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Sokudo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.27 20:27:00 -
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I've tried three invention jobs so far... all of them 425mm Railguns. Of these, I've managed to get 13 runs in total for a total cost of 270 mill.
All relevant skills are level 4 and the last time I used a prototype 425mm railgun.
Those who have the time to go and earn these datacores are often not the ones with the skills to actually invent or build the T2 items.
Also, datacores are supposed to be mainly sourced from the R&D agents we all spent so long running around for with no reward.
I would call on CCP to quit handing out so many datacores from the complexes and lower the costs from the R&D agents to bring the prices down... this will give a steady flow of datacores to start bringing the prices down. Also, please can you look again at the reliance on mechanical engineering datacores for both ship and weapon invention. I have yet to actually FIND a mechanical engineering agent, let alone actually manage to get one on board.
I spent out on the skills before Revelations so I'd be ready for invention, but to be honest, I'm finding it a huge let down. I'd make more money selling my datacores I get from my agents than by the actual invention.
At level 4 skills, I'd expect to have a better than 50/50 chance, surely?
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Arte
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.02.27 20:45:00 -
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Read This Dev Blog and then reply in Eve Information Portal with your gripes and concerns and the evidence you've presented (maybe fleshed out with a little more detail).
They're on the case
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Balgus Malignas
Amarr
League of Extra-Horny Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.02.27 20:46:00 -
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If you only got 13runs then you are doing something wrong. If you want to succeed the only decrypter you should be using with esoteric jobs is installation guide. It will give you +4 runs and a 1.3x mod to success rate. Also, only use the best named item. Kind of foolish to try and save a few million isk and then not get anything at all. Make sure you are using a max run bpc as well. With a max run bpc you should be getting 14 runs every time. Since the patch where interfaces became a dime a dozen I have succeeded 7/7 jobs for 425mm rails.
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Sokudo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.02.27 21:35:00 -
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Hi Arte, LTNS
The first two I used normal 425mm railguns and the second time I got 13 runs.
That last time I only used a 50-run BPC (all I could get hold of at the time) and a prototype (the best non-faction).
Maybe I just got unlucky.
At 90 mill a time for invention, it's getting expensive though.
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Daerkannon Shimmerscale
Gallente
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.28 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale on 28/02/2007 15:28:30
On the topic of mech eng agents I'm guessing that you're only looking at Gallente corps. There are none. This is, to my understanding, a known issue. I suggest using Agent Finder to find yourself some mech eng agents. Myself I went with Kaalakiota to help keep my factions (somewhat) balanced.
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Arushia
Nova Labs
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Posted - 2007.03.01 17:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokudo
I have yet to actually FIND a mechanical engineering agent, let alone actually manage to get one on board.
My mechanical engineering agents are with Boundless Creations.
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Ezra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.01 23:37:00 -
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Core Complexion here. It took me only a week or two of part-time missioning (much of it semi-afk courier missions while watching TV) to get enough standing to use their L4s, although admittedly the high Minmatar faction from extensive Gallente missionrunning allowed me to start with high-quality L2s immediately.
I don't see why the original poster things research agents are time consuming - while there is an initial time investment in getting standing to use a research agent, once you can access them it's "fire and forget".
Yes, you can double your RP/day by actually visiting them daily, but TBH at current datacore prices, approx 1M ISK/day/agent adds up considering that is with ZERO effort once you have agent access.
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Ezra Cornell
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Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.02 00:20:00 -
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,,,, I just got into the mode for diving into T2 Siege launcher invention,,, by the sounds of things I'm going to be sorely disappointed?
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Cethrie
The Pretty Things
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Posted - 2007.03.02 00:45:00 -
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Sorry to sound harsh.. but the thing u are doing wrong is not using Max Run BPC's.. Its been said over and over again and most people who come here complaining of high failure rates don't use Max Run BPC's.
I'm doing invention currently, I've got a few friends doing it as well. We all use max run bpc's and the decryptors that help success. My friends are running well over 66% success rates. I'm the at the lowest with 55%. I basically almost guarented some failures by using no decryptor.
Its been said many many times..
Max Run BPC's
Best named equipment
Max success decryptor
You will find that max run bpc's are the cheapest component in your invention chain. Hell I sell 425mm Railgun Max Run BPC's for 300k, contact me if you want to buy a bunch of them.
I would also like to point out, that datacores don't drop like candy from exploration. I've done many many 0.0 radar exploration sites, but the vast bulk of my datacores still come from the market. While datacores are a bottleneck and are extremely overpriced, at the moment you need to stick to the high money makers (which will obviously drop because thats where everyone is). Until of course CCP decide what the fix is to the datacore problem.
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Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.02 01:31:00 -
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Surely quantities of datacore required should be modified per module type to scale the profit?
I'd invent CR's if they were of any use to me,, which they arent, thus why I want to invent Siege Launcher II's so i can use them and sell excess. Kinda unbalanced if for the same cost i can manufacture something worth 4 times more,,,
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.03.02 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cethrie
Its been said many many times..
Max Run BPC's
Best named equipment
Max success decryptor
I've seen nothing to support that the quality (runs/me/pe) of the bpc has any influence on succesrate.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 12:51:00 -
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Why does the op think that he should get more datacores by right clicking his agent than the people that spend hours probing and clearing?
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent
Why does the op think that he should get more datacores by right clicking his agent than the people that spend hours probing and clearing?
QFT
Maarud.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.03.02 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sokudo
All relevant skills are level 4 and the last time I used a prototype 425mm railgun.
Forgive my noobish question, but what are the relevant skills?
Encryption methods is obvious, but what else?
The two research skills linked to the two datacores? So e.g. for projectile weapons you would need mechanical eng. and nuclear physics?
Is it mandatory to have those or does it just increase your success rate?
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
Originally by: Sokudo
All relevant skills are level 4 and the last time I used a prototype 425mm railgun.
Forgive my noobish question, but what are the relevant skills?
Encryption methods is obvious, but what else?
The two research skills linked to the two datacores? So e.g. for projectile weapons you would need mechanical eng. and nuclear physics?
Is it mandatory to have those or does it just increase your success rate?
Its mandatory & the higher they are, the better the success rate.
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Mrs VMax
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:01:00 -
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Bit off topic but still under same post heading . On the jobs i've done so far around (20 or so) i seem to come across a pattern, i successfully invent around 50-70runs in total in a mod then can't invent anymore so switch to the next mod and again 50-70 runs then fail. My question is has anyone else had this experience where they invent nearly 100% of the time then once they hit a certain amount of success they constantly fail? I know their chance based and i'm not complaining(i've made enough from it) but was wondering if it's a cap so t2 bpo keep some of there value or something similar?
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