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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 20:53:00 -
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Only a short while ago, Maggot, highly placed in the UÆK says this:
 Originally by: Maggot
Karin Midular: Wanted - Dead or Alive
That seems fairly clear to me, UÆK wants someone killed. He is immediately supported:
Originally by: Spiderweb
To the Republic Fleet officials:
YOU BETRAYED US ALL. You betrayed your own people. Please remove your 8.24 standing with me from your treacherous Republic Fleet villains. I have set all your drones of hypocricy and treachery to -5 and now you will face the concequences of the death of my warrior Brother.
Your death, brother Muritor, is our call for vengeance.
So, vengeance on all Republic Fleet officials. It seems clear what kind of vengeance is intended. And then Telemicus Thrace adds some kind words directed at the Republic government:
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Your towers will fall, your wealth will be squandered, the foundations of your lifeforce will be wittered away as the people rise against the brother who dared to turn on his own.
You may of silenced one man and his brave crew Midular, but you will find it hard to silence us all! You have never felt the weight of the storm mustering yonder and when it comes crashing down, be ready to meet Matar as the gates will not bid you enter. Your spirit will disappear into nothing, sucked into the abyss to join your allies in the underworld where you will be forever tormented by the demons of your own making.
The government you support, its time is ending. The blows will not be made by us. It will be the people when they learn of what has transpired, when the government sponsored news agencies are silenced. When their propaganda merchants, assassins and puppets are repaid in whole. The people will rise and tear down the government. It is not us you should be afraid of. Your little peace will end by the hand of the people.
This leaves little to our imagination. Such sentiments from the UÆK then (predictably) is followed by Matari youths throwing fireboms at Republic government officials.
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The Bloody Hands of Matar, a newly-formed youth rebel group with suspected ties to organized militias in various provinces of the Republic, has claimed responsibility for the firebombing. On their personal feed, the group claims that they "model ourselves on the ideals espoused by our capsuleer kin," and that they are "dedicated to the overthrow of the current government, be it by word or by fist."
Seems quite a logical consequence to me. A consequence desired by UÆK officials no less. But then suddenly UÆK plays another fiddle:
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
The Bloody Hands of Matar. The use of violence on fellow matari is unacceptable. The path you would lead us down is a dark one and we implore you to rethink your actions.
If you truly model yourselves on the ideals of our organization please follow our lead and conduct peaceful demonstrations like the one we held over Matar.
If you must stain your hands with blood, make sure its slaver blood.
To which Mr. Thrace, one of the primary UÆK hatemongers, adds:
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
The Bloody Hands of Matar, you remind me of our own Kinda'Shujaa. Our young warriors. Your passion is commendable, your cause is just but your methods are not.
Protest, yes. March through the streets. Raise your banners in protest outside government buildings but please, do not shed Matari blood over this.
Please.
I am simply sick of seeing such blatant lies, sick of witnessing such open dishonesty, disgusted by such irresponsible people. If you have any moral fibre left in your terrorist bodies, have at least the guts owe up to what you started Ushra Khan. You called for blood, you got it.
Stop with the lies, stop the hypocrisy. Even though IÆm not a direct party in this conflict, such obvious untruths I cannot ignore. You set a very shameful and pathetic example for those that you call æyour peopleÆ.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:07:00 -
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Shut up slaver.
When will you learn what you think has no effect on what free Matari people think. thats the point of us being free is that we are no longer tied up your your society filled with fallacies and lies.
We are sorry your government cant be as much fun as ours to be involved with, it may have something to do with you waiting on a god that does not exists to lead your government.
Stop trying to incite flames, us matari do not care one bit about your drivel.
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:20:00 -
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poor attempt at pushing agendas and rhetoric. really, there was me thinking better of a slaver.
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Kabajashi San
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:31:00 -
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The collection of these quotes shows one thing and one thing only - how the Amarr are using an internal Matari conflict to set up fronts betwen other people. Divide et impere, isn't that what you call it? But you and your slaver friends never mind, we will overcome this conflict, as hard as it may be and the Matari people will rise stronger as ever before. So go praying, you will need any help you can get the day your crimes will fall back on you.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
poor attempt at pushing agendas and rhetoric. really, there was me thinking better of a slaver.
Well, although I consider myself enlightened, I'm only mortal after all. Blatant lies make me angry. I will not stand for them, from anyone.
If Ushra'Khan had taken their current angle at the start of this drama I would have not felt like this. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on most things, but I can at least respect someone standing for a cause. But when people calling for blood suddenly make a 180 when blood actually starts flowing, how then can I ever negotiate in good faith with such people?
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Hakera
poor attempt at pushing agendas and rhetoric. really, there was me thinking better of a slaver.
Well, although I consider myself enlightened, I'm only mortal after all. Blatant lies make me angry. I will not stand for them, from anyone.
If Ushra'Khan had taken their current angle at the start of this drama I would have not felt like this. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on most things, but I can at least respect someone standing for a cause. But when people calling for blood suddenly make a 180 when blood actually starts flowing, how then can I ever negotiate in good faith with such people?
Im glad you dont stand for them, its good really, however what you do/dont stand for (outside of slavery) has no bearing on anything at all Matari. You are a slaver scum, and all you have to say is taken as if the scum on the top of a lake was trying to speak to me.
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Hakera
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:38:00 -
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Oh there is only one conditional surrender for you. The unconditional release of all my kin and promise to never raid our colonies again. That is your only bloodless vaneue of escape from your doom.
Being as we are mere animals to your kind, I find it amusing that you would negotiate with us as equals. It both mocks and amuses me at the same time. But my contempt for you and your kind is only equalled by the contempt of the Republic for their failure to act.
I suppose in that respect you could try and sympathise with the Republic loyalists in an amusing effort to segreate and divide us...oh wait...
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Well, although I consider myself enlightened, I'm only mortal after all.
Enlightened people don't need slaves if they are truly enlightened. They'd be above the need for it.
Originally by: Merdaneth
...how then can I ever negotiate in good faith with such people?
Negiotiate? Why would we want you to? The one thing we would want you won't compromise on so what would be the point?
While I personally don't agree or disagree with what happened at the riot, there is a difference between wanting the leadership removed and having it taken it out on the civilians.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
Negiotiate? Why would we want you to? The one thing we would want you won't compromise on so what would be the point?
I have been trying to reason with many of you, in my belief reason and logic is at least something you could understand and relate to.
It is my belief that we both want exactly the same thing: to free all Matari slaves. We just have difference of opinion about the speed and manner of how this goal will be brought about.
And indeed, enlightened people don't literally *need* slaves. We don't *need* children too, but we still choose to have them. Why? In the hope of making a brighter future for everyone. At least, that is why I have slaves, and why I would like to have children.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:22:00 -
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Let me answer with some quotes from you.
Originally by: Merdaneth
I am simply sick of seeing such blatant lies, sick of witnessing such open dishonesty, disgusted by such irresponsible people.
Stop with the lies, stop the hypocrisy. ... You set a very shameful and pathetic example ...
Originally by: Merdaneth
It is my belief that we both want exactly the same thing: to free all Matari slaves. We just have difference of opinion about the speed and manner of how this goal will be brought about.
...Why? In the hope of making a brighter future for everyone. At least, that is why I have slaves, ...
You want to speak up straight? Start with: "I have Slaves because they are cheap and I make a fortune out of them and can do with them whatever I want. I don't consider them more than animals, although as there might be the slightest chance they do have a soul and God might not be too happy with my abuse I use some ridiculous excuse to make use of them."
A man should be judged by his deeds not by his words.
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:39:00 -
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It is a well known fact that bringing children into this world is a hard task. And since amarr typically use their slaves to do their hard work, should we be assuming that the next amarrian generation is going to be matari?
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kabajashi San
You want to speak up straight? Start with: "I have Slaves because they are cheap and I make a fortune out of them and can do with them whatever I want. I don't consider them more than animals, although as there might be the slightest chance they do have a soul and God might not be too happy with my abuse I use some ridiculous excuse to make use of them."
A man should be judged by his deeds not by his words.
What you are saying is:
A. Not a deed but an belief.
B. Completetly untrue when referring to me (many can attest to this, Matari and Amarr alike)
C. This is simply a blanket statement you think applies to all Amarrians. Or more strongly stated: its a racist remark.
I would suggest you read my: Th e Thruth about Slavery
If you want to judge me by my deeds, then do so. But some research might be in order first.
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Octavinus Augustus
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Posted - 2007.02.23 22:57:00 -
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Merdaneth.
While I admire your zeal and your belief that reason will prevail, I must say that personally I think that you are wasting your time speaking reason to the U'K terrorists.
Let me ask you this. If a non-Amarr had raised the points that you raise so well in your initial post, would he then get scorned so by the U'K? Of course not, the U'K would have tried to argue their case (such as it is) with whatever reason they can muster.
However, you are an Amarr and consequently the terrorists have their intense hatred take over and cloud out all reason and sense.
You should realize that the prime motivation for the U'K is not to "free" their enslaved kindred but rather a blind hatred for all things Amarr. Their quest for "freedom" is only a distant second when it comes to their reasons for doing what they do.
I think this is best evidenced by the unending insistense of the Minmatar that we keep slaves for some economic or psycopathic purpose. That we see them as nothing but animals, while it is on fact the other way round.
It doesn't matter how many times we explain the reason for slavery (as in your own post). The U'K simply need to believe their own version in order to keep the fire burning and their hatred alive.
You cannot speak reason to a blind fanatic. The socalled "freedom fighters" clearly fall into this category.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Only a short while ago, Maggot, highly placed in the UÆK says this:
Originally by: Maggot
Karin Midular: Wanted - Dead or Alive
That seems fairly clear to me, UÆK wants someone killed. He is immediately supported:
No it seems he is wanted "Dead or Alive"
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
It is my belief that we both want exactly the same thing: to free all Matari slaves. We just have difference of opinion about the speed and manner of how this goal will be brought about.
And your concept of freedom is what? Freeing their spirit from their body by killing them? Or is it putting them into a way of life that you want for them? That one isn't exactly 'freedom', it is choosing for them.
Originally by: Merdaneth
And indeed, enlightened people don't literally *need* slaves. We don't *need* children too, but we still choose to have them. Why? In the hope of making a brighter future for everyone..
Huh? How does having to endure pain, humiliation and torture insure a brighter future for the gallente or caldari? Or is 'everyone' just the Amarr?
Originally by: Merdaneth
At least, that is why I have slaves, and why I would like to have children.
I only hope you are sterile.
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Derran on 23/02/2007 23:41:27
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
You should realize that the prime motivation for the U'K is not to "free" their enslaved kindred but rather a blind hatred for all things Amarr. Their quest for "freedom" is only a distant second when it comes to their reasons for doing what they do.
Don't lump us into one stereotype. I don't hate the Amarr as a people. It only happens by default because most of the Amarr people support it as a way of life that has been indoctorined into them for generations. I do what I do because it is the right thing to do. Fortunately, I am not alone in that belief. The Caldari State, Gallente Federation and even the Jovians agree by making it an illegal and thus immoral practice within their respective territories.
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
I think this is best evidenced by the unending insistense of the Minmatar that we keep slaves for some economic or psycopathic purpose. That we see them as nothing but animals, while it is on fact the other way round.
So you make them work as servants and work them to death in dangerous mining activities because of what exactly? For fun? Since it is not for an economical purpose, it must be for something else. So what is it the reason exactly that you have them do this instead of doing it yourselves because I'd really like to hear that explaination. If it is to enlighten them, why don't Amarrians do it?
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
You cannot speak reason to a blind fanatic. The socalled "freedom fighters" clearly fall into this category.
So do the so called defenders of the Amarrian Empire.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.23 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kovid
No it seems he is wanted "Dead or Alive"
I guess you are one of those people that when they say 'my life' when a highway robber offers you the choice between 'your money or your life' actually believes the robber won't take your money after he's killed you?
I must admit that naivity can be a virtue at times.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derran
And your concept of freedom is what? Freeing their spirit from their body by killing them? Or is it putting them into a way of life that you want for them? That one isn't exactly 'freedom', it is choosing for them.
I don't believe in freedom at all. I'm merely using the word to make myself understood. By removing their legal status as an slave to the Empire I will effectively 'freed' them according to your definition. That is what you desire, right?
As for your 'putting them into a way of life that I want for them' is nothing short of the hallmark of a moral man. I will do everything in my power to help others attain a life that I think is good for them. And I certainly hope others would do the same for me.
Have you ever said a hard thing to a good friend? A thing they would rather not want to hear but you thought was good for them? You ever forbid a child to take an action that might harm themselves? Of course you did. Was it what they wanted? No, it was not. Was it what you thought was best for them? Yes, it was. Was it selfless? Yes, that probably too.
Even you have taken it upon yourself to decide what it best for the people that are enslaved within the Empire.
Face the truth. We all try to influence people to make decisions that are best for them as we see it, even the fiercest Matari freedom fighters do so at times. And that doing so isn't wrong or sinful. I sincerely hope you can learn to see that.
Originally by: Merdaneth
I only hope you are sterile.
You believe in genetic predisposition then? You believe any child of mine would be too unworthy in the eyes of God or man to see the light of day? What you say is just a sad and harsh thing to wish upon any man.
Your bitterness may give you strength, but it will never gain your soul peace.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
If you want to judge me by my deeds, then do so. But some research might be in order first.
I have read it and and also the essay from your comrade. I answered him, we agreed to disagree as he may recall. ;) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=476038
What can I answer to you that would penetrate your wall of ignorance and misguidance? I'm afraid that you have the greatest difficulties in understanding the basic concepts of morality applying to any man not following your foolish believes. And the same time you are talking about the morality of UK. You accuse them of lies and hypocrisy and at the same time you are defending the greatest lie of all. What shall I answer such a man?
I said it once and I say it again. As long as there is a single Matari slave under your whip you cannot talk about thinks like moral or honour. Your deeds (not your believes) corrupt every statement in this matter.
And to clarify your calling me racist: I welcome every Amarr who overcomes the heir of his people's history and truly sets aside the crime of slavery and the crimes the Amarr did to the Matari. I invite him to fight on our side so that one day even Amarr like yourself can see how wrong their actions have been. |
Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.24 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kovid on 24/02/2007 00:38:48
Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Kovid
No it seems he is wanted "Dead or Alive"
I guess you are one of those people that when they say 'my life' when a highway robber offers you the choice between 'your money or your life' actually believes the robber won't take your money after he's killed you?
It is up to the bounty hunter how his reward is collected. Your weaving of incorrect analogies is not surprising. Your example is a demand requiring one or the other. The term "Wanted: Dead or Alive," is a request.
Let the speaker of the words define his position. Stop telling people what their words mean in your eyes. Stop using analogies as examples to show people what you think they mean. What you read is not what they mean.
So how about another analogy?
Pushing your meanings on others' words is like pushing religion on slaves... and one more step since we are playing word games, ... accept God, and servitude for your redemption or die.
What a waste.
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Drakus
Minmatar
all professions
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Posted - 2007.02.24 01:04:00 -
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I feel i must chip in and add my 2 cents to this "discussion"
Merdaneth, you are an idiot. Plain and simple.
The Ushra'Khan is made of many INDIVIDUALS. In such cases people may have varied opinions on current events.
But even if that were not true, Maggot called for the head of the republic, some others called for the heads of members of the fleet. NO WHERE did we call for indiscriminate killing of innocents.
So your entire idea is wrong...
The Ushra'Khan wants/wanted the head of the rebulic. They do not condone the attacks on ramdom people.
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Lyzra
Amarr
Peregrine Guidance Systems Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lyzra on 24/02/2007 04:21:59
Ahhahaahaa haa... I really needed to get that out.
I am just a simple amarrian captain, regardless of that fact just observing this word throwing to one side and another is ridiculous.
Dont the pilots of the terrorist group have no guts and balls to stand behind the trouble they are part in creating. I do not accuse anyone for the foolishness of the imbecile minimatar citizens that rise against even they own goverment. I mean let's face it, minimatars are not really able to live in a civilized fashion.
Facts are that terrorist group members have publically broadcasted and made public FULLY aware they do not support they own governing body, some members even seemed to be opposing it so far to be militaristically hostile?
How can you not see that such a behaviour is not truly seen by youth as acts of singular captains. You are representing your organization, no matter how stupid.... you are and in the end you bear the responsibility for those actions.
As for these critical words. I would politely suggest that terrorists will publically denounce any unlawful acts. Pledge to be loyally following they own leaders and act within reason than rabid lunacy. Support your goverment, make announcements for the youth and help the Republic grow stronger.
Even as I loathe the rebellious minimatars, it does not mean I actually wish Republic to implode and destroy itself, nor to fall prey to the sin and propaganda gallentean society taints them with.
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Christa Larne
Minmatar
Matari Fleet Recon
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Posted - 2007.02.24 10:03:00 -
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What I find particularly fascinating is that the pilots of the Amarrian Loyalist factions are far more interested in the internal politics of the Matari than they are in their own. If a lone voice dares to question the stagnation and political manuvering that cripples the succession that voice is promptly quashed while the loyalists cite faith in their god as reason enough to avoid having to face the reality of the situation.
Why is it that they are far more interested in our problems than their own? Is it because they have lost their way, because all they have left is their empty rhetoric? There is no doubting their ability to insult those who speak out, no doubting their ability to ridicule and revile, but what is left behind that fascade of anger and hatred? I see nothing left but a blind faith in a god who has left them without even an emperor to guide them. They fight and argue for the status quo not only because they can no longer think for themselves but because they are terrified that by having individual thoughts they may in some way be committing heresy. They fear the future and so they lash out at any cause that can allow them to drown that fear in blind anger.
Once it was our hatred for the Amarr, and most specifically for the loyalists, that defined who we were as a people; for some it still does but that is the way of the past. The rhetoric they spew at us now is designed to one end alone, to keep us hating them and so to continue giving them a purpose to their existence. We no longer need the Amarr to define our existence, but with no Emperor, no purpose or guidance, they need us to define theirs. For without us to hate, and insult, they would be forced to face their own problems and that is something they are far too afraid to do.
It is time for us to begin to pity the Amarr Loyalists and to allow them to slip into the darkness that is claiming their Empire. Of course they will still rant and rave but we have our own future to consider, and they are not a part of it. Leave them to gnash their teeth in the darkness.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.02.24 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
I have been trying to reason with many of you, in my belief reason and logic is at least something you could understand and relate to.
Pointless.
They are but cattle with the ability to speak.
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Melichor Duraldi
Gallente
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2007.02.25 00:46:00 -
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At least these "cattle" as you so eloquently call them know the true meanings of honor and virtue. It is one of mans greatest moments when he can risk all he is and all he will ever be just to save the life of someone whom he may never have known. I for one honor these brave freedom fighters who would hurl their ships into certain doom just to save a handful of their brethren from a life of forced servitude.
It is a sad thing indeed when one has fallen so far as to associate such brave and virtuous men as "cattle." I can only hope that in the near future such a personal failing can be fixed.
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Ikar Kaltin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.25 00:58:00 -
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Ok UK, PIE...I honestly dont care whos right and whos wrong here, but on this commnication this is what has happened.
Amarr loyalists have decided to sit out (mostly) of your internal conflcts.
2)One loyalists notes a slight hypocrisy in UK sentiment and flags the issue.
3)All matari loyalists immidiatly sprout and jump on them for flagging anything on something that doesnt concern them
What does this tell us. Simply that Mataris are united in their hatred of Amarr. Simple, this is well known and a well voiced issue. And what...? You hate us, we hte you...what has this got to do with anything? You cry "Oh noes an amarr is commenting on one of our issue, what can we do!?". Oh well, you comment on our issues all the time...more or les none stop. We have let you adress your issue and out of courtest if nothing else you could answer the questions raised by the opening communication. Stop being so damn racist and treat every respondent as a blank person, just a voice not a person.
Oh wait...and here it comes, here comes the Matari "ah why dont you do that with your slaves" or whatever. Because simply even if we did nothing would change, you are just too shorted to see that and too over confident in your single handed ability to bring down the largest Empire in the galaxy. Oh well, life goes on hey. You will attack us, we will kill you...its a massive circle. For once Matari practice this tolerance and freedom you preach about so much and answer points for their validity and not who says it.
Now im gone from this thread, do what you will but I believe the point has been made.
Ikar Kaltin over and out.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.25 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
Stop being so damn racist and treat every respondent as a blank person, just a voice not a person.
Oh wait...and here it comes, here comes the Matari "ah why dont you do that with your slaves" or whatever. Because simply even if we did nothing would change, you are just too shorted to see that and too over confident in your single handed ability to bring down the largest Empire in the galaxy.
Hahaha, indeed if you don't want to hear it from a Matari, then here you go from a Caldari...
Why don't you do that with your slaves?
That you asked it yourself and provided a non answer does not make you exempt from the question. In fact, it still constitutes a public admition of your racism while trying to accuse us for it.
You DO know that we have Amarr in our ranks, don't you? That actually I have never, ever encountered even a HINT of racial discrimination in Ushra'Khan as long as I am in it?
You DO know that the purpose of Ushra'Khan is freeing slaves and not the destruction of Amarr empire, dont you?
Seem you don't. Oh well, I suppose "know thy enemy" didn't meant that the enemy should actually provide that info, but after all, why not?
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Nihils Astari
Gallente
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.25 09:22:00 -
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Hypocrisy? Where?
Slavers bad. Slaver collaborators bad.
Freedom fighters good. People wanting others to live free=good.
Take the fight to the slavers.
(I'm trying to think of anything else Ushra'Khan asks of its members)
Slaver, the fact that you made this post rather than anyone else sweeps its credibility away. Release all your slaves and stop taking any more and I'll be happy to listen. Otherwise, see you in battle.
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Ikar Kaltin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.25 09:58:00 -
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And again both UK members have completly missed the point of my response....
Not suprisingly really.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.25 14:55:00 -
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I don't *care* about the *point* of your transmission. I care about the *soul* of your *transmission* and what you actually *do* communicate through it . Let me sketch it out for you in case anybody missed it. You communicate a LOT more things than the actual words that you type.
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
starting stuff--
Amarr loyalists have decided to sit out (mostly) of your internal conflcts.
2)One loyalists notes a slight hypocrisy in UK sentiment and flags the issue.
3)All matari loyalists immidiatly sprout and jump on them for flagging anything on something that doesnt concern them
---rest stuff--
Or, to bare what you said to the "between the lines" thought:
Original transmission:
"Ushra'Khan has diversity, and we may use them too hurt them because as everyone has their own opinion, they may sound divided, and even better, Hypocritic."
"Ushra'Khan have been dealt a strong blow, and as we get stronger, frustrated responses from them, this apparent division can be taken further so they sound even more hypocritic and borderline terroristic as everyone voices their own opinions, the contradictions will make them feel more bad."
Your transmission (quoted and rest):
"Now that we accused them and they have started to defend themselves, I may completely disregard the fact that it is a direct accusation *requiring* response and merely imply it is an internal *amarr* discussion."
"Furthermore, I may use the fact that they are mostly minmatar people and we mostly amarr to make them look racist - the opportunity is too good to pass buy. The time-honored tradition of asking myself the same completely logical question that I should be asked can be used so that I don't have to explain how I can accuse someone of racism when I am the blatant racist myself, even taken into extremes like slavery et.c."
Good thinking, but especially the last two points would need an orator capable of selling Khumaaks in Amarr.
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