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Iam Cloaked
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.24 07:35:06 -
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Since practically all of the C5/C6 W-space is controlled by Goon/PL pets, why not let them build and bring their supers inside and hammer the final nail in the coffin for the rest of us, who miss the times when W-space was different than nullsec sov space.
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
2227
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Posted - 2016.05.24 08:39:05 -
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Iam Cloaked wrote:
Posting from an alt for obvious reasons
Yeah, cowardice.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Sith1s Spectre
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.05.24 09:15:24 -
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You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo.
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Superchick
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.05.24 10:03:17 -
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For a guy who don't even know how courier contracts work, you seem to have an in dept view of how W-space politics work and who the players are.
Not to mention how "it used to be".
Maybe, just maybe, you made that tinfoil hat a bit too thick?
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Rek Seven
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
2227
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Posted - 2016.05.24 10:07:02 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo.
Then some groups would have 30 supers to fight off a 10 man dread invasion... May as well just let them build titans at that point
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Sith1s Spectre
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.05.24 10:52:47 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo. Then some groups would have 30 supers to fight off a 10 man dread invasion... May as well just let them build titans at that point
can't they already put doomsdays on their fortizars? What's the difference?
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Iam Cloaked
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.05.24 11:26:06 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo. Then some groups would have 30 supers to fight off a 10 man dread invasion... May as well just let them build titans at that point
That's the whole point, to strip the attackers of any hope of invading your hole. If you have a Keepstar in your wormhole you're already near-impregnable and if you have supers docked in it you're just giving the attackers one less reason to invade your hole and saving them trouble, time and billions of losses. |
Pinkylein
Rolling Static
Sleeping Dragons
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Posted - 2016.05.24 11:32:03 -
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo. Then some groups would have 30 supers to fight off a 10 man dread invasion... May as well just let them build titans at that point can't they already put doomsdays on their fortizars? What's the difference?
Yeah one Doomsday ... thats the difference ... only one ... compared to a possible "many" doomsdays when bringing several titans. And since the attackers can still come with alot of caps ... there needs to be at least one mechanic on a keepstar (not a fortizar) - that alone costs more then 50 times then one normal cap, not even included with fittings and rigs - that allows to well ... defend against several possible caps.
That would be the same as to say "only one titan is allowed to bring in a big fight in nullsec, even if 500 people are fighting".
But yeah ... if supers would be allowed in wh-space, some entities would just build up a crazy amount of those ... and getting them out of their wh by whatever chance would take longer then goons loosing their entire sov. |
Iam Cloaked
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.05.24 11:41:47 -
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Superchick wrote:For a guy who don't even know how courier contracts work, you seem to have an in dept view of how W-space politics work and who the players are.
Not to mention how "it used to be".
Maybe, just maybe, you made that tinfoil hat a bit too thick?
Posting from an alt for obvious reasons
Wanting to know the reasoning behind the "Are you sure you want to complete this contract" message doesn't necessarily imply I don't understand how courier contracts works. |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
356
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Posted - 2016.05.24 11:55:29 -
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TIL i am a goon/PL pet.
Allowing the defenders to have an advantage that attackers can basically never have would have a purely negative effect on WH space. Your justification of " its the same as ___" is flawed, because it isnt the same. Supers are a different breed than standard capitals. I dont see any positive benefit to this change, and when it was seriously suggested by Fozzie back in January we were very quick to stamp it out.
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Iam Cloaked
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:18:10 -
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ExookiZ wrote:TIL i am a goon/PL pet.
Allowing the defenders to have an advantage that attackers can basically never have would have a purely negative effect on WH space. Your justification of " its the same as ___" is flawed, because it isnt the same. Supers are a different breed than standard capitals. I dont see any positive benefit to this change, and when it was seriously suggested by Fozzie back in January we were very quick to stamp it out.
As mentioned in a third post above yours, defenders already have a massive advantage if they have a Keepstar in their hole. Now we can change the topic to whether allowing Keepstars to be built inside wormholes was a good idea, but assuming it was, then I think supers should be allowed in wormholes since one of the main purposes of Keepstars was to store them. |
Phteven Hackett
Overload This
5
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:36:06 -
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1/10
For just 10 billion isk, I will teach you how to improve your troll posts. |
Wander Prian
Perkone
Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:41:38 -
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I still remember the days when it was "post with your main or GTFO" I want those days back.
And keep the supercapitals out of wormholes. They don't belong in W-space. |
Iam Cloaked
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2016.05.24 13:18:35 -
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Phteven Hackett wrote:1/10
For just 10 billion isk, I will teach you how to improve your troll posts.
And I'm sure someone will offer the same for a way lower price
0/10 be less greedy |
Glyndi
Doom Generation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 14:26:49 -
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NoobMan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2016.05.24 14:37:47 -
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It would be fun to hunt and kill the dumb people that try and PvE with them. But it gives the defender way too much advantage.
HK would have a massive super fleet lol.
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
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Posted - 2016.05.24 14:58:40 -
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allowing titans or supercarriers into wormhole space could make alot of good fighting and so many drama and tears the new armor plates already asks for wormhole totall mass increasing but thats is up to ccp if they would like this.
why no for supercarriers and no for titans
- too large advantage to defenders
- they could cause fall of low-end corporations taht occupy the c5 , c6 wormholes (blast them with supers ftw)
- could make ratting too easy
why let them into wormhole
- because they look nice , especially avatars and erebus for wolf rayet and leviathan ragnarok for pulsar wormholes
- with some aoe weapons sush bubbles from supers (they can drop bubble lasting like 30 seconds) so can get some short tackle
- supercarriers can use expensive way to one or two-shot kill dread or carrier/faux (shadows with true-sacrifice)
- harder to tackle by sleepers
to be honest allowing supers to wormhole space could make huge destabilisation and potentially kill wormhole space occupants and make them just supercarrier/titan hideout and evictions with those could be much easier , maybe too easy
10/10 i would like to see supercarriers in wormhole space with one exception the capital armor plates/capital shield extenders could lose 50% of functionality on supercarriers/titans in wormhole space |
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.05.24 17:15:23 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Iam Cloaked wrote:
Posting from an alt for obvious reasons
Yeah, cowardice.
whoah we agree on something
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Jack Miton
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
4886
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Posted - 2016.05.24 21:54:18 -
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bad idea is bad
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
Separatists
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Posted - 2016.05.24 22:46:31 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Sith1s Spectre wrote:You know what. Once they finish up with the citadels and the industry for them why not?
It has to be stuck there obviously but honestly it's no worse than people have 30 dreads/carriers/faxes in the hole imo. Then some groups would have 30 supers to fight off a 10 man dread invasion... May as well just let them build titans at that point
Titans that can bridge to any point in k-space! Yes. |
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:16:56 -
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Honestly could care less about this. The list of those who could actually build a use a super is small. And the people who could build a fleet. Well supers or not you won't be evicting hk.
Besides. Imagine catching people's idiot bearing nyxs!
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Glyndi
Doom Generation
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Posted - 2016.05.24 23:26:45 -
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This is such a bad idea, plz stahp |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.25 02:12:07 -
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Glyndi wrote:This is such a bad idea, plz stahp
^ THIS... dont even tempt fozzie..
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Seraph Essael
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1196
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Posted - 2016.05.25 03:07:40 -
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helana Tsero wrote:Glyndi wrote:This is such a bad idea, plz stahp ^ THIS... dont even tempt fozzie..
Too late, he's probably already seen it and rubbing his hands together cackling...
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ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:20:43 -
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This isnt a new idea, FOzzie already tried, and was properly shouted down back in January when he wanted to allow super carriers to be built and/or moved into C6s with Citadel.
I think many of you overestimate how pricey or hard it would be to build some supers. Most corps that really wanted one can farm the isk needed in well under a week if they actually went out for that purpose. Likewise supers are not that easy to take down,and with the new way fighters work a lone nyx is quite an adversary, not something you just catch ratting in an anom and take down with a couple buddies. Not saying theyre invincible, but if you think carriers are too hard tot ake down with small gangs, the idea of taking down a nyx or hel is even more laughable.
Event Organizer of EVE North East
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Pinkylein
Rolling Static
Sleeping Dragons
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:36:11 -
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I mean they could just create C7 wh's then ... as an addition for supers, with wh mass restrictions that even after 20 titans jumping in and out, the wh is not verge.
Then the "Super"-Alliances/Corps could have some playground.
But then i want some supercarrier-drifter ships inside, that comes with 30.000 DPS per ship in 20+ waves, with super-escalations only. Something around that. And maybe a new class of mean drifter ships that has like triple-doomsday devices.
Normal High-Class WH's are not affected then, and still can live in peace and there are those super-crazy extreme-end wh's that have maybe only NS/C6 statics or something like that ... only as no effects or Red Giant.
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Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.05.25 16:30:18 -
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ExookiZ wrote: Likewise supers are not that easy to take down,and with the new way fighters work a lone nyx is quite an adversary, not something you just catch ratting in an anom and take down with a couple buddies. Not saying theyre invincible, but if you think carriers are too hard tot ake down with small gangs, the idea of taking down a nyx or hel is even more laughable.
It will be logoff traps or batphoneing basically.
Like how rainbow knights used to be the defacto I caught a nyx and need ishtars stat.
In the end I really don't care one way or another because it wouldn't change all that much imo.
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TurboX3
Hax.
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.06.01 19:58:51 -
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You should allow Supers to use S199 or N944 wormholes but 1 jump only and it closes behind.
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