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Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5835	Posted - 2016.05.31 14:15:54 - [91] - Quote Hi OP! Only just saw your post. I'm the one you replied to. Welcome to EVE, where everything you do involves imposing your will onto a multiplayer game world. If you mine, you are harming everyone that already owns the type of minerals you are mining. They have to compete with you to sell ore, or to sell completed products. (By mining, you, of course, also help some players - the net consumers of minerals, mostly alliances aspiring toward owning supercapital fleets and the biggest Citadels). The counterplay to you imposing your will on the game world is for other players to prevent you doing so. Ganking is one of the tools in our arsenal. Mining AFK is a method of magnifying your impact on the game world - you devote a few minutes to getting set up then have the impact of an hour or more of mining. Higher reward - but a much higher risk. Both NPC ships and other players will try to blow you up. This isn't a cooperative game. Hell, it stands for 'everyone versus everyone'. Now, go out there and shoot someone in the face (in game of course). Win or lose, you'll probably both have fun. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Elinarien Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2016.05.31 15:01:53 - [92] - Quote Not this subject again. I've played this game mostly solo since 2010 and the tools are there that will allow anyone to make money safely and without any concern for the time wasters such as code. Indeed I've never lost a ship to a ganker. So stop wasting time by complaining and make use of dotlan and killboards to stay safe and making isk.
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. 464	Posted - 2016.05.31 15:27:55 - [93] - Quote Elinarien wrote: Not this subject again. I've played this game mostly solo since 2010 and the tools are there that will allow anyone to make money safely and without any concern for the time wasters such as code. Indeed I've never lost a ship to a ganker. So stop wasting time by complaining and make use of dotlan and killboards to stay safe and making isk. I like you Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
eddie valvetino Snuff Box Snuffed Out 199	Posted - 2016.05.31 17:44:12 - [94] - Quote Elinarien wrote: Not this subject again. I've played this game mostly solo since 2010 and the tools are there that will allow anyone to make money safely and without any concern for the time wasters such as code. Indeed I've never lost a ship to a ganker. So stop wasting time by complaining and make use of dotlan and killboards to stay safe and making isk. also ^^ this ^^
Blood Retributor Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 29	Posted - 2016.05.31 22:33:47 - [95] - Quote Hello ladies and gentlemen! I have been reading your posts all this time so your efforts typing were not wasted (not that most of you really care ). I was also reading a lot of other topics on this forum and other websites. As I said before I am pretty good at reading between the lines, so here is my conclusion (general): Being a hapless noob I raised a subject that was discussed many times and by the majority of the Eve's community the practice was "branded" as immoral (in the very moral world of Eve ). Everyone (the majority at least) does it, but rare ones admit it . You are allowed (and seemingly encouraged) to kill a new character who has no idea about the Eve's world, mechanics and who's overwhelmed by the game's complexity. So much fun for the experienced players (shooting at sitting ducks)! Much more, of course, than picking a decent opponent for an equal fight and risking your expensive ship. Better kill the noob now (easy kill, something to brag on killboards), the moment he/she leaves the station, as he is presenting a danger for the Eve's economy and needs to be eliminated (better kicked out of the game) before he spends too much time mining some "enormous" amount of Veldspar in his rookie ship or Venture (for the smarter ones). OK, I got it!!!! Subject closed (at least for me). As the famous biblical Job said: "Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes." Who am I to question the "gods" of Eve. See you (maybe) in the Eve's universe! Going back to the game as my Talwar (that I got from Mike) is sitting in the docks. P.S. I am really grateful to those of you who posted useful information, or at least did not give me "attitude".
Tengu Grib Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 1515	Posted - 2016.06.01 17:46:17 - [96] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: True story. I left my afk miner in a belt for about 3 hours on saturday - just sitting there. When I finally got back to my computer I noticed I had full shields but only 8% armor (hull intact). Closer inspection showed 5 dessy wrecks next to me. 2 amarr, 2 gallente and 1 minny. I'm in a 0.6 in a mack. Nothing special on the fittings - standard t2 stuff. I'm not sure how/what the deal is/was. How does a mack survive 5 dessy? Why didn't they come back for round 2 and finish the job? What happened??? There were maybe 3 fac po still in the belt w/ me and concord was sitting outside a station w/ the noobship wrecks, so I know they pulled them, but didn't come back and finish. I'm more confused than relieved by surviving the event. The wrecks timed out and disappeared about 15 min after I got back, so they had almost 2 hrs to finish a mack that was down to 8% armor. Any thoughts would be appreciated. lol that's funny. My best guess is people trying out ganking for the first (or at least early in their practice) time. Probably their skills weren't up to par, or their fits were bad (I've seen people claiming rail cats are better for ganking, and I had to very calmly explain to them to no, no they weren't). As to why they didn't come back? Good question. Didn't have supplies to reship? Thought they were all hot to trot and got frustrated at the first failure? Overall an interesting situation to say the least. Rabble Rabble Rabble Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 1515	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:00:35 - [97] - Quote Blood Retributor wrote: Hello ladies and gentlemen! I have been reading your posts all this time so your efforts typing were not wasted (not that most of you really care ). I was also reading a lot of other topics on this forum and other websites. As I said before I am pretty good at reading between the lines, so here is my conclusion (general): Being a hapless noob I raised a subject that was discussed many times and by the majority of the Eve's community the practice was "branded" as immoral (in the very moral world of Eve ). Everyone (the majority at least) does it, but rare ones admit it . You are allowed (and seemingly encouraged) to kill a new character who has no idea about the Eve's world, mechanics and who's overwhelmed by the game's complexity. So much fun for the experienced players (shooting at sitting ducks)! Much more, of course, than picking a decent opponent for an equal fight and risking your expensive ship. Better kill the noob now (easy kill, something to brag on killboards), the moment he/she leaves the station, as he is presenting a danger for the Eve's economy and needs to be eliminated (better kicked out of the game) before he spends too much time mining some "enormous" amount of Veldspar in his rookie ship or Venture (for the smarter ones). OK, I got it!!!! Subject closed (at least for me). As the famous biblical Job said: "Therefore I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes." Who am I to question the "gods" of Eve. See you (maybe) in the Eve's universe! Going back to the game as my Talwar (that I got from Mike) is sitting in the docks. P.S. I am really grateful to those of you who posted useful information, or at least did not give me "attitude". I thought you said you were good at reading between the lines? Damn near every conclusion you made there is wrong. To get started, if you get into an evenly matched fair fight, you screwed up. Battle is about victory, not some abstract artificial Space Honor. Your job as a pilot is to convince your opponent the fight is in his favor, (even if only slightly) so that he commits to the engagement. Once he does, that's when you reveal that the odds are actually in your favor and he's screwed. If he's better than you, you'll find out he was actually right and you're the one that's screwed. Either way, if it's actually a fair fight, you both screwed up. Eve is a violent multiplayer game. Caring is sharing (bullets, preferably at high velocity). Eve is harsh, Eve is brutal. Your decisions have consequences, sometimes you get lucky and avoid them, other times you don't. But every decision you make has consequences and you need to be prepared to deal with them. That means that if you choose to go AFK you need to accept that you might come back to find yourself in a station with no ship. As to the skills, stop making excuses and get out there and learn to fly. Fly cheap. Join a group that will provide you with ships, that way you're not losing your own money. And then insure the ships they give you, that way you're actually making money by dying. You'll never learn how to PVP ready a god damn forum, the forum is mostly here for bittervets to ***** at each other. This is Eve, it is the greatest terrible game ever. The people make it great, not the mining mechanics. Get out there and see what makes it so great, or stop wasting your time mining afk while you read forums. I hope to see you in space! Preferably in my fleet, or in my locked target ui! <3 Rabble Rabble Rabble Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Callim Opper SYNDAX CORPORATION Yulai Federation 1	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:04:51 - [98] - Quote AFK mining is I believe like leaving yer flashy wife in a bar full of sailors..it's not gonna be there when ya get back and if it is its gonna be heavily messed around with. Why do it unless yer in a place that's SO safe yer essentially playing on your own or with your SPECIAL FRIENDS... This is life..you gotta realise that every hormonal 14 year old, full of ** and bravado is gonna get in a Despite and shoot ** up. Just sit in the cab and mine..unless you have the magic undying barge that is.
Tengu Grib Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 1515	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:06:29 - [99] - Quote If you want, hit me up. Rabble is recruiting and you can learn to PVP while still doing your whole mining thing, if you really have to. Rabble Rabble Rabble Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Tengu Grib Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 1515	Posted - 2016.06.01 18:07:23 - [100] - Quote Callim Opper wrote: AFK mining is I believe like leaving yer flashy wife in a bar full of sailors..it's not gonna be there when ya get back and if it is its gonna be heavily messed around with. Why do it unless yer in a place that's SO safe yer essentially playing on your own or with your SPECIAL FRIENDS... This is life..you gotta realise that every hormonal 14 year old, full of ** and bravado is gonna get in a Despite and shoot ** up. Just sit in the cab and mine..unless you have the magic undying barge that is. I like the cut of your jib. Rabble Rabble Rabble Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Fred Kyong Grollwerk 49	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:19:36 - [101] - Quote Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came.
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine 476	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:31:59 - [102] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. You are contradicting yourself on the first two points you made... lol You want safety, well...... uninstall the game haha! EVE was never meant to be a "safe" environment, neither was highsec. And no, eve isn't dying... only the afk bears are Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
Fred Kyong Grollwerk 49	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:47:16 - [103] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. You are contradicting yourself on the first two points you made... lol You want safety, well...... uninstall the game haha! EVE was never meant to be a "safe" environment, neither was highsec. And no, eve isn't dying... only the afk bears are Well, if the afk bears are paying customers and they pulled their subscription and their paying multiboxing accounts, then I suppose you will make this bussiness for CCP up with ganking. I bet. I had 6? or 8? multiboxing accounts and inlcuding me their where all on subscription. Now there is just 1 :) Your turn.
Tengu Grib Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance 1517	Posted - 2016.06.01 19:49:48 - [104] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. My first CEO taught me to avoid gankers within my first week in Eve. Eve isn't meant to be easy, or safe. You can keep yourself from harm, but you need to learn how to do it. In my years of mining I only ever lost 1 ship to gankers, 14 cats landing on you will do that. I didn't mind as they dedicated a lot to get the kill. Safe spaces already exist, they are called starter systems. Once you leave them, you're fair game. Rabble Rabble Rabble Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine 477	Posted - 2016.06.01 22:40:56 - [105] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. You are contradicting yourself on the first two points you made... lol You want safety, well...... uninstall the game haha! EVE was never meant to be a "safe" environment, neither was highsec. And no, eve isn't dying... only the afk bears are Well, if the afk bears are paying customers and they pulled their subscription and their paying multiboxing accounts, then I suppose you will make this bussiness for CCP up with ganking. I bet. I had 6? or 8? multiboxing accounts and inlcuding me their where all on subscription. Now there is just 1 :) Your turn. There's just one because you can't use isboxer to imput broadcasting lol You blaming this on gankers is like blaming the cake maker because he makes cake hahaha Go cry a river to someone who cares. Besides, one guy with 8 account is irrelevant, since there's way more subbed players Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26189	Posted - 2016.06.01 23:06:36 - [106] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. You are contradicting yourself on the first two points you made... lol You want safety, well...... uninstall the game haha! EVE was never meant to be a "safe" environment, neither was highsec. And no, eve isn't dying... only the afk bears are Well, if the afk bears are paying customers and they pulled their subscription and their paying multiboxing accounts, then I suppose you will make this bussiness for CCP up with ganking. I bet. I had 6? or 8? multiboxing accounts and inlcuding me their where all on subscription. Now there is just 1 :) Your turn. CCP have been fine with people pulling their subs because they don't like the nature of the game for over a decade, your argument is moot. Also safe spots, the only safe spots in Eve are the ones that you make for yourself. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Fred Kyong Grollwerk 49	Posted - 2016.06.02 23:51:17 - [107] - Quote Wow- So much intelligent comments
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine 480	Posted - 2016.06.03 02:03:02 - [108] - Quote Don't be a Freddy Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1133	Posted - 2016.06.06 17:44:47 - [109] - Quote Blood Retributor wrote: Lots of fun, right? You know how they call in the army the "bold" (courageous, daring, etc.) newbies who get into stuff without being prepared or ready? Reckless idiots! Dangerous to themselves and even worse to others. As I do not want to behave like a reckless idiot (even if it is a game), I am mining to get money for a better ship for lowsec and training skills to be able to use it. Now, a bunch of "payed guns" like you is coming to hi-sec to ruin my chance of even starting to have fun. But this IS NOT the army. It IS a game. You are allowed to do stupid things without getting your ass into serious trouble. Risk is part of the fun. Finding your limits and and going beyond too.That is exactly what this kind of games are for. Within reasonable limits regarding rl obviously. Don't spend time or money that you cannot afford. Remove insurance.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12267	Posted - 2016.06.06 18:04:00 - [110] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. I bet you weep into your microphone when someone comes along and mines the same asteroid you're mining from, or when someone undercuts your order by 0.01 ISK. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2571	Posted - 2016.06.06 23:57:42 - [111] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. CCP Falcon is right. Eve is harsh and it should stay this way. But harsh does not mean you are bullied, under constant harassment and ganking. Eve has the right to design their game like they want. Players in Eve have the rights to pull their subscription if they dont like it and when there is no other option as being harassed and ganked, even in safe spots. A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. Orcas need a mining permit too. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Areen Sassel 116	Posted - 2016.06.07 14:18:39 - [112] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: A game should be designed best to hit the interests of every possible player- and in the end every paying customer. If the business is not focused on that, it will go like it came. It's been 13 years and in those 13 years countless MMOs have been and gone [1], but EVE not only continues but makes enough money for CCP to bleed it away on side projects. Can't be that much of a recipe for disaster. You've made a common error. Mass-market appeal is one route to success - it works for World of Walking - but so is carving out a niche and sticking to that niche. It'll never be everyone's cup of tea, but at least you don't risk the next WoW coming and destroying you. [1] and yes, I'm still salty about City of Heroes.
Eris Discordiaa Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.06.08 09:54:06 - [113] - Quote Its right to blew up whatever, what is technically possible and not against the Eula. The reason why to blew up, is not important. It can be reasons such as afk or autopilot, but also such as "i dont like your profil" or "i am bored" "i want to steal your loot" or there can be also no reason. The answer is: you can do it, if you like to do it. And the answer is, you can protect yourself, if you like to do it. EVE exist since that long time, thanks also to the crime and gankers. If something get out of controll, such as Hyperdunking or Freighterganks, CCP intervent. They changed the mechanics and made it more difficult. This was a right step for this 2 cases. For the normal highsec crime, such as ganking miners, gate-ganks with trashers or vexors / moa, undock ganks at hubs, there is in this days no reason to change anything, nothing is out of controll. Technics, stategies, "brain on", give each pilot the possibility to protect you and avoid 90-95 % of possible ganks. Each action can have its consequences. If you autopilot, afk mine, fit-wrong ship, hauler, but also if you pve or pvp. How many ships got lost in pve for all stupid mistakes? Each mistake give the great chance to learn, to avoid, to become better. But, as in real life, not all persons are able or willed to understand and to improve. Without all this crime, this action, eve would have been dead since years.
Fiddly Pop The Conference Elite CODE. 41	Posted - 2016.06.08 20:59:40 - [114] - Quote Fred Kyong wrote: Blood Retributor is right. Players should have the option to be safe or in a challenging environment as they choose. ... CCP has given you that. haven't you noticed the "Enter Captain's Quarters" & "Undock" buttons.
Robertina Palazzo 13	Posted - 2016.06.10 02:31:57 - [115] - Quote Ganking is simple. People suck at pvp, so they look for targets that cannot fight back or at least allow an advantage they can live with. This is why they result to tactics of desperately hunting easy kills while risking as little as possible, because they know they can't win any other way. It is the only way they can feel "safe" and pvp while preaching about others feeling "safe" by their selective engagements. Welcome to eve.
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine 485	Posted - 2016.06.10 03:13:32 - [116] - Quote Robertina Palazzo wrote: Ganking is simple. People suck at pvp, so they look for targets that cannot fight back or at least allow an advantage they can live with. This is why they result to tactics of desperately hunting easy kills while risking as little as possible, because they know they can't win any other way. It is the only way they can feel "safe" and pvp while preaching about others feeling "safe" by their selective engagements. Welcome to eve. It's harder than it looks hahaha Maybe you should give it a try to add some green on your kb XD Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
You Scare Me Wicked Clowning 0	Posted - 2016.06.10 05:38:56 - [117] - Quote I love it. I've just started and it's great fun!
Elite Harvester Elite Harvesters 63	Posted - 2016.06.10 05:51:51 - [118] - Quote I can summarize the entire thousand-word original post in a single smiley: Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how *you can help* save Highsec.
Robertina Palazzo 14	Posted - 2016.06.10 14:10:42 - [119] - Quote Dom Arkaral wrote: Robertina Palazzo wrote: Ganking is simple. People suck at pvp, so they look for targets that cannot fight back or at least allow an advantage they can live with. This is why they result to tactics of desperately hunting easy kills while risking as little as possible, because they know they can't win any other way. It is the only way they can feel "safe" and pvp while preaching about others feeling "safe" by their selective engagements. Welcome to eve. It's harder than it looks hahaha Maybe you should give it a try to add some green on your kb XD if i wanted to kd whore id just buy a titan for an alt , put it in a neutral corp, and blow it up. I'm more of a net profit/loss for time invested to goals type, not a "i fly frigates for muh kda" type
Dom Arkaral Kiss. Kill. Destroy. Section.Nine 486	Posted - 2016.06.10 14:24:31 - [120] - Quote Robertina Palazzo wrote: Dom Arkaral wrote: Robertina Palazzo wrote: Ganking is simple. People suck at pvp, so they look for targets that cannot fight back or at least allow an advantage they can live with. This is why they result to tactics of desperately hunting easy kills while risking as little as possible, because they know they can't win any other way. It is the only way they can feel "safe" and pvp while preaching about others feeling "safe" by their selective engagements. Welcome to eve. It's harder than it looks hahaha Maybe you should give it a try to add some green on your kb XD if i wanted to kd whore id just buy a titan for an alt , put it in a neutral corp, and blow it up. I'm more of a net profit/loss for time invested to goals type, not a "i fly frigates for muh kda" type You don't seem to invest much time on your kb then hahah Go on, go gank a mack in hs.. tell me how easy it is ;) Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r Gù+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser Gù+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!

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