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malaire 96	Posted - 2011.12.19 16:54:00 - [1] - Quote After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps. Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait. Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on?

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 1239	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:07:00 - [2] - Quote Quite interesting, as it tells me I have "remap available: now" and bonus remaps: 2 And I know from before I also had two. /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Follow me on Twitter @Chribba

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 579	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:10:00 - [3] - Quote That's a side-effect of the awesomeness of FIXING the way the neural remap Christmas present is supposed to work. NORMAL remaps are now COMPLETELY SEPARATE from bonus remaps. You can use as many normal remaps as you like (as long as 1 year passes in between them) without "eating up" any bonus remaps at all. You only eat up one bonus remap when remapping when the 1-year timer is still not done AND it does not reset the timer to 1 year, but keep going from wherever it was already. ... TL;DR - you have no idea how awesome it is. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 1239	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:12:00 - [4] - Quote Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Follow me on Twitter @Chribba

Schonm Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:13:00 - [5] - Quote This is awesome, I used to compulsively save remaps, so my counter never went below 1... so the timer never started. I am actually happy :D yay
Joost Merc Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:14:00 - [6] - Quote just need to fix it so you dont have to add them 2 points to charisma and its sorted
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 579	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:14:00 - [7] - Quote Chribba wrote: Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? If you want :) Oh, and I have 3 bonus remaps. Come Christmas, I'll have 4. I still probably won't use any of them (neither the regular remap) because I still like my Charisma:3 stat. (which I'd have to give up if I remap at all) http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
malaire 96	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:20:00 - [8] - Quote Akita T wrote: That's a side-effect of the awesomeness of FIXING the way the neural remap Christmas present is supposed to work. NORMAL remaps are now COMPLETELY SEPARATE from bonus remaps. You can use as many normal remaps as you like (as long as 1 year passes in between them) without "eating up" any bonus remaps at all. You only eat up one bonus remap when remapping when the 1-year timer is still not done AND it does not reset the timer to 1 year, but keep going from wherever it was already. ... TL;DR - you have no idea how awesome it is. Still, I expected to have normal remap + 1 bonus remap after change, not normal remap + 2 bonus remaps. I'm not complaining, it's allways nice to get free remaps, but I think I'll wait some time before using any remaps just to make sure this is not a bug which gets fixed later (by removing 1 bonus remap).
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 579	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:23:00 - [9] - Quote Nope, nope, that's how they intend to have it work from now on, so you should get to keep all the currently displayed BONUS remaps. The system has been already finalized, bonus remaps are separated from normal remaps. Oh, and if you haven't already, go select the "+1 (bonus) neural remap" option in the Christmas gift section ;) Neural Surgery it was called, IIRC. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection

CCP Pleognost C C P C C P Alliance 27	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote malaire wrote: After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps. Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait. Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on? This is an intended side-effect of fixing how the remap system works. I noted this briefly here, but that's buried deep in another thread. In brief, yes, new characters get two bonus remaps, as usual. However, due to the separation of timed remaps from bonus remaps, new characters (and characters who have never remapped) can effectively remap three times within the space of a year - once timed, and then twice with bonus remaps.

Zowie Powers Hole in the wall 26	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:44:00 - [11] - Quote Well at least they haven't made it as bizarre and unenviable as the overview setup window. But still... wtf man... it's 2011. Sort yourselves out.
Sentient Blade Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate 126	Posted - 2011.12.19 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote That's good. Should help new players who have no idea what the heck they want to do for the first 6 months.
PhoenixShadow Section 496 Pegasus Coalition 24	Posted - 2011.12.19 18:14:00 - [13] - Quote Chribba wrote: Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? Must. Resist...
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 165	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:27:00 - [14] - Quote Chribba wrote: Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? Why do you want to take the Sexy out of the Sexy Shoeless God of Veld?
Aristeia Cersei SQUIDS. 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:39:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Pleognost wrote: malaire wrote: After todays update my newest character (which I created few days ago) now shows that he has normal remap available + 2 bonus remaps. Yesterday he only had 2 remaps available, but now he is able to do 3 remaps before needing to wait. Was this intended or just a bug? Will all new characters have 3 remaps from now on? This is an intended side-effect of fixing how the remap system works. I noted this briefly here, but that's buried deep in another thread. In brief, yes, new characters get two bonus remaps, as usual. However, due to the separation of timed remaps from bonus remaps, new characters (and characters who have never remapped) can effectively remap three times within the space of a year - once timed, and then twice with bonus remaps. I have a new char in the cooker that I started 2 days ago. I show only 2 remaps as I haven't used one yet. Are you saying I can remap right now and still have the 2 bonus remaps neither of which will be used?
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 87	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:57:00 - [16] - Quote Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Vertisce Soritenshi Varion Galactic Tragedy. 263	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:58:00 - [17] - Quote Who cares? Support our boobies!-áLINKY!
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 165	Posted - 2011.12.19 19:59:00 - [18] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did. Why not run an MMO without a playerbase? Perpetuum did.
Amateratsu The Pegasus Project 0	Posted - 2011.12.19 22:38:00 - [19] - Quote Not just new Chars or Chars who have never remapped. All Characters that have a timed remap availlable now will get an extra bonus remap. 2 of my alt characters now have 2 remaps availlable, 1 timed amd 1 bonus... So just like last year some WIN an extra free bonus remap while others Don't.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 579	Posted - 2011.12.19 22:42:00 - [20] - Quote Crumplecorn wrote: Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did. When exactly did that happen ? They started with a similar system as EVE but in reverse - as in, you get the SP-equivalent constantly per account and spend them whenever to instantly bump a level of something. But the costs for level-up depended on some stuff. And that stuff would be the equivalent of attributes. Are you telling me now all level-ups cost the same in Perpetuum ? Not that it's that much of a concern of mine, just idle curiosity. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Jack Traynor One More Corp 21	Posted - 2011.12.19 22:54:00 - [21] - Quote PhoenixShadow wrote: Chribba wrote: Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? Must. Resist... An original avatar pose. Props.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Project Wildfire 80	Posted - 2011.12.19 23:55:00 - [22] - Quote 3 is way too many. I doesn't teach new players how important it is to plan you skills... But I'm guessing you are planning to sell remaps for plex soon anyway, right CCP?!
Ten Bulls Sons of Olsagard 16	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:07:00 - [23] - Quote Chribba wrote: Does that mean I should lower my Charisma? Impossible !
Liang Vasten Solar Cycle 0	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:17:00 - [24] - Quote This functionality seems like it would pose an interesting decision for those with newly created alts like me. I remapped my new alt right before this change went through and only have 1 remap left. According to what has been written here, if I recreate my alt immediately I will have 3 remaps and still have 2 left over after remapping. This means that for the cost of a couple hours of training time and 20mil in implants I can effectively get the remap back. Is this correct?
Jonathan Ferguson JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance 5	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:21:00 - [25] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Crumplecorn wrote: Why not just remove attributes and be done with it? Perpetuum did. Why not run an MMO without a playerbase? Perpetuum did. CCP is working on it.
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 93	Posted - 2011.12.20 01:47:00 - [26] - Quote Akita T wrote: When exactly did that happen ? They started with a similar system as EVE but in reverse - as in, you get the SP-equivalent constantly per account and spend them whenever to instantly bump a level of something. But the costs for level-up depended on some stuff. And that stuff would be the equivalent of attributes. Are you telling me now all level-ups cost the same in Perpetuum ? Apparently. I got the newsletter on the 29th of October: "We have come to the conclusion that attributes in the long term create unneeded annoyances and limitations, so we have decided to remove them from the game. To compensate for the loss of attribute bonuses, we also reduced the base EP cost of extensions, and the recalculation this requires also means giving back everybody some extra EP (yeah!). Spend it wisely, because maxing out all extensions still takes around 16 years! All of this means character creation is easier and faster, and new players also get the chance to downgrade their extensions freely during their first 30 days, and get back any EP and NIC they spent with a few limitations to prevent misuse. The account reset feature is gone as well since it is no longer needed." On the one hand that first statement is correct. On the other hand, the same statement could be made about lossy PvP, PvE that doesn't just throw money at you the instant you turn up, and playing video games at all. :D [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=rnd[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation)
Rixiu North Star Networks The Kadeshi 38	Posted - 2011.12.20 11:37:00 - [27] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/uHv5n.jpg
malaire 96	Posted - 2011.12.20 11:41:00 - [28] - Quote Aristeia Cersei wrote: CCP Pleognost wrote: This is an intended side-effect of fixing how the remap system works. I noted this briefly here, but that's buried deep in another thread. In brief, yes, new characters get two bonus remaps, as usual. However, due to the separation of timed remaps from bonus remaps, new characters (and characters who have never remapped) can effectively remap three times within the space of a year - once timed, and then twice with bonus remaps. I have a new char in the cooker that I started 2 days ago. I show only 2 remaps as I haven't used one yet. Are you saying I can remap right now and still have the 2 bonus remaps neither of which will be used? Yes. If you move mouse over the remap available text which is above the bonus remaps text, the tooltip should say that you can now remap without using any bonus remaps.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 502	Posted - 2011.12.20 11:49:00 - [29] - Quote Nice, 1 remap !!
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 502	Posted - 2011.12.20 11:50:00 - [30] - Quote Rixiu wrote: http://i.imgur.com/uHv5n.jpg

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