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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 17/12/2003 16:27:50
The MWD/Afterburner nerfs I can just about live with, but there needs to be some changes to the industrials.
I spent 26 DAYS training Galantee Industrial Lv4 to Lv5. TWENTY SIX DAYS! I'm sure you can appreciate that ammount of dedication.
Now all of a sudden the Minimatar Mammoth is now literally as good as the Iteron MKV. Is that right?? Seriously, because I feel cheated here.
I kindly ask you to give me my 26 days of skill training back or a Iteron V worth 26 days of training.
The rest of castor is fine, I have no problems with it, but you've got to set the MKV apart from the rest of the indies. Things have to be proportional according to how much time and effort you put into them.
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 17/12/2003 16:33:08
It isn't as good.
Stop whining.
Also, lol @ spending a month to fly an indy.
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 17/12/2003 16:27:50
The MWD/Afterburner nerfs I can just about live with, but there needs to be some changes to the industrials.
I spent 26 DAYS training Galantee Industrial Lv4 to Lv5. TWENTY SIX DAYS! I'm sure you can appreciate that ammount of dedication.
Now all of a sudden the Minimatar Mammoth is now literally as good as the Iteron MKV. Is that right?? Seriously, because I feel cheated here.
I kindly ask you to give me my 26 days of skill training back or a Iteron V worth 26 days of training.
The rest of castor is fine, I have no problems with it, but you've got to set the MKV apart from the rest of the indies. Things have to be proportional according to how much time and effort you put into them.
Who cares it took me 31 days but I am not about to moan about it. Accept them as the small and insignificant changes that really don't affect you that much.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:48:00 -
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Well of course it affects me. If I had know that I would spend month training for a ship only for it to be made near equivelent to something that takes a fraction of the time to train for I would happily have stuck to my badger II and never have bothered.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:49:00 -
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Not having checked the details - are you sure that you've taken into account the improvements to the Toblerone Mk.V when you compare it to the new improved Mammoth? I'm told the Iteron now carries 6,000 cargo before expanders - over 20,000 if you fit local hulls to it. Does that mean it's still better than the Mammoth is?
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:51:00 -
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Iteron V
Structure : 950
Capacity : 6000
Mass : 11750000
Max Velocity : 110 m/sec
Armor : 875
Shield : 300
Capacitor : 600
Cpu : 850
Powergrid : 85
Lowslots : 5
Medslots : 5
Hislots : 2
5% Bonus to Cargo per level, 5% Bonus to Velocity per level.
Mammoth
Structure : 750
Capacity : 5625
Mass : 12500000
Max Velocity : 110 m/sec
Armor : 700
Shield : 250
Capacitor : 450
Cpu : 750
Powergrid : 80
Lowslots : 4
Medslots : 5
Hislots : 2
5% Bonus to Cargo per level, 5% Bonus to Velocity per level.
Seems to me that the Gallente Iteron V is far superior to the Mammoth in every aspect.
Ok? I dont think I need say more...
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:53:00 -
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Well of course it affects me. If I had know that I would spend month training for a ship only for it to be made near equivelent to something that takes a fraction of the time to train for I would happily have stuck to my badger II and never have bothered.
So what have you lost?
And I am sure they are still better than any other Indy.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.17 16:59:00 -
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Its not about whether its better, any fool can see it's statistically only a little bit better.
It's how much better it is compared to training time sacrificed is what im annoyed about.
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:02:00 -
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Mk5 Iteron cargo after 5% per level bonus = 7500 cargo and thats before adding expanders.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:14:00 -
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Not being an indy user myself it dont bother me, but for a skill to take nearly a month only to be fractionally better, I know which indy I'd go for if I was to start training for em.. Mammoth due to the fact it takes what, a week at most to do?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:16:00 -
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"It's how much better it is compared to training time sacrificed is what im annoyed about."
Well, it's not like training nearly all other --sometimes even more time consuming-- skills from lvl.4 to lvl.5 gives you more than 5% of improvement, either... o.o;
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cball
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 17/12/2003 16:27:50
The MWD/Afterburner nerfs I can just about live with, but there needs to be some changes to the industrials.
I spent 26 DAYS training Galantee Industrial Lv4 to Lv5. TWENTY SIX DAYS! I'm sure you can appreciate that ammount of dedication.
Now all of a sudden the Minimatar Mammoth is now literally as good as the Iteron MKV. Is that right?? Seriously, because I feel cheated here.
I kindly ask you to give me my 26 days of skill training back or a Iteron V worth 26 days of training.
The rest of castor is fine, I have no problems with it, but you've got to set the MKV apart from the rest of the indies. Things have to be proportional according to how much time and effort you put into them.
how about a cookie instead...
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:26:00 -
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Now all of a sudden the Minimatar Mammoth is now literally as good as the Iteron MKV. Is that right?? Seriously, because I feel cheated here.
I kindly ask you to give me my 26 days of skill training back or a Iteron V worth 26 days of training.
The rest of castor is fine, I have no problems with it, but you've got to set the MKV apart from the rest of the indies. Things have to be proportional according to how much time and effort you put into them.
Hey Gan Ning --- nice to see ya again  Always love fellow Romance of the 3 Kingdoms fans. Anyway, what I wanted to say is that the mammoth was very much underpowered compared to other indies. It is pretty much balanced now IMO.
Like a previous poster said, the mk5 is superior in every category. And hey, wasn't your training worth it when you made 76,000,000 isk in one day workin for me? 
Too bad you went to the Light. Come join BM-C!!! I miss ya!
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:30:00 -
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Gan Ning.. even when Mammoth is trained to level 5, the Iteron STILL far exceeds it in EVERY single aspect.
Any fool can see that.
Good job to CCP/Tomb seems to have done a great job here on balancing.
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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2003.12.17 17:53:00 -
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Ah c'mon the guy is right. I REFUSED to spend the time training Iteron V, but for those that did the weeks to takes to train a rank 4 skill to lvl five shouls give you something more than an extra low slot, 5 extra powergrid and marginally more amour etc.
It should have an extra 5 grid, another mid slot and more base cargo. It's the uuber indy in the game. That should be obvious.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.12.17 18:04:00 -
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There are bigger issues than balancing with this patch................ 
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Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:12:00 -
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Stepping...
"only" an extra low slot? LOL. That is THOUSANDS of m3 worth of cargo with the right expanders. If you fit 27% expanders you can undoubtedly get about 10,000 more m3 cargo capacity than a mammoth. Give me a break ... Extra low slot on top of being better in EVERY category.
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Draximus Prime
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:15:00 -
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What about people who trained their particular race indy to level 5, they all go about the same ~30 days of training, and they get at the end, a ship which is not as good in a big way, as the Iteron.
Damn open your eyes.
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Phoibos
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:17:00 -
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Bah. stop whining :) It is quite a lot better. The next time you spend time super training i recommend that you consider this situation. Parts of the game are always changing with patches, so be prepared to get the up hand or the low hand once in a while.
/Phoibos
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Li ShangYin
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Posted - 2003.12.17 23:51:00 -
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From what I can see the problem right now isn't what you can carry with your indy but whether you can survive with it out there. How fast can you make her is what is really intresting, and indeed it appears indy's are slower now, while the gate ranges generally have also changed to favor the campers....
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BillyDigo
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Posted - 2003.12.18 00:21:00 -
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Maybe TomB should have realised that you can only stare at an Iteron for so long without getting freudian size issues.
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Masako
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Posted - 2003.12.18 01:29:00 -
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Maybe TomB should have realised that you can only stare at an Iteron for so long without getting freudian size issues.
Shame on you Billy Dingo!
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