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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2007.03.01 06:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Rudy
appear? Appear? Sister, we have long since faded from the "appearence" stage. We ARE on the verge of a civil war, we have been since the end of the war against the Amarrians.
Perhaps, although as you say we've been in this position since the beginning of the Republic and not yet crossed that line. There is too much reluctance to shed each other's blood, to make ourselves as vulnerable again as we were before. That is why I say "appear": we will squabble, rattle sabers, even riot and seem as though we are lifting a foot to take that step into internal warfare, but I'm not convinced that final step is a serious consideration yet. (Though I suppose that even if I were, I would not admit it where the vultures lurk.)
Originally by: Rudy
The question is not if war will come to the sons and daughters of Matar, but when, and in what form. Will I be fighting my Sebiestor friend, or my Amarrian enemy?
You left the Republic; would you fight either, should war come, or will you maintain your distance?
I find myself agreeing somewhat with Kabajashi San. Our pride is both our strength and our weakness. It is what kept us apart from each other, vulnerable to the larger Amarran empire, and what threatens to tear us apart again right now; but it is also what allowed us to maintain our identities and our spirits through the dark years of captivity. It is what kept us ready for the moment when freedom would have a chance, rather than being absorbed and indoctrinated as the Ni-Kunni and Nefantyr were.
And it is what will allow us to survive, whether we shatter ourselves in civil war or expend our strength on the destruction of the Amarran religion of oppression.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.01 07:27:00 -
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The solution to this crisis is quite simple. The people want new leadership. Let them choose new leaders or if they want let them choose the old leaders, but let them choose.
The current leadership are clearly not the voice of the people so they use others tools to make their voices heard. The voices were polite and even pleading at first but they were ignored. Then the people joined rallies and they were ignored until they became large enough to cause these leaders fear. Then they again ignored this voice of the people and herded them like cattle. The response was violence. It was both regretable and understandable.
Still the voice of the people is ignored even though it has risen from a whisper to a cry that threatens death and destruction.
Originally by: Kashaul Murik
The Republic will ignore these people at their own peril.
Wise words, I have said the same myself. The Republic is supposed to represent these people yet all evidence suggests they are not doing their job.
All the Republic leadership need do to end this crisis is to give the people another voice other than violence. Let them have what they want, let them choose new representation.
Karin Midular, even if it is your final act as Prime Minister at least show the people what it means to be a responsible leader. At least once.
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Christa Larne
Minmatar
Matari Fleet Recon
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Christa Larne on 01/03/2007 17:45:23
The problem is by no means that simple; I wish it were. When you say the Republic needs new leadership what you mean is that you want it to have new leadership that thinks and acts along the lines you consider necessary. You want the Republic to be united, but you cannot claim to be disinterested in the use to which we put that unity.
I agree that we need to be more united but it is beyond that where we disagree. While I suspect you want to see a Republic united in the pursiot of a bloody and unwinnable war, I want to see a Republic that unites the tribes and is capable of standing strong in the face of aggression from its neighbours. I want to see us set aside the purely reactive politics of hatred and prejudice and build a world where all Matari are welcome, irrespective of their heritage or bloodline. Only when that is done can we address the problems of our lost brothers and sisters.
I believe Karin Midular shares the vision I have just described of a strong Republic where all Matari are welcome. It is the inability of those blinded by hatred and anger and the unwillingness of those consumed with self-interest to engage with that vision that leaves us unable to move forward. It is not the acts, or lack of them, of one person that brings the Republic to where it stands today.
Call for a new leader if you will. Sebiestor still control the parliament and I believe a majority of us share Midular's view of the future. What will you do when we replace her with someone of a similar mind? Will you finally recognise that the only way forward is through working together or will you move from words into actions and strike the first blow in the civil war that will destroy the Republic and plunge the Matari people back into the darkness? In your anger and hatred will you destroy that which even the Amarr could not destroy?
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.01 19:16:00 -
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Wise words, Mr. Thrace. However, keep in mind the length of time that might be spent "choosing" a new leader, for any leader appointed would be met with just as much hositility and disapproval as Midular is now. The issues presented have much too strong an opposition on both sides to find a true nuetrality that is both beneficial to the Republic, as well as soothing to the prides and egos of the Matari people.
The Federation took more than two years just to elect a new president. The Amarr peoples still exist in an empire sans an Emperor. If the issues prevalent were not as large a political hotbed as the ones presented to us here in this forum of debate, what makes you think we could find a leader both sides could consider to be appropriate for the needs and future of the Minmatar?
Assuming that a leader both sides deemed acceptable could be found, would either side consider it a win in their favor? That would be like Maggot and Gaven deciding to join forces and forge a harmonious empire together, or Ms. Constantine agreeing to father Tomahawk Bliss's children. I cannot see it happening, unless all parties involved were thoroughly high on some sort of booster. Neither side would be capable of claiming victory, and both sides would feel like they had ended up with a thoroughly ineffectual leader, and we would all be right back where we started. The only difference would be, they would only have themselves to blame.
Is it possible to look past the hot blood flowing through our veins and come together in peace to forge a lasting union of all the tribes and factions? Can we, as a people, look past the bitterness to come to a peaceable, and acceptable to all, solution?
When I ponder that, I worry for the future of not only the Republic, but of all the Minmatar people.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.01 23:57:00 -
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Quote:
"The problem is by no means that simple; I wish it were. When you say the Republic needs new leadership what you mean is that you want it to have new leadership that thinks and acts along the lines you consider necessary."
The problem is that the people are demanding new leadership and are not being allowed to choose new leaders. Midular is prepared to have them shot in the streets and the people are prepared to use violence as it is increasingly the only option open to them. I don't want to see the Republic tear itself apart just because Midular won't let the people choose who leads them. Let the people choose and you give them another option instead of violence. THe problem is that simple.
Of course I would like to see leadership more sympathetic to groups like Ushra'Khan or the Thukker. More importantly I want to see the people given a voice before they start bombing government buildings. The Republic needs new leadership. That new leadership must be a true representative of the people. What they choose is up to them but it is clear Midular's dictatorship has failed.
Quote:
"While I suspect you want to see a Republic united in the pursiot of a bloody and unwinnable war,..."
The first and greatest battlefield is the one of your own mind. With that attitude you are already defeated. This just proves that we need new leadership in the Republic. Leadership that will not crush the warrior spirit of our people. A leadership that will build a fleet that is capable of defending the borderworlds.
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"any leader appointed would be met with just as much hositility and disapproval as Midular is now"
When the people choose a new leader who will oppose it? The Republicans? If you are a true and loyal servant of the Republic you will support any leader the people choose or all your claims are empty.
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"Is it possible to look past the hot blood flowing through our veins and come together in peace to forge a lasting union of all the tribes and factions? Can we, as a people, look past the bitterness to come to a peaceable, and acceptable to all, solution?"
Peace, with the Amarr? you talk like a Nafanter. When the Amarr release all the slaves, renounce slavery and forget about this holy war of reclaiming then we can talk about peace. When the Republic changes it's policy towards the Thukker and ceases to kill freedom fighters and political activists then we can talk of Unity.
What you call 'bitterness' I call millions of our people enslaved while you make nice with those who enslave them.
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Christa Larne
Minmatar
Matari Fleet Recon
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Posted - 2007.03.02 15:50:00 -
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The argument you make would be valid if the 'discontents' represented a majority of Matari society. Unfortunately there is no evidence to suggest that they do. All I see is a vocal, and increasingly violent, minority clamouring for the overthrow of a leader that the majority seem willing to support even if only by their silence.
Regarding building the force capable of defending the borderworlds; I have no problem with that. But we need to address our internal problems before we will have the resources to do that. Billions of Matari have left the Republic - did they do so because they were frustrated about the lack of a war to throw their lives away in? I doubt it. They left because they recognised the deadlock the cripples the Parliament and leaves it powerless to unite the people. Before we can be strong we need to bring them back, we need to rebuild our relations with the Thukker, and yes, I would argue that we need to improve our relations with the Nefanter as well, after whatever their politics they are still Matari.
You have called for the resignation of Karin Midular? Very well, then I call for the resignation of Malaetu Shakor. As the leader of the Parliament why has he failed to achieve any of these things of which you accuse the Prime Minister? Even a Prime Minister has to abide by the will of the Parliament, this is a democracy not a dictatorship (no matter that you try to confuse the issue by calling it one).
Calling for the replacement of Midular shows that you are more interested in finding a scapegoat upon whom to pin your frustrations than you are in true change. If you really want change then why not call for the replacement of the entire parliament? Why not demand that the people elect new representatives that are capable of uniting the tribes instead of maintaining the status quo? Why not demand that the parliament pass new laws strengthening its powers and weakening those of the tribes so that it actually has the ability to make the decisions that you accuse Midular of failing to?
The answer is simple - you don't want a strong parliament to tell you what to do any more than I do. We Minmatar relish our freedom and independence and having an individual, or even a group of them, telling us how to live our lives does not suit us.
You dream for something that does not exist and if it did exist you would fight against it as strongly as you fight against Midular.
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:00:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
If you are a true and loyal servant of the Republic you will support any leader the people choose or all your claims are empty.
That is indeed a most intriguing statement coming from you Mr. Thrace.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:02:00 -
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Quote:
"Peace, with the Amarr? you talk like a Nafanter. When the Amarr release all the slaves, renounce slavery and forget about this holy war of reclaiming then we can talk about peace. When the Republic changes it's policy towards the Thukker and ceases to kill freedom fighters and political activists then we can talk of Unity."
Please explain where I said anything of the sort. I stated we should stop fighting ourselves before trying to fight others.
Then again, you have to remember "One man's Freedom Fighter is another man's Terrorist". There are proper channels that should be used first rather than random slaughter in the name of whatever goal you wish to champion, you know.
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
You do realise that the republic is loseing a war against the mandate without Amarrian interferance while you preach for agression against an entity that has been preaching peace for the last century and outnumbers you by a rather large margin, right?
Not to stir up a fuss, but as far as I was aware, while the Empire is large and its fleet equally impressive in size, many of its ships are outdated designs in serious need of an overhaul to bring them up to the standards of other nations fleets. While some ship classes and their respective fittings stand out as impressive, there are many ships that simply cannot compete with other ships in the same size margin.
However in perspective, most Matari ship designs have remaned relativly unchanged since the rebellion but have received many refits and rethinks of late.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/03/2007 20:19:12
Thats a fairly common and extremely flawed understanding, my good Pirate. Let me put the relative balance of power in perspective for you.
The Matari have been trying to beat the Ammatar for almost a century. The Ammatar have 1. Fewer ships and 2. even more out of date ships than the Amarr. The Matari have not only failed to defeat the Ammatar, but in the last years the Ammatar have actually been seen as holding the upper hand in their war with the Matari.
I think that really says it all as to the ability of the Matari to even consider a general war with Amarr.
And the thing you need to realize about that statement that our navy has so many more old fashioned ships, is that when your navy is as massive as the Amarrian one you can have a much higher percentage of old and less effective hulls while still having a relatively even absolute number of fully effective modern warships.
And you have to spread out those modern warships less. You can commit old and obsolete ships to the parts of space where the fighting is less important and still present enough of a threat that your enemy will have to divert modern and fancy ships to stop you, while at the same time having all of your modern ships together where the fighting is most important. Even if the Gallente fought the Amarrian navy they would have to chose between takeing on the main offensive and loseing their perifrial systems to obsolete warships and takeing out the obsolete warships but failing to stop the main offensive.
As for the Matari, they lack the numbers to see success in either option unless the Gallente are supporting them. And can anyone here honestly see the Gallente fully supporting the Matari rather than huddling at home and defending their own systems, especially when their allies were attacking rather than being attacked?
In essence, the only thing a revived Matari 'warrior spirit' will do is hasten the destruction of the republic.
Deus Vult!
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/03/2007 20:19:12
The Matari have been trying to beat the Ammatar for almost a century. The Ammatar have 1. Fewer ships and 2. even more out of date ships than the Amarr. The Matari have not only failed to defeat the Ammatar, but in the last years the Ammatar have actually been seen as holding the upper hand in their war with the Matari.
I think that really says it all as to the ability of the Matari to even consider a general war with Amarr.
One point that you may consider Admiral Lok'ri is that (in general) the Matari people have a strong connection to one another regardless of political affiliation. While the Ammatar may be holding their systems, it should not definitively be taken as a sign of the Republic's inability to oust them, but perhaps their unwillingness to inflict such harm on their estranged brothers.
Genocide against another tribe is hardly something that would be taken lightly amongst the Minmatar.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/03/2007 21:26:16
If you truly think that you should just ask one of these Matari what they think of the 'Race traitors' in the Mandate.
The two entities have been doing their best to erase the other from existence for a century. A few times in the last century Amarrian forces have actually mobilized to rescue the Ammatar from Rebel aggression... but in the last decade or so the Ammatar have been more than holding their own without that.
Deus Vult!
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:44:00 -
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I did state that this was a generalization. I am not unaware of the hostilities between the two. My comment was more slanted to the end that the Republic's tenaciousness is less likely to show itself when they are fighting their own race.
To clarify further, this is my personal thought on the matter... whether or not it is wrong may only be proven if the Republic and the Empire go to war. Something that not even the empire wants right now.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:11:00 -
[44]
Your last statement is the truth.
The only people who truly want war are people like the warmongers who have been so loud in this thread.
And the only reason they want war with Amarr is because they are utterly delusional about their ability to win it.
Deus Vult!
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:26:00 -
[45]
Kashaul Murik. I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Do you believe the Bloody hands intend to push the Republic to war? Is this the definitive goal of the defiance of the Hands?
What do the Voices of Matar say?
And what of U'K? Are their voices in unison?
These are indeed pressing issues.
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.03 18:15:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 02/03/2007 20:19:12
Thats a fairly common and extremely flawed understanding, my good Pirate. Let me put the relative balance of power in perspective for you.
The Matari have been trying to beat the Ammatar for almost a century. The Ammatar have 1. Fewer ships and 2. even more out of date ships than the Amarr. The Matari have not only failed to defeat the Ammatar, but in the last years the Ammatar have actually been seen as holding the upper hand in their war with the Matari.
I think that really says it all as to the ability of the Matari to even consider a general war with Amarr.
And the thing you need to realize about that statement that our navy has so many more old fashioned ships, is that when your navy is as massive as the Amarrian one you can have a much higher percentage of old and less effective hulls while still having a relatively even absolute number of fully effective modern warships.
And you have to spread out those modern warships less. You can commit old and obsolete ships to the parts of space where the fighting is less important and still present enough of a threat that your enemy will have to divert modern and fancy ships to stop you, while at the same time having all of your modern ships together where the fighting is most important. Even if the Gallente fought the Amarrian navy they would have to chose between takeing on the main offensive and loseing their perifrial systems to obsolete warships and takeing out the obsolete warships but failing to stop the main offensive.
As for the Matari, they lack the numbers to see success in either option unless the Gallente are supporting them. And can anyone here honestly see the Gallente fully supporting the Matari rather than huddling at home and defending their own systems, especially when their allies were attacking rather than being attacked?
In essence, the only thing a revived Matari 'warrior spirit' will do is hasten the destruction of the republic.
Excellent retort little man. You do have a point, the Republic has never really worked as intended and i do believe the Gallente would rather twidle their thumbs than assist their ally. Why do you think I fly under a different flag than the Republics? Its dead to me, the death of Muritor only added nails to the coffin.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.05 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Falcione
Genocide against another tribe is hardly something that would be taken lightly amongst the Minmatar.
This comment wouldn't sound so ridiculous had it been stated before 23216, the year the Nefantar were butchered wherever they stood. Your astoundingly blissful ignorance of your ignorance is an insult to your race; [sic] the gravest insult.
Genocide proceeded freely during the upheaval. The rebels would never admit to their banality against the Ammatar residing in the Terra Irridente - they did't need to defend themselves against investigation - Nefantar civilians did not idle about to prosecute them, on pain of death.
All surviving Nefantar were thus graciously relocated to Derelik by Amarr humanitarian efforts. Armed by our Amarr mentors, we fight to avenge 23216 with whatever means we have at our disposal.
Do not dare claim that the heathens do not have innocent blood on their hands. They are guilty of genocide and their time is coming.
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
This comment wouldn't sound so ridiculous had it been stated before 23216, the year the Nefantar were butchered wherever they stood. Your astoundingly blissful ignorance of your ignorance is an insult to your race; [sic] the gravest insult...
Do not dare claim that the heathens do not have innocent blood on their hands. They are guilty of genocide and their time is coming.
I did not say it didn't happen. I said it was not taken lightly. There is a marked difference. The Republic may not wish for such atrocities to once again occur between the two.
However, war usually gets out of hand. This fact cannot be denied.
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Kashaul Murik
Minmatar
The Voices of Matar
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Posted - 2007.03.06 11:40:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Falcione
Kashaul Murik. I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Do you believe the Bloody hands intend to push the Republic to war? Is this the definitive goal of the defiance of the Hands?
What do the Voices of Matar say?
I have been in discussion with the leaders of the said organization and no, I do not believe it is their intention to push the Republic to war. Their immediate goal is simply a change in leadership of the Republic, one which they see has languished in its duty to the people.
To all of its people.
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 15:58:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kashaul Murik
I have been in discussion with the leaders of the said organization and no, I do not believe it is their intention to push the Republic to war. Their immediate goal is simply a change in leadership of the Republic, one which they see has languished in its duty to the people.
And this "duty"... Would that duty not be to free the enslaved portion of the Minmatar race in Ammarian territory? Would not such freedom involve some kind of conflict on a grand scale? Or do they have some other plan? This may be purely speculation of course... but I believe the Hands should consider very carefully the effects of the events they hope to set in motion.
I look forward to seeing how events unfold.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.06 19:22:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Kashaul Murik
Originally by: Falcione
Kashaul Murik. I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Do you believe the Bloody hands intend to push the Republic to war? Is this the definitive goal of the defiance of the Hands?
What do the Voices of Matar say?
I have been in discussion with the leaders of the said organization and no, I do not believe it is their intention to push the Republic to war. Their immediate goal is simply a change in leadership of the Republic, one which they see has languished in its duty to the people.
To all of its people.
Tell the Bloody Hands that my heart and hopes are with them. In the end, I believe they will be the best hope for our people. The Matari spirit has risen within the vessels of their bodies, woe to those who will not hear. Shake the Republic with your voice.
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Ashya Verye
Minmatar
Daughters of the Flame
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Posted - 2007.03.06 21:38:00 -
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Since when does the Republic care what Ushra'khan does?
At every oppertunity we are reminded that the UK and like organizations are but a vast minority of extreme marginalists, little better than terrorists.
And what if they had decided to condone such attacks? Would you not now wonder if they would have any right to participate in the future of any Republic politics?
What needs to be done is simple.
A list must be compiled of the things that the current government must do to keep the pod pilots and these Bloody Hands people satisfied. Even if they are the minority, any government who shuns such minorities eventually becomes a tyrant state. If this list is then put forth peacefully and with every oppertunity for Midular to comment or again ignore it, then and only then should things be escallated.
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Hori To
Kinda'Shujaa
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:02:00 -
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I think it is quite clear what we want, and it's about time we got it.
The Bloody Hands of Matar will not go away if they are ignored, neither will we.
Hang in there, at the very least someone will get enough and put a bullet in midulars head, ending this once and for all.
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Christa Larne
Minmatar
Matari Fleet Recon
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To
I think it is quite clear what we want, and it's about time we got it.
The Bloody Hands of Matar will not go away if they are ignored, neither will we.
Hang in there, at the very least someone will get enough and put a bullet in midulars head, ending this once and for all.
Yes, it is very clear what you want. However, last time I checked minorities don't generally get what they want.
Ushra'Khan turned its back on the Republic a long time ago, both politically and physically, when it decided to directly engage the Amarr in a war that our government is unwilling to pursue for the simple reason that we are not in a position to win it.
Now you have gone beyond your 'political gesture' of playing a 'symbolic' bounty on the head of Midular. You are condoning violence against the state and encouraging terrorism within our nation's boundaries.
You have become that which you once hated.
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Chishan
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Christa Larne
Originally by: Hori To
I think it is quite clear what we want, and it's about time we got it.
The Bloody Hands of Matar will not go away if they are ignored, neither will we.
Hang in there, at the very least someone will get enough and put a bullet in midulars head, ending this once and for all.
Yes, it is very clear what you want. However, last time I checked minorities don't generally get what they want.
Ushra'Khan turned its back on the Republic a long time ago, both politically and physically, when it decided to directly engage the Amarr in a war that our government is unwilling to pursue for the simple reason that we are not in a position to win it.
Now you have gone beyond your 'political gesture' of playing a 'symbolic' bounty on the head of Midular. You are condoning violence against the state and encouraging terrorism within our nation's boundaries.
You have become that which you once hated.
The movement is growing Christa, how much longer do you think it will be a minority? Then where will you stand? With the people or with Midular and her circle? What if they don't stand down if the people choose another way? These are things that trouble me, yet I know this. When the time comes, I stand with the people. Their will is the true Minmatar way and I will defend it to my last drop of blood.
And as far as us turning our back on the Republic? What is the Republic? It's increasingly becoming apparent that the Republic isn't the people. One ISK for Midular.
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.06 22:48:00 -
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I am not sure it is helpful to threaten Midulars physical life. But one thing is clear from my point of view: Midular is a symbol - a symbol for a year long standstill on the way to freedom for our brothers. And this freedom must always be our first priority as it is the sting in our flesh for centuries now. We cannot build a bright and peaceful future for ourselves when our brothers are suffering. We are Matari, we care for our tribe. The Republic only has a future if it is willing to take on this task presented to it. I don't mean this as a threat, I mean this as a logical conclusion.
So Midular might or might not be personally responsible, that doesn't matter. She is the PM and thus representing the Republic. The role is important, not the person. This is the first thing we will have to understand if we want a working Republic I think.
People need a new effort, a new step forward towards our goal, this cannot be done by the old government. Yes, the task of finding a new leader will be difficult but this cannot be the excuse to walk on further the path to conflict. Just because the journey is long and dangerous doesn't mean it is not worth undertaking it.
And a long journey begins the first step. I think it has become clear that a big part of our people inside and outside the Republic (be it majority or not) is not willing to work together with a government under a PM Midular. She should accept that and do this first step needed for the future of all tribes. Unity is the first thing we need and the biggest effort of all. We don't have the democratic tradition as for example the Gallente, we are not capable of accepting a deep disconsensus in our society and still work together for a common goal. Simple as that. We need a leader representing each and every one and two thirds and not half or whatver percentage you want to name. Every soldier on the field of battle needs to have trust and confidence in his leader or he will fail.
So we have to overcome the rift that has opened. And I only see one tree long enough that must fall to form a bridge over that rift and that log's name is Karen Midular.
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Wren
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.06 23:26:00 -
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I told you people years ago what Midular was.
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Mortis Angelus
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To
Hang in there, at the very least someone will get enough and put a bullet in midulars head, ending this once and for all.
How quickly old friends are forgotten...
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Telemicus Thrace
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Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.07 00:20:00 -
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Minmatar blood runs in the veins of all the tribes. Each of the tribes carries it's own distinct melody. The notes of our blood song are placed on our flesh by the Voluval. Our blood song must sung whole again.
As long as there are blood kin in chains then we are all in chains. Ignoring that is one of the greatest crimes Midulars regime has commited against the Matari people. Her regime has ignored materials that could save millions of lives and end the suffering of Vitoc victims. Her regime has sought peace over defence allowing the Nafanter traitors to gain ground. Her regime has failed to build a fleet strong enough in will to defeat our blood enemies.
Proud Matari warriors should now be bringing medical supplies to liberated slave camps while security details march the slavers into processing stations. Instead we have fleet commanders mewling about how they are too weak and too ill equiped to fight. Except of course when it is to kill Matari Freedom Fighters.
It is time for change before we lose it all. We have always sought freedom for our people and if this regime is not challanged, if Midular is not replaced with a competent leader then the Republic will lead those in it's care into chains as surely as any slaver.
The cause of The Bloody Hands of Matar is right and it is just and it must prevail. Do not kill other Matari to further the cause unless it is in defence my friends. The blood song runs in all our veins and must remain intact. Midular ordered the murder of a Matari warrior, there is a price for that and she must pay it. Do not let her minions sway you into thinking the state must pay for her crimes with her.
Defend yourselves against Midulars enforcers if you must but when you march against them do it on the path of true nobility. Show them how Matari should lead, with dignity and with the will of the people in your hearts for you are the Republic of tomorrow.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Your last statement is the truth.
The only people who truly want war are people like the warmongers who have been so loud in this thread.
Oh, I don't know about that. It seems there are a great number of... stealth warmongers around, choosing their words so as to provoke and challenge while making loud, yet rather hollow sounding, proclamations of their desire for peace.
Most of them Amarran.
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