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Sui Sidal
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Posted - 2003.12.17 14:53:00 -
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After spending ages training to Ref Eff 5 I find we've been hit round the head with the nerf bat.
At RE5 before patch I was getting 990 Tri from 1 Ref of Veld...
At RE5 + Veld Ore lvl 1 - 1 refine of veld produces 950 Tri?...
So we now have to train for another month to get back to the refining level we were at before the patch???????
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nono
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Posted - 2003.12.17 14:57:00 -
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Dunno I havn't tried refining anything yet but check the ranks of the skills.
They go up to rank 5 and considering 5-7 days to train a rank 1 to level 5 you should be back to top refining in about a years time.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:17:00 -
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relative to everyone else, you are at the same level you were yesterday. ie. still way, way above what someone without RE could manage.
now, if you are really serious about your refining, you will have to put the extra effort in.
3 weeks training does not a specialist make.
I'm sure anyone who is actually serious about this sort of stuff welcomes the change. It's just the people who ran out of other skills, and added refeff as an afterthought that don't 'get it'.
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nono
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:26:00 -
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relative to everyone else, you are at the same level you were yesterday. ie. still way, way above what someone without RE could manage.
now, if you are really serious about your refining, you will have to put the extra effort in.
3 weeks training does not a specialist make.
I'm sure anyone who is actually serious about this sort of stuff welcomes the change. It's just the people who ran out of other skills, and added refeff as an afterthought that don't 'get it'.
And if - Ship skills/Combat/or any other area you have concentrated on acheiving level 5 at were to be hit by the same "over six months to get back to where you were"- I'm sure at least 'you' would have the same outlook.
Unfortunately many wouldn't.
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Albar Gray
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:31:00 -
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Well if you are getting 5% less minerals per batch, why not up your prices by 5%. The new fractional prcing on sale orders should allow it.
As of now you are still there with the best, the only downside is that to stay there, you will have to spend money and time on the new skills.
But when you do get there, you should be able to recoup your money, cause not every uber refiner will bother.
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Johnson McCrae
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Posted - 2003.12.17 15:56:00 -
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When you open the reprocessing window, read the text at the right of it. You'll find out why the station is taking 5%
It ain't over till the fat lady falls on ya!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:03:00 -
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relative to everyone else, you are at the same level you were yesterday. ie. still way, way above what someone without RE could manage.
now, if you are really serious about your refining, you will have to put the extra effort in.
3 weeks training does not a specialist make.
I'm sure anyone who is actually serious about this sort of stuff welcomes the change. It's just the people who ran out of other skills, and added refeff as an afterthought that don't 'get it'.
And if - Ship skills/Combat/or any other area you have concentrated on acheiving level 5 at were to be hit by the same "over six months to get back to where you were"- I'm sure at least 'you' would have the same outlook.
Unfortunately many wouldn't.
You're right, it wouldn't bother me much, but then, I'm pretty tolerant.
the problem most people posting have, is that they think this seems to affect *only* them.
admittedly, most industrialist players won't see it this way.
The same thing happened with the damage mod stacking problem:
My thorax used to run 250 rails at +13x damage, and ammo was non-ranged, so I could hit with AM M at 30-40km.
When they realised this problem, they fixed it.
So I had a 6x damage mod, and with AM, my range was cut to about 17-22km.
I didn't complain then, either, and I *still* haven't got back to that level, nor will I ever get back to that level, I would imagine.
But I didn't see the point in complaining, because the change was obviously meant to balance out some things that are/were 'too easy' (like being a top-level refiner in 3-4 weeks, and never having to train anything for it ever again.)
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Cobalt Digger
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:05:00 -
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The problem is a fighting character is fun but a refineing character is boring
ok you have 1 account are you going to train a character for 2 months to be the be a refiner
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:05:00 -
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Well if you are getting 5% less minerals per batch, why not up your prices by 5%. The new fractional prcing on sale orders should allow it.
As of now you are still there with the best, the only downside is that to stay there, you will have to spend money and time on the new skills.
But when you do get there, you should be able to recoup your money, cause not every uber refiner will bother.
I should have just quoted this in the first place. Good call.
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Jelerak
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:12:00 -
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Yes, I plan to do just that: I will become the galaxy's single best refiner.
And I'll enjoy role-playing it, too ...
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Slave Miner
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:28:00 -
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Another point would be that becoming the best fighter takes about as long as it takes to become the best miner, producer, and refiner, and even then you aren't garenteed to be the best.
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Artean
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Artean on 19/12/2003 10:48:03
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Another point would be that becoming the best fighter takes about as long as it takes to become the best miner, producer, and refiner, and even then you aren't garenteed to be the best.
Hmm sounds like u underestimate the deep tactics of refining. 
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Xailia
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:58:00 -
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They added more refining skills you know... One for each ore type. 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:38:00 -
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relative to everyone else, you are at the same level you were yesterday. ie. still way, way above what someone without RE could manage.
now, if you are really serious about your refining, you will have to put the extra effort in.
3 weeks training does not a specialist make.
I'm sure anyone who is actually serious about this sort of stuff welcomes the change. It's just the people who ran out of other skills, and added refeff as an afterthought that don't 'get it'.
And if - Ship skills/Combat/or any other area you have concentrated on acheiving level 5 at were to be hit by the same "over six months to get back to where you were"- I'm sure at least 'you' would have the same outlook.
Unfortunately many wouldn't.
Unfortunately, the ³ber spawns and travel nerf have done this.
You will not find me complaining tho (well, maybe abit over the AB nerf since i travel alot in no-station land).
Everyone in the same profession as myself was hit equally hard, so im not worried at all.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:40:00 -
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Yes, I plan to do just that: I will become the galaxy's single best refiner.
And I'll enjoy role-playing it, too ...
hear hear.
You are a most valuable player to this game.
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Slave Miner
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Posted - 2003.12.20 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Artean on 19/12/2003 10:48:03
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Another point would be that becoming the best fighter takes about as long as it takes to become the best miner, producer, and refiner, and even then you aren't garenteed to be the best.
Hmm sounds like u underestimate the deep tactics of refining.
Teach me master how i can reprocess a single unit of veldspar into 300 tritanium, i am but a lowly slave :D
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Hellmar
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Posted - 2003.12.20 14:56:00 -
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Raise your standing toward the corporation owning the station you are refining at to reduce the we take.
With the new specialised skills and good standing you can get more yield that you had before.
Also when the quality of equipment at the stations starts to degrade you can strain the specialized refining skills to counter that.
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Sui Sidal
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Posted - 2003.12.20 16:40:00 -
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Ah yes...my TransStella standing suxs
:)
I'll give it a pop
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Medium Mobile Warp Disruptor - ME10 - PE 8
Small Shield Extender II
Energized Reflective Membrane II
Mega Beam Laser II - (BPO is N O T for sale) |
Xhanserbal
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Posted - 2003.12.20 22:23:00 -
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OMG, how can someone moan about having to learn more refinery skills. To be honest i think this is a excellent idea from ccp to bring in all these additional refining skills. I'm a miner and refine my own ore and have had these skills maxed out for a few months and have been waiting for something like this.
In a way miners have had it easy for a long time only having 4-5 skills to train to be uber at their trade, while combat players have had to learn a whole heap to get anywhere.
So what we lose a % of our refining skills now and have to trade somemore. Go out and make some corporations happy and your soon get that % back and also have skills that will make u very popular when the ark and bis start roling in.
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