no, its too much. And yes, i did help to build one so i know what goes into making it etc etc.
Red Crown Kudzu Collective	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:07:00 - [2] The end result is flawed, not the concept. I agree that the DD is unbalanced due to the sheer "Easy Button" factor. I think the concept of a galactic style Tactical Nuke isn't bad. My main problem with it is its extreme difficulty to kill. It doesn't have to be placed onto a battlefield to be devastating. It just needs to jump into a deep-safe, lock the cyno and fire. I've discussed this. Even if you were able to find the probably cloaked titan, it is very easy for it to escape, either by jumping or warping to an insta safe. Some calculations I've seen place the time from your multi-capital fleet cynoing in to the escape of the titan at under 90 seconds. You'd need all your eggs in capitals to kill a titan in 90 seconds. If you can find it. Before it runs. The idea of a titan doesn't need to be changed/nerfed, the titan itself does. "EVE is the worst MMORPG. Except for all the other ones." [KUDZU] = Coalition.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.23 00:34:00 - [3] Hmm strange is that d2 titan wasn't such "easy mode killing machine" as we saw on they killboard, while bob titans do omgwtflolerspank ownage. To the point, titan is big alliance warfare weapon where loosing 50+ bses is not end of wallet. Titan cost 50bil+, LOOONG skilling and in exchange u get doomsday device that allow you to spank fleet. I aggre that shooting dd tho cyno should be nerfed, pilot should have balls, but thats all. --------
Angelus Xenotov	Posted - 2007.02.23 01:05:00 - [4] You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.23 03:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Angelus Xenotov You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan. "Don't worry guys! Save up today so you can get your I WIN button too!" Why don't you let people who can reason talk since the concept that an alliance with 2 or more Titans being overpowered is clearly beyond you. Better yet, why don't you tell us how much POS warfare, dread battles or major fleet engagements you've been a part of, and how you can see no way that the ability to completely obliterate a dread support fleet in one shot isn't overpowered?
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.23 05:54:00 - [6] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Angelus Xenotov You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan. "Don't worry guys! Save up today so you can get your I WIN button too!" Why don't you let people who can reason talk since the concept that an alliance with 2 or more Titans being overpowered is clearly beyond you. Better yet, why don't you tell us how much POS warfare, dread battles or major fleet engagements you've been a part of, and how you can see no way that the ability to completely obliterate a dread support fleet in one shot isn't overpowered? In many big fleets and stuff. It will also kill your own support fleet, simply it will wipe every not-passive battleship and below from the battlefield. And ? It kill also blue ships if u don't know... --------
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.02.23 10:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Valandril Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Angelus Xenotov You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan. "Don't worry guys! Save up today so you can get your I WIN button too!" Why don't you let people who can reason talk since the concept that an alliance with 2 or more Titans being overpowered is clearly beyond you. Better yet, why don't you tell us how much POS warfare, dread battles or major fleet engagements you've been a part of, and how you can see no way that the ability to completely obliterate a dread support fleet in one shot isn't overpowered? In many big fleets and stuff. It will also kill your own support fleet, simply it will wipe every not-passive battleship and below from the battlefield. And ? It kill also blue ships if u don't know... Woah! If only there was some way I could tell my own fleets in advance what's about to happen. But how could I possibly do this!?
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.23 10:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 23/02/2007 10:39:41 Originally by: Angelus Xenotov You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan. Titans are now what outposts used to be. Until one was built everyone was like "OMFG how much?" but once the first few are the rest just seem to flow. Before long individual corps will be able to afford and build these things, at which point the game will become a joke and POS seiges practically impossible. EST already make a joke of lo sec with their tackling/ganking MS, imagine pirate corps with titans! And you cannot alter the tactics to avoid them while the game is in the state it is in atm. When I lost a ship to the LV titan in YM- the lag around the POS was so bad that I was not able even to move to warp out when the cyno went up and I was in a ceptor not some slow assed sniper BS! Asn aside, please dont turn this into another f***ing bob/coalition thread there are 101 threads in CAOD if u want to wave your pom poms for one team or the other
ITTigerClawIK Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.02.23 12:52:00 - [9] Titans are VERY difficult to build and i seriusly doubt you will ever see any come on th epublic market for a vERY long time... they take a HELL of load of Resources and TIME to build... as in the eve chronicals they are something that only empires and huge alliances could hope to build... and at the moment a titan is a big deal atm still... sighting 1 titan is fear to any enemy and it should remain that way... they HAVE been killed before. and many more will be killed int he future.. besides it aint exactly a biggy if ya lose your BS to one is it? ya just go and grab another one and off ya go dont if ya fit it with uberly expensive officer and faction modules then thats your fault... the general idea is if ya dont wnat to lose the entire fleet then have half stay back and have half at the titan.. if hte titan wants to risk only killing off half the fleet and haveing th erest come in after the DD has been unleashed then thats your choice really but i dont see any probs with it as it is.. though i would like to suggest that sphears should be able to work on it though... at least a large one at least.. thats my only complaint about it Sig (partially) nerfed. Only one image allowed, and that one image has to be under 400x120, and below 24,000 bytes. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Angelus Xenotov	Posted - 2007.02.24 01:31:00 - [10] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Angelus Xenotov You spend several years training a titan, accrue 50+ billion and you'd expect a titan's DD to be Powerful. Your tactics need to be altered, not the titan. "Don't worry guys! Save up today so you can get your I WIN button too!" Why don't you let people who can reason talk since the concept that an alliance with 2 or more Titans being overpowered is clearly beyond you. Better yet, why don't you tell us how much POS warfare, dread battles or major fleet engagements you've been a part of, and how you can see no way that the ability to completely obliterate a dread support fleet in one shot isn't overpowered? TWO titans? However would I engage TWO titans...perhaps force their hand so they fire there DD's and then bring in backup....Sparkling idea! Lets face it, if you're facing off against an alliance who have two titans, they're probably going to have enough sense to pound you into the ground before you can try anything to threaten them.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.02.24 03:09:00 - [11] Originally by: ITTigerClawIK they HAVE been killed before. and many more will be killed int he future.. besides it aint exactly a biggy if ya lose your BS to one is it? Yes, titans have been killed, but never with a pilot at the wheel, the only way to kill a titan with a pilot that is actually there and attentive involves a tactic (bumping) that the pilot could likely just petition for reimbursement for.
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.02.24 07:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: ITTigerClawIK they HAVE been killed before. and many more will be killed int he future.. besides it aint exactly a biggy if ya lose your BS to one is it? Yes, titans have been killed, but never with a pilot at the wheel, the only way to kill a titan with a pilot that is actually there and attentive involves a tactic (bumping) that the pilot could likely just petition for reimbursement for. Since when bumping is petitionable ? --------

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