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Posted - 2016.05.23 00:20:13 -
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A comment (see below) from a player in another topic of mine, made me create this one. My first post in this topic will be a lengthy one so be forewarned . By the way for total noobs like me: AFK stands for "away from keyboard" 
Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Yep.
OP - just so you know, my friends in CODE. alliance *love* blowing up people autopiloting in highsec. We lose the ship we attack with, but if we kill you half your cargo and fitted modules will drop as loot.
Additionally, some big market manipulators and wealthy, bored nullsec players donate large amounts of ISK to our cause just to watch highsec burn.
Just a note - even as a rookie player you can quite quickly get involved in ganking if you want. The skills you will need to be able to kill mining ships in cheap Destroyers are accessible in just a few hours of focused training, and there's nothing quite like the feeling of blowing up a ship that's worth 10 times your entire wealth in EVE using a cheap low-skilled Catalyst.
Well, I knew that people like this exist in Eve, but hoped to avoid them as long as and as often as possible. Please see my thoughts below, may be you will find a reflection of yours .
I am a solo player as I do not know (in real life) anyone who plays Eve. Yet! I tried the game a couple of years ago. Played it for an hour or so and uninstalled it. It was too confusing and instead of having fun I just got frustrated. Fortunately, this time, I have more free time (sorry for the tautology) on my hands, so I am already playing it for a week.
I do not have anyone to guide my every step of the way and I do not want to join a corporation (or anyone else) without knowing what am I getting into. So I have to figure things out on my own. How do I do it? Reading! Which means I cannot have my eyes on the game screen all the time.
I do not have time to spend hours and hours staring at the mining ship, just to avoid being ganked. You have to admit it, it is a pretty boring thing. Ask yourself: would I be willing to spend hours and hours of my time doing a boring activity in a game I am paying for? I doubt that very much! One has to have really special mindset to do that (I call that masochism).
Note please, there is no one to give me free ISK so I can get a destroyer or cruiser to get out of the hi-sec without being blown up by the first "bored ganker". I do not have even the knowledge of the game or the skills trained enough (I am a noob, remember?) to be able to fight off a ganking bunch. Would you like this scenario (applied to you, not you to someone): you get a rookie ship (or something not far from it), you get out of hi-sec and get blown up by the first shot someone takes at you. Repeat.
Lots of fun, right? You know how they call in the army the "bold" (courageous, daring, etc.) newbies who get into stuff without being prepared or ready? Reckless idiots! Dangerous to themselves and even worse to others.
As I do not want to behave like a reckless idiot (even if it is a game), I am mining to get money for a better ship for lowsec and training skills to be able to use it. Now, a bunch of "payed guns" like you is coming to hi-sec to ruin my chance of even starting to have fun.
CCP is smart to have the hi-sec areas, so people like me (noobs and loners) have a chance of staying in the game. You, along with the Quote:big market manipulators and wealthy, bored nullsec players are defeating that purpose.
So, what is going to happen? I (or someone else like me) will get frustrated with players like Sabriz and/or bored of mining and wish you all well and get back to having fun somewhere else. CCP loses a new customer and you lose the opportunity of having fun meeting me (or someone else like me) down the road after several weeks/months in the game and having a decent opponent. Of course, this might be your purpose, because you or other Quote:big market manipulators and wealthy, bored nullsec players are afraid of competition or just not smart enough to understand that. CCP understands.
Normally I have about an hour a day for fun. I can extend that if I can play being AFK from time to time. If you or anyone else thinks that I am going to stay (and pay for that) in the game one hour a day every day for months just mining or being blown up by your likes you must be delusional, or never been in this situation and do not know how it feels.
So, the conclusion: if I will be lucky (patient/persistent) enough not to get bored out of my mind mining or getting overly frustrated by gankers like you Sabriz (and not banned by CCP after this post), I will join or create a group/alliance that will be destroying alliances like yours and hunting down those who are preventing new players to get on their feet and have enough fun to decide to stay in Eve. It is a game after all, and everyone is entitled to have fun. Why would I want to spend money on a game that is worse (frustrating) than real life? I find ganking disgusting, no matter where it happens, especially against those who don't even have a remote fighting chance (reminds me about gangs of bullies in school who take the pocket money from those who can't fight back).
Being new to Eve I admit that I do not know a lot of things about its concept. And maybe it is a game for masochists? My question to you veterans is: would you be willing to let the AFK (on and off) loner noobs alone in hi-sec to give them a chance to start having fun in Eve getting a fighting chance againt gankers that enjoy Quote:nothing quite like the feeling of blowing up a ship that's worth 10 times your entire wealth in EVE using a cheap low-skilled Catalyst. ? Just curious . |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 01:31:45 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Your post sounds like a troll, but I'll bite regardless.
I do not really know what a troll is (I've read about those in forums). Depending on the definition I might be one 
In this post, I am using the opportunity to share how I feel in the game after a week. I hope to stay in it, depends how it turns out with ganking.
And thank you for the suggestion regarding the anti-ganking channel. I will most definitely join it!
I like a lot the work Mike is doing with his Magic School Bus.
Yes, there are greedy people who will take a ship no matter if they need it or not, but there are lots of new players who greatly appreciate such an initiative.
Makes the loss less painful.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 01:41:27 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: make a few safe spots and bookmark specific asteroids in that system, start mining and keep an eye on local chat. If someone enters the system, check info on their character and if they land on grid with you, warp away asap. Also get in the habit of running Directional Scan and if you see combat probes, warp to a safe spot or station.
Also set your contact status to red with known gankers so when they do show up in local chat you'll be able to see them very quickly. Keep local chat separated from all the other chan channels and make it able to easily view the bulk of players present in it. Set up various Overview tabs with different settings to easily perform different tasks without having to do excessive scrolling.
Train up core fitting skills asap so you can do better ship fits that are set up for defensive action. The point is to survive a suicide gank attack and watch Concord enact revenge on the gankers, then laugh at them in local chat while you collect their loot. If you're using the Venture mining Frigate, it can be set up for speed, agility, even cloak and still maintain the ability to quickly mine Ore.
Thanks DeMichael for taking the time!
Thanks to players like you I gather pieces of valuable information that will help me enjoy Eve, not get frustrated with it.
Lots of the stuff you mentioned above I have no idea how to do, but your suggestions are a good starting point for me!
More reading to do ! |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 01:49:47 -
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Brynjard wrote: Gank the gankers. - There are some guys doing this. A white knight thing. - It's also possible to use your mining barge as a "bait" with drone amps and kill the ganker. That will cost you the mining yield, but I belive it would be worth it. Laughing at him, stupid ganker.
If there where more guys thinking like you, maybe some more white knights would apear, and code wold lose some ships without getting kills.
I like the idea Brynjard!
I will definitely use it some day!
Unfortunately, for now, I have to stick to mining. The Burst that I have and which is more or less armed won't achieve much in such a combat.
Well, thanks to Sabriz's post I got a goal in Eve and have an objective to move towards! |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 02:25:34 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: To research a specific topic such as Tanking, I suggest viewing all of them to get a more complete understanding. You can also do a Google search to find even more info contained in other Eve Wiki's as well as Forum threads too.
I aready found out about those resources. And Google is my friend for a long time already.
Unfortunately, you do not what you do not know.
As they say: To ask a question one needs to know half of the answer.
The knowledge you and other constructive people are sharing helps focus on the relevant and avoid being all over the place.
Quote: Proper Planning Prevents Poor Performance
I like this one. Totally agree with it! |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 03:44:58 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Still trying to figure out why people that find mining boring keep on mining.
It is easy Tau! Probably you are in the game for a long time, and thus do not remember what it means to have a rookie ship and 100000 ISK in your Wallet.
- I need a decent ship to be able to go out of 1.0, 0.9 systems. Mining = Funds
- I need Skills to make good use of the ship and everything I put in it. Mining = Funds
- I need time to train the Skills. Where else I can train and still feel that I am in the game. Mining = Time to train.
Quote:If it is only for AFK earning potential, then nobody should listen to them when they complain about getting ganked while mining.
No, it is not AFK earning potential, I do not want to play to earn, but I still have to earn to play!
Thank you for the reference! As I mentioned before to know the question one needs to know half of the answer.
Good for you that you know what to do to be busy! I do not, so I have to keep reading. And BTW I was not complaining, I was not ganked yet (fortunately). Saw a couple of shady characters around several times, but I guess it was just a false alarm. Sorry that you missed the point of the post.
Thank you anyway for valuable information! |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 12:59:53 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote: I personally do not believe in AFK playing.
I totally respect that.
Quote:You said something about playing solo. This game is not meant to be played solo. It is a social game. I do not intend to stay solo forever, never was my intention. It will take time though to figure out who do I want to join. As I mentioned before, I want to know in advance what I am getting into. I already got about 10 invitations to join different corps, should have I joined one of them already? You don't have to answer, I know it from my reading .
Quote:Mining is probably one of the worst active activities to make money in this game. Indy people swear up and down its a good way to make money Respectfully disagree here. For a noob, especially for a total noob to both Eve and online MMORG. If you are not too bored with this post check my reply to Tau regarding mission running.
Quote:You are far better off, especially if you dislike mining, to invest your money in a combat ship That's what I want to do. This why I am mining
Not so sure about this one. So far mining is more profitable than missions (for me, at least).
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Posted - 2016.05.23 13:15:53 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:If you only want to go for the low-hanging fruit ..
Well, not really! This why I am doing a lot of reading. To find out what is the high-hanging fruit (for me) and how to get there. Mining is the best activity for now.
The only thing that bothered me (and that's why I started this topic) is that there are people who will go out of their way to prevent me and others like me (clueless noobs). And why?
Because:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:market manipulators and wealthy, bored nullsec players donate large amounts of ISK to our cause just to watch highsec burn and
Quote:there's nothing quite like the feeling of blowing up a ship that's worth 10 times your entire wealth in EVE using a cheap low-skilled Catalyst[/b][/u]
And I said before, thanks to CPP people like me still have a chance to get out of the Eve's nursery, despite the efforts of some to watch it burn. |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 13:30:38 -
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Sykaotic wrote: 2). do the career missions.... maybe do pve missions after that to make a bit of isk............---> then go pvp
I will comment on that in a post below (Tau)
Quote:3). Not uncommon for brand new players to get into a frig and go pvp... maybe use one of your other slots to join a pvp corp and try it out... you might like it! That's my plan ! The only thing is that I share the mentality of another veteran who mentioned in another topic on this forum:
Quote:Get 100 Rifters and go get blown up. Learn from your mistakes. Repeat.
Not exactly these words, but 100 Rifters for sure. |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 13:53:20 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:My first combat level 1 missions were in an Ibis with a single drone. The drone did most of the work. By the time I was doing level 4 missions, I think I was averaging around 10m per missions, plus salvage and sale of drops. These days I do a couple missions a month to earn LP for charters for my tower, usually level 3 missions using an Assault Frigate, because I find that fun. Tau, I really appreciate your time that you put into sharing your experience. I am learning from you guys a lot, believe it or not.
Regarding to mission running, I can say that they are good for learning the game mechanics and how to use different tools for their intended purposes. As for getting ISK to get decent ships and fittings, not so much.
I ran the whole Business Agent line. Well I got some isk. The last 10th mission was the most disapointing. Spent four hours of game time and about 2 mil isk (from my mining). Yes, the money spending was my mistake - bought the wrong ore for reprocessing the first time (hey, I am a total noob after all). And after all that I got a 600k isk industrial ship I have no idea what to do with. I guess I could sell it at a big loss.
Again, thank you Tau for sharing! It really helps.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 14:53:01 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:I did not read your entire text wall Don't blame you . Usually, I avoid annoying people with long walls of text (actually 99% of the time I am just quietly reading in the background).
ergherhdfgh wrote:the gankers are not going anywhere Good! Otherwise who do I hunt when (or if) I get the ship and have my Skills trained ? I will definitely not jump unsuspecting miners, especially the newbie ones.
ergherhdfgh wrote:that trying to talk the devs out of it won't happen. The thought did not even cross my mind. Several armed ships attacking one or more other armed ships is perfectly fine with me. Attacking unsuspecting newbie miners in hi-sec is definitely wrong, imo. So I am in total agreement with CCP devs (not that they care ).
ergherhdfgh wrote:I moved to null sec I still have a lot to learn before venturing into null sec. The only exception might be if I decide to use a cheap frigate, that I do not mind losing in a gate ganking. |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:03:01 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:your response to Tau was a bit too well organized for a week old player Believe it or not I am a "week old player"! Did I mention that I am reading a lot ? And I consider myself pretty good at reading between the lines.
I am part of that born in USSR generation that got burned a lot in real life (famous Perestroika and the nightmare that followed). I guess it transfers into the game space too. |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:36:50 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:1. This is a PVP game, blowing up ships is THE FUN in this game. I am totally in sync with this. It is a game after all. My only problem was with the affirmation of blowing ships in hi-sec. I am in hi-sec and I am a noob who still does not know how to detect potential attackers. That was the only reason I posted. Now from all your replies I gather that the threat was overly exaggerated and although the risk still exists it is minor. That gives me the hope that I will have enough time to figure out the game mechanics to spot the gankers and hopefully outrun them In other words I was worried that I will not be able to get the step 0 you are mentioning.
Quote:2. Most of us started as solo players, but making friends is easy. Your goal shouldn't be to stay solo. That is my objective (not to stay solo). For now, I just want to avoid the scams, that would lead to unnecessary frustration with the game.
I will gladly join a group of like-minded players. Just need time to figure out how to find (identify) those. |

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Posted - 2016.05.23 15:48:59 -
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Lan Wang wrote:are you a code? Definitely NOT! But a Code troll would say the same, wouldn't he/she ? Well now that I know (from you guys) that the threat from them to newbies is not that high, I do not have to ever raise this question again. Just to hunt them down when the time comes.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 16:04:45 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:So, don't sweat CODE or other suicide gankers. Thank you Pandora! I got that.
Quote:I'm watching my Dscan and actively listening to for warp ins If you have a couple of seconds could you give me more details. Maybe direct me to a post, guide, youtube video that provides more details on this. I have no idea how to do it yet.
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Posted - 2016.05.23 16:44:38 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:I just want to hit a few points here and there. I did not want my post to sound like complaining. Sorry if it sounded like that to you!
My point was to find out ways to stay out of unnecessary trouble (frustration). As I mentioned before, thanks to the people who replied to my original post now I know that I had a wrong first impression.
Also, everything I read in the beginning about Eve was "in game scams", "don't join corporation's that you don't know anyone from in real life" ... I can continue the list.
Thanks to all the people that replied (including you of course) I now have a much better understanding of the game and the people in it.
So I would say that the topic can be closed, as the original question (gankers attacking newbie miners in hi-sec) was answered long ago.
Thank you all! |

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Posted - 2016.05.31 22:33:47 -
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Hello ladies and gentlemen!
I have been reading your posts all this time so your efforts typing were not wasted (not that most of you really care ).
I was also reading a lot of other topics on this forum and other websites. As I said before I am pretty good at reading between the lines, so here is my conclusion (general):
Being a hapless noob I raised a subject that was discussed many times and by the majority of the Eve's community the practice was "branded" as immoral (in the very moral world of Eve ). Everyone (the majority at least) does it, but rare ones admit it .
You are allowed (and seemingly encouraged) to kill a new character who has no idea about the Eve's world, mechanics and who's overwhelmed by the game's complexity.
So much fun for the experienced players (shooting at sitting ducks)! Much more, of course, than picking a decent opponent for an equal fight and risking your expensive ship. Better kill the noob now (easy kill, something to brag on killboards), the moment he/she leaves the station, as he is presenting a danger for the Eve's economy and needs to be eliminated (better kicked out of the game) before he spends too much time mining some "enormous" amount of Veldspar in his rookie ship or Venture (for the smarter ones).
OK, I got it!!!! Subject closed (at least for me).
As the famous biblical Job said: "Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes." Who am I to question the "gods" of Eve.
See you (maybe) in the Eve's universe! Going back to the game as my Talwar (that I got from Mike) is sitting in the docks.
P.S. I am really grateful to those of you who posted useful information, or at least did not give me "attitude". |

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Posted - 2016.09.07 14:24:13 -
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Hi guys! (and hello ladies, if there are any real ones around here)
Since I have posted that question quite a bit of time has passed.
I had enough time to decide to quit Eve and next day realise that it is too late - I am hooked!
I appreciate all your effort with your replies. Fortunately, thanks to many people on this forum and my time in the game I found my own niche in the sand-box.
I decided to stay a "carebear" as I do not have the time and freedom to participate in an active null sec/wh corp and I do not want to join a passive one (why would I, I am paying my sub with real money so do not have to grind for PLEX). Mining, exploration, maybe some low sec/wh adventures - that is my choice for now. These days I am missioning for standings with some corps. Do not care much about isk/hr.
Now I can't wait to see what Eve will look like after the alphas are introduced (not much hope there).
So thanks again!
Fly safe (or dangerous, whatever is your choice)!
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