This. Precisely this.

(This is basically my attitude towards every bittervet whine thread ever. Thanks for making it into a post )

You're welcome!

So you can't find a banworthy post? Ya, neither could Hilmar. But he didn't give a **** either.

Oh my. Heaven forbid that new players should be interested in playing YOUR game you bitter old ****! Heaven forbid that CCP should take the word of a new, fresh player with a different perspective on the game than a bitter, stick in the mud vet!

Uhhh, no. Just no. If they have been banned from the forums then they must have done something REALLY bad to get banned, given the flame war that is the Eve Online forums generally.

PLEX is not ruining the game at all. You might not like it but PLEX was brought into place to tackle the endemic problem of people selling timecodes for isk. It also helped to tackle the in game ISK spammers. Taking away PLEX would be reducing the game to a ISK Spammers haven again. PLEX is keeping EVE Online safe and peaceful from ISK scams, spammers, etc, etc.

Now, this is going to suprise you. I agree with some of what you have said here. Eve online does indeed need a better Black Market and a Better Bounty System. At the moment, they do pretty much nothing and are not profitable, so dont get used at all in some cases. I would like to see these two things reworked.

And back to the stupidity. No, you have had your way with level 5 missions. Stop crying because you cant gank newbies because they choose to stay in low sec. This isnt about how YOU want people to play the game, its about how THEY want to play the game. S...A....N....D....B....O....X! Remember? That means for them too.

There are always going to be problems with the ships. There are always going to be balance issues, or a feature that not everyone is happy with. But, that doesnt mean that you should STOP adding ships. If that was the case, this game would still be stuck with Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships and Industrial Ships. (but i bet you dont notice the difference, since you don't PvP.)

True, but its really bad now, and has been for long. Eve was much more balanced back when there was only Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships and Industrial ship.

And before they adda new ship - they should have thought of a role. Don't you agree honeybee?

EDIT: Gnite guys, i bet this thread ain't over yet. Love you all <3

Hehe, Im gonna crack one of your nutz if you call me honeybee again.

But lets get to the point. Saddly it not so easy as you think to ensure balance in a game the size and complexity of EVE.
What started off as something simple has, over time, become more and more complex. From 4 ship classes to what? Over 30 each with atleast 2 ships in each? Spread over 4 races. Thats an insane amount of information to get to grips with, let along trying to balance it. And as for balancing, there are only so many ways you can do it.

You can try and slot it in somewhere in an existing class and tweak the numbers. You can give it its own class. You can make it a tech level higher than the others. But, every single method is going to present problems. Its just that some are more exagerated than others. Blanace is not an easy thing to achieve despite what you might think. Even less so in a game like Eve where the dynamics of the game and peoples uses of the ships can throw the blanace that was intended right out of the window.

I think you try to see it too complex. I would say it's really simple. Attack vs counter. That's what it's all about. Pretty simple when you just spell it out? Right?

Have you ever seen a Falcon in game, sir? Or maybe some of the sweet overpowered ECM-drones?

But, if Eve were a game that was that simple, it wouldnt appeal to the audience that it does. Would it? And it would be a very empty game. Well, it would be emptier. Besides, Eve is thankfully NOT that simple. It would be boring. I applaud that CCP has tried to mix up the ships by giving some of them specific roles that dont fall along the simple lines of Attack Vs Defense. It means that you are required to adopt different strategies. I think...you are looking at EVE far too simply.

Wow.. Now you are mixing things up. There is difference between Eve being complex. And ship balancing being complex. And even how complex it now can be (rocket science). We have not seen any progress on even trying to balance it, some things has been broken for years and nothing changes, but new features comes out. Quite frustrating.

So, what you would prefer is maybe a Rock, Paper, Scissors style of balancing?

I think you need to read this whole thread again. That's your homework.

I dont need to, I have read it and understood it. I dont think I have misinterpreted anything that has been said. You believe that the ships are unblanaced and that it should be attack Vs coutner, which is a Rock, Paper, Scissors style of blanacing.

Ahhh well, suffice to say, I think CCP are doing a good job. Sleep well, hoefully you wont be as grumpy tomorrow old man.

The problem is that you focus on this question like its the most important one. Classic trolling stuff to get off topic and destroying the thread. Please answer my questions to you as well, my little butterfly, and my quotes. If you do so we will have a better conversation and a more fulfilling love life.

Much love.

Is your girlfriend good looking?

But I have made my feelings on the matter quite clear. If CCP were to do things the way you would have ships balanced, well, me might as well all go play Rappels or something.

Uppdated

Do you believe its sustainable to release new ships while the old one is broken? Don't you think Assault Frigates should be balanced by now? And not the next expansion?

Now i would like you to answer me some questions. Do you believe its sustainable to release new ships while the old one is broken? Don't you think Assault Frigates should be balanced by now? And not the next expansion?

So, what you would prefer is maybe a Rock, Paper, Scissors style of balancing?

We have that, its called nearly every other MMO out there. Including WoW. What you want would bring about a game that makes every character feel generic. There will be one way to properly equip a ship. All the miners from a race would all be in the same ships, with the same modules, the same skill sets. Fleets of battlships would roam through nulsec, doing battle with fleets of identical battleships with the same modules. No, you can work balance like that in a game like eve. It actually REQUIRES that there be some imbalances in the game in order for it to work. It requires that there be numerous ways of doing things to keep it from feeling like every character is just a clone of every other.

WoW has this problem. Every Shaman is the same, and in the same gear. Every Paladin is the same...and in the same gear...etc, etc.

Of my time spent logged on I spend ~75% of it station spinning waiting for something to happen, definitely not worth $15/mon.

I believe the main reason for the disparity between the PVP inclined and the PVP adverse is in the experience.

If n00bs have to quickly learn to use scanner and be proactive in a constant PVP environment then there wouldn't be so many people who just utterly fail without constant FC direction.

The EVE community has become fat stupid and lazy.