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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:45:00 -
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Given the changes in PvNPC have made it very difficult to mine in 0.0 space, I'm anticipating a rise in the comparitatively PvP combat.
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Slithereen2
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Posted - 2003.12.17 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Slithereen2 on 17/12/2003 11:57:12
More battleships probably went down today than in any day of the game so far for whatever reason.
Uber-NPC pirates fleets are a just sequel to the Uber Concord and Navy fleets that impose hard justice to the slightest infraction.
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Moah
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Posted - 2003.12.17 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Moah on 17/12/2003 12:00:24 Try to create a Omega Corp Spawn, but it dont work
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.17 13:05:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Moah on 17/12/2003 12:00:24 Try to create a Omega Corp Spawn, but it dont work
prolly cuz you run everytime you see em. __________________________
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Moah
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Posted - 2003.12.17 13:14:00 -
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shhhhht, dont speak that loud...
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.12.17 13:15:00 -
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lots of ships will be lost over the next while.
the changes make it alot harder to run, and kinda force ppl to fight.
the harder hitting NPCs are also gonna sting a little, heard their were alot of player BS lost last night.
cant see the good caladari spawns being too bizi for a while.
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.17 13:31:00 -
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Well if there wil be a rise in PvP, it won't be at the 0.0 belts I can tell you that --- soonÖ |
toaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 14:26:00 -
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I am predicting a lot more gate camping. And as solo said, more non-voluntary combat which will be very cool also.
only thing that concerns me is if ship prices go up due ot mega shortage. You will see every lone BS and ship traveling thru 0.0 space with 3 MWDs on. You think people run from combat now? ....imagine if they have 200M isk on the line instead of just 85M. ------------------------------------------------
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Angst
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:09:00 -
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\0/ (\_/) (X.x) gank -----Tihs iz gank bunneh. Employ at gates for max bunnage. |
Ardanwen
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:24:00 -
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Lone battleship in 0.0 space? now that is a huge mistake to make, even with 3 MWD fitted :)
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:29:00 -
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I can see shortages in ANY mineral you can't mine in 1.0 (or are there rats there too?). We've had reports fo 10-40 NPC rats in a 0.6 system. Imagine needing 3 Battleships to protect you while mining for omber.
Oh, and if there are any rats left alive at the respawn time, each one creates it's own chain....
No, there will be no mining for anything over Pyroxes until this is fixed. So I have NO idea what will happen when existing mineral stockpiles are exhausted. Hopefully CCP fixes NPC rats super-soon.
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Mao Mao
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:08:00 -
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Maybe you should look around more, the .4-.7 systems i checked out had no more than 3 pirates per belt with the bounty maxing at 4k.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:17:00 -
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yep, the rats sure have been made harder.
U think u miner folks have it bad.
My sole income comes from farming 50k NPC rats solo.. im pretty much screwed.
but with the new PVP changes our corp will now get the chance to actually do what iv promised all the recruits, and thats to kill pirates.
heres hoping for many action packed battles ahead. ill prob die first, but hey, as long as we all have fun.
And after u are cloned once, the rest dont matter::
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:26:00 -
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I think the 0.4-0.1 system are now solo farming grouds, since they put the cruisers there now. --- soonÖ |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:46:00 -
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I think one of the problems is that many miners have gotten very used to mining in the lower sec systems (aorund 0.6) solo with minimal threat from NPC and virtually no threat from PC pirates.
Now suddenly organising a proper escort and so on is a neccesity if a miner wants to survive. Now that mining isnt an easy way to get isk it seems some ppl are getting bothered by it.
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toaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:14:00 -
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Quote: I think one of the problems is that many miners have gotten very used to mining in the lower sec systems (aorund 0.6) solo with minimal threat from NPC and virtually no threat from PC pirates.
Now suddenly organising a proper escort and so on is a neccesity if a miner wants to survive. Now that mining isnt an easy way to get isk it seems some ppl are getting bothered by it.
true...game is getting geared more and more toward super corps and alliances IMO. Solo guys that just bought the game yesterday and don't know anyone have no chance to get into a good ship anytime soon. ------------------------------------------------
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trap
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:47:00 -
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gj ccp! finally made it hard to make money for everyone! now the carebears can start crying about how they cant mine out fields easily or hunt npcs solo... but u were never intended to do things as easy as you were doing them anyway.
this patch also brings back the fear of loss, if a bs costs 200 mil due to the minerals being harder to get then i guess ppl will start paying ransomes rather than saying end yourself and blowing up their own ship.
about damn time if you ask me.
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toaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:07:00 -
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Quote: gj ccp! finally made it hard to make money for everyone! now the carebears can start crying about how they cant mine out fields easily or hunt npcs solo... but u were never intended to do things as easy as you were doing them anyway.
this patch also brings back the fear of loss, if a bs costs 200 mil due to the minerals being harder to get then i guess ppl will start paying ransomes rather than saying end yourself and blowing up their own ship.
about damn time if you ask me.
Fear of loss? That was there when BSs were 90M. Why do you think it was so hard to get victims to fight in the last patch? And vice versa, getting a pirate to fight a fair fight before was impossible.
of course you like it, you're a pirate and this helps you. You now have the option of forcing people into combat as the 10 second invulnerability thing seems to be gone. It seems that it will be easier to be a pirate now, camping gates with 4 BSs. Of course this works both ways now. And yes, I tried semi-pirating for a few days and it is MUCH easier than legit life in EVE, then again I was not in a known pirate corp which I'm sure hurts your cause.
Don't get me wrong, I love PvP and without pirates this game would be very boring. I'm just saying this does help you pirates, even though you may have to earn your kills now. ------------------------------------------------
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Stepping Razor on 17/12/2003 18:44:35 Long term these changes won't work for anyone. With no reasoanbly priced supplies of Megacyte and Zydrine the prices of BSes (ships in general really) will keep going up waaaay past what insurance will pay for. I checked it out last night when I had to re-insure, and for 80% insurance I'd have to be really lucky to replace a Tier 1 BS at current prices.
So people will be even more careful with their ships, and frankly won't leave 0.5+ space. With top ores and rats impossible to profit from, I don't know who exactly player pirates will have travelling around them to hold up/gank?
And re. increased PvP: Huh? There's no shortage of PvP around where I live. There's tons. Sadly most of it is people running away and hiding from the other side. Making all ships harder to replace and/or more expensive in minerals than insurance payouts won't help PvP at all. People were already was too chicken/cautious with their ships already.
Razor
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shock on 17/12/2003 18:47:17 Pirates seem to have less options now though, raiding belts has become a lot more difficult and I think even impossible if you're not in a battleship or heavy cruiser.
Now not only you have the chance you will be disturbed by NPC pirates when scouring the belts, but because of it, the miners will likely have protection around similar to what used to be the case in 0.0 system.
Looks like pirates now are forced to gatecamping.
Quite sad if you consider we finally got rid of that timer.
The warpdisruptor might change this when people can set these up between two gates in the middle of nowhere, but this will still result in sitting and waiting, hoping the prey don't use alternate routes.
A very useful tool would be if players finally have the option to track down players in the middle of space.
Or having a good standing with the NPC pirates will mean they leave you alone (though will not let you mine in their territories and CONCORD will eat you if you if you come close to 1.0) --- soonÖ |
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Mozat
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:50:00 -
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The rare minerals will cost allot more, so if you have any mega and zydrine I suggest you save it for your ships.
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Visara
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:02:00 -
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yes NPC are a LOT hard for solo miners i am one my self but what bugs me a little more the the speed of my indy now it go 160 m/s now i used to fly 600 to 750 lol anyway it dont break the fun it is not borred anymore to mine in 0.2 space ;)
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.17 19:09:00 -
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No way, dude. I think protection in a belt will make me more likely to go in and attack. More ships = more loot, and combat ships are more likely to drop loot that I can actually use. Plus, a defensive force means they're more likely to stay put - before raiding mining parties was fairly pointless as they would just run away, leaving at most ore cans to blow up.
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.12.17 20:39:00 -
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I hope ccp DOESN'T nerf the belt rats. Finally a challange to 'grow into', tired of the ole expert in one day stuff.
I expect that miners will very shortly find a way to get their ore. If you can catch me you can have me. |
Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.12.18 04:52:00 -
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For SI, piracy is not "kill and check the loot". We try to hold people up, and that was VERY hard before the patch (due to the 10 sec invul timer, mwds etc.). Now it is considerably easier, yet at the same time we have a considerable risk of getting owned if something goes wrong.
I agree with trap that the time had come for the carebears to start working. NPC farming and 0.0 mining is now hard, and you need a TEAM to do it, and there's always the possibility of a Space Invader warping to your belt, in which case you'll have to wait for your ship to align etc., which makes it nasty
Carebears got owned this patch No more easy money. WORK U PINK LITTLE BASTARDS -
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Raucus
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Posted - 2003.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Quote: For SI, piracy is not "kill and check the loot". We try to hold people up, and that was VERY hard before the patch (due to the 10 sec invul timer, mwds etc.). Now it is considerably easier, yet at the same time we have a considerable risk of getting owned if something goes wrong.
I agree with trap that the time had come for the carebears to start working. NPC farming and 0.0 mining is now hard, and you need a TEAM to do it, and there's always the possibility of a Space Invader warping to your belt, in which case you'll have to wait for your ship to align etc., which makes it nasty
Carebears got owned this patch No more easy money. WORK U PINK LITTLE BASTARDS
lol..... well... I see that despite the patch, your still an a$$.
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Khar'du
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:33:00 -
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On the other hand, once we get the hang of it. Groupfarming NPC's will make incredible isk if you manage to chain 500K pir8 BS's
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Bon3s
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:50:00 -
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You don't need to be in a 0.0 to get strong rats (npc). What about 5x 1 mil bounty in a 0.3 ? I didn't take a shot, but was very supprissed. Next time i don't come alone.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:25:00 -
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Just my 2 cents on PVPing post patch.
From the point of view of a pirate-hunter PVPing in EVE seems to have improved post patch. It is easier to warp scramble pirates but also easier to get caught out in return. No double MWDS. No "u cannot lock X due to warp alignment etc".
It is still not perfect. It is still possible to instant jump at gates in 0.0 so blockades are not 100% proof. I for one would have preferred warp disruption fields around gates in 0.0.
JIPS into gates are a big improvement but we have noticed bugs. One of our ships ended up at an opposite gate leading to a pirate blockade rather than the assembly gate. Luckily was only a cruiser loss but would have been a pretty annoying way to lose a BS.
I can see that replacement battleships will be hard to come by in the future. Full 99% insurance will not full cover the full cost of battleships. This will make folk less likely to risk their hard earned BSs PVPing. Pirate-hunting isnt a profession that makes much isk. Looks like NPC hunting is even more risky at present than pvping. So im not sure how we will pay for our insurance in the future
I think that the best ships for pvping will still be battleships. Cruisers are very useful for pvping still esp. blackbird as its still a great ECM ship( pre ecm nerf) . However frigates and cruisers will still get owned by drones, fof missles and the lock times with good skills and sensor boosters arent really long enough to make a big difference. The ability to tank armour and shields in a BS will greatly outweigh the benefits of locking quickly in a fast but fragile ship.
Experience and time will tell if pvping becomes a satisfying activity. Pre-patch it has its golden moments but more than often was frustrating and uneventful, involving a lot of waiting and tail chasing. PVPing will still be the only thing that interests me in EVE and I hope the new changes will keep me interested.
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Kram Calama
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:35:00 -
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Shad
Stop trolling the forums and build me my Scorp
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